Does Ford Australia Have Any Plans Ford A V6 Engine?

[boss-290]

It will be a very good addition to Ford.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by boss-290

It will be a very good addition to Ford.

The only V6 is in the Courier and I think the Escape. As for the Falcon the I6 will be here for long time as Ford got a grant last year from the government to get the emissions down to the next standard by 2010. Besides I'd rather have a I6 than a V6.

[Zedjay]

me too V6 is for FWD

[chief]

Originally Posted by Zedjay

me too V6 is for FWD

And Commodores

As mentioned Ford Aus has the V6 (its imported isn't?) for the Escape and Courier.

[zetec]

The I6 is a smooth, torquey, great sounding and very well developed engine. V6 is only for cars that need compact space or have a shorter engine bay, I would take an inline 6 anyday over a V6. BMW inline sixes (automotive Porn), Nissan inline sixes (every skyline - Porn) and Falcon DOHC units (I've got wood)... yum yum yum.

There is not another 6 cylinder engine in the world I'd rather see in the Falcon than the inline 6 that's currently there. Alloytec? No thanks, I already have a Vacuum Cleaner.

[MITCHAY]

What about the Nissan VQ35DE-The 350Z engine. That's a V6 and they go alright.

[boss-290]

V6's have more power than a I6. Hence why the Commy's are thrashing us

[Perana]

How did you come to that conclusion

BMW 3.2L I6 = 252kw... owns EVERY N/A V6 on the roads....

[Casper]

Originally Posted by boss-290

V6's have more power than a I6. Hence why the Commy's are thrashing us

you dont have much of a grasp of gearing do you?

[MITCHAY]

There's more to a car than the engine. Weight plays a part in it all.

[FPV]

The commodore V6 has 190kw and 335nm, the BF has 190kw and 383nm. How is the I6 underpowered? The key to the I6 is the amount of torque, with the 4 speed auto, i think it was only behind the alloytec/5 speed auto by around .2 to .3 of a second. And that was with the barra 182. The barra 190 was .2 or so quicker with the 6 speed auto compared to the sv6 while also weighing heavier. I think the I6 has plenty of power up its belt, theres no point in unleashing more power then needed against compeititors when these engines go into family sedans.

[boss-290]

I always be a Ford Man anyway because the car itself is the best looking sedan. Though the VX Commodore is good too.

But Ford all the way! Thanks for your comments and answers guys.

Cheers

[XplosiveR6]

i think you need to do some research Boss-290 before you listen to your holden mates talk crap. the ford I6 is a ten times better engine then the V6 in a VX lol, more powerful, way more torque, and much smoother. how is a v6 better again?

[Ryan]

Im a I6 man thats why I only really like Older Commodores (VB-VL), alot of V6s make me cringe.

I love the Ford I6s, they sound awesome with a good exhaust.

As far as a V6 for the Falcon NO thanks, they've never had one and should never have one.

I think it would be so awesome if Holden got a hold of some BMW I6s and put them into Commodores.

[The Taipan]

OK, let's not totally write-off the V6 engine yet... it does offer some advantages to the I6 despite its obvious compromises. Space efficiency and weight distribution, enables the engine to fit lower and shorter (further back) in the engine bay... it also doesn't allow the transfer of impact energy to cross a crumple zone.

As for power, refinement, torque, sound, and quality for purpose, the I6 does offer many advantages through which the V6 needs some engineering to compete with.

Its flawed, but so is the I6 in many applications. For the family sedan, I believe the I6 is the better format, when it comes to the vehicles offered attached to the (both) adequate engines, I believe the blue product is by far the better, the fact that it has a nicer engine is a bonus to me...

SL

[jmc-007]

I like the I6 through and through, I have just spent a week with an alloytec v6 175kw commodore and i missed the noise, power and economy of the falcon engine.

If i was given the choice, I would choose the barra 6 over the alloytec v6

[Redrum]

The Holden V6, 175kw variant is an absolute joke, bugger all torque and has terrible torque curve. Give me an inline 6 anyday!!!

[svo347]

Originally Posted by EF_Dave

i think you need to do some research Boss-290 before you listen to your holden mates talk crap. the ford I6 is a ten times better engine then the V6 in a VX lol, more powerful, way more torque, and much smoother. how is a v6 better again?

According to his post before yours, he actually took the criticism very well, you posted what 1/2 hr later and gave him that
out:

[gmhdriver]

Originally Posted by Redrum

The Holden V6, 175kw variant is an absolute joke, bugger all torque and has terrible torque curve. Give me an inline 6 anyday!!!

That's a terribly inaccurate description you're giving there, but whatever floats your boat.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by gmhdriver

That's a terribly inaccurate description you're giving there, but whatever floats your boat.

Well I just happen to drive VZ's as work cars. My driving includes speeds well in excess of 100kmph and getting their asap. Not to mention handling, braking etc. The V6 in the VY was a better motor than the new V6 in the VZ imo. I have driven well over 15 different VZ execs and crewmans and all the same, lamo!!

[Falcon Freak]

Originally Posted by boss-290

It will be a very good addition to Ford.

I am happy to say that Ford will keep the inline six for some time yet. And if Ford were to move from an I6 to a V6 then (in my opinion) it would be the end of local engine production in Geelong. All the equipment is set up for manufacturing I6 engines. A lot of new equipment would be required for a V6 engine. With volumes the way they are Ford couldn't justify these costs and would more than likely import an V6 engine if they were to decide to change to a V6 engine.

Therefore Ford will keep building and refining the I6 as long as it can meet cost, emission, economy and performance targets. Also it is not a Falcon if it does not have a straight six under the bonnet.

Thankfully, the Alloytech didn't turn out to be the gun engine it promised on paper otherwise Ford's I6 engine would be in trouble.

FF

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

I am happy to say that Ford will keep the inline six for some time yet. And if Ford were to move from an I6 to a V6 then (in my opinion) it would be the end of local engine production in Geelong. All the equipment is set up for manufacturing I6 engines. A lot of new equipment would be required for a V6 engine. With volumes the way they are Ford couldn't justify these costs and would more than likely import an V6 engine if they were to decide to change to a V6 engine.

Therefore Ford will keep building and refining the I6 as long as it can meet cost, emission, economy and performance targets. Also it is not a Falcon if it does not have a straight six under the bonnet.

Thankfully, the Alloytech didn't turn out to be the gun engine it promised on paper otherwise Ford's I6 engine would be in trouble.

FF

And as all know the next Ford (Orion), is all about weight loss. The I6 will run with plastic plenums, intakes manifolds etc. The I6 just keeps getting better. If it ain't broke, why fix it?

[Falcon Freak]

Originally Posted by Redrum

And as all know the next Ford (Orion), is all about weight loss. The I6 will run with plastic plenums, intakes manifolds etc. The I6 just keeps getting better. If it ain't broke, why fix it?

Where did you obtain such confidential information?

FF

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

Where did you obtain such confidential information?

FF

It ain't what you know........

[gmhdriver]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Well I just happen to drive VZ's as work cars. My driving includes speeds well in excess of 100kmph and getting their asap. Not to mention handling, braking etc. The V6 in the VY was a better motor than the new V6 in the VZ imo. I have driven well over 15 different VZ execs and crewmans and all the same, lamo!!

From that description it sounds like you're a cop??


I guess some people will never be satisfied. When the VN first came out it was heavily critisized for having excessive throttle response from take off.. So Holden has revised this by dialling out the low down torque and placing it further up in the rev range so people wouldn't have traction problems.... and what happens? People start complaining about the lack of low down torque.
With the ecotec, one of it's main critisisms was that in was breathless in the upper rev range. The alloytec has addressed these issues and revs cleanly up to 6800rpm...what happens? People find something else to ИИИИИ about.

I have driven both 175 and 190 Alloytecs extensively and IMO they do the job perfectly well and I certainly don't have any issues with them which are worth complaining about. It seems to me that some people like to find things to pick on and whinge about just for the hell of it, probably only due to the badge the car wears.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by gmhdriver

From that description it sounds like you're a cop??


I guess some people will never be satisfied. When the VN first came out it was heavily critisized for having excessive throttle response from take off.. So Holden has revised this by dialling out the low down torque and placing it further up in the rev range so people wouldn't have traction problems.... and what happens? People start complaining about the lack of low down torque.
With the ecotec, one of it's main critisisms was that in was breathless in the upper rev range. The alloytec has addressed these issues and revs cleanly up to 6800rpm...what happens? People find something else to ИИИИИ about.

I have driven both 175 and 190 Alloytecs extensively and IMO they do the job perfectly well and I certainly don't have any issues with them which are worth complaining about. It seems to me that some people like to find things to pick on and whinge about just for the hell of it, probably only due to the badge the car wears.

I am not looking just to pick faults in cars or engines, but this is a big problem imo. I have driven much heavier vehicles with the Ford I6 and they go better. The lack of torque exists between 3000 and 4000 rpm in the 175kw V6 and it feels like I could get out and push it faster, tis very painful. Maybe the 190kw engine is better, we don't get them. This is not a discussion about the badge, but what sits under the bonnet.

[347Stroker]

Originally Posted by Redrum

I am not looking just to pick faults in cars or engines, but this is a big problem imo. I have driven much heavier vehicles with the Ford I6 and they go better. The lack of torque exists between 3000 and 4000 rpm in the 175kw V6 and it feels like I could get out and push it faster, tis very painful. Maybe the 190kw engine is better, we don't get them. This is not a discussion about the badge, but what sits under the bonnet.

I have been in Greenmachines 190kw Crewman, and besides not having the guts to pull a sailor off your sister, it drinks like a wharfie on a friday. Seriously, this thing is utterly woeful. A toyota corolla will beat it off the lights.....There is nothing down low at all, then when it feels like having a go, it falls flat again, then goes again, all with a ton of NVH and harshness.

[Biggoggs]

Originally Posted by zetec

The I6 is a smooth, torquey, great sounding and very well developed engine. V6 is only for cars that need compact space or have a shorter engine bay, I would take an inline 6 anyday over a V6. BMW inline sixes (automotive Porn), Nissan inline sixes (every skyline - Porn) and Falcon DOHC units (I've got wood)... yum yum yum.

Exactly. I made a thread in the engine section of the forum a while back, and inline sixes are one of the best configurations you can have.
btw, you missed the inline six from the Toyota Supra, I've heard they can easy push 1000hp+ :togo:

Inline-6 is not the only configuration can deliver near perfect refinement, but it is the most compact one among them. All boxer engines are perfectly balanced, but they are two wide and require duplicate of blocks, heads and valve gears. V12 engines also achieve perfect balance, but obviously out of the reach of most mass production cars. Automotive engineers knew that long ago, that’s why you can see most of the best classic engines were inline-6, such as Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost, Bentley Speed Six, Mercedes SSK, many Bugattis, Jaguar XK-series and BMW’s various models.

I6 versus V6

As space efficiency becomes more and more important, most car makers favour V6. The most influential V6 was perhaps Alfa Romeo’s 2.5-litre 60° V6 used in the GTV6. It established a reputation for V6 that it can be compact, powerful and smooth. An equivalent inline-6 would have never fit the small and sloping engine compartment of that car. Compare the shape of BMW with the Alfa and you’ll know the packaging advantage of V6s.
Straight-six engines are nearly impossible to be used in front-wheel drive cars as well. Even a car as wide as Volvo S80 has to introduce the world’s shortest gearbox in order to make space for the 2.9-litre straight-six mounted transversely in the engine compartment.
Longitudinal mounted inline-6 doesn’t have such problems, but it engages too much space in north-south direction, thus engage some space which would have contributed to ИИИИpit room.

However, BMW is still loyal to inline-6 engines. Ultimately, inline-6 engine is more efficient yet smoother. V6 has more energy loss because it duplicates valve gears and camshafts (which increase frictional loss), while the use of 2 cylinder banks leads to more heat loss. In terms of production cost, although V6 has 3 fewer main bearings, it has more valve gears - which is getting more and more costly these days, with the introduction of twin-cam, hydraulic tappets / finger follower and variable valve timing. Inline-6 is going to be cheaper than equivalent V6.

http://www.autozine.org/technical_sc...ne/smooth3.htm

I've found the I6 also has an advantage in maintainance or modification, and ideal for forced induction. I might also add the Ford I6 seems better than other I6's, I was with someone who removed the head of an I6 R31 Skyline today (RB30E), and it was much more of a task than the Falcon's was. It was on a bit of a slant, too.

[divine_afg]

from experience and imo ford i6 engine is far better then holdens.....
driving my old mans vs compared to my beloved ef and now au the i6 feels lots smoother, refines and with power that you can feel all the way to red line...
some time ago i also test drove VT SS v8 for a mate and from what i and my mates noticed was that even gm v8 couldnt be anybetter and as far as the feel for power after all the driving it still felt like it wasnt a v8 at all the car had 48000k's....
and funny thing was i said to the dealer mate if you drive this car and my car which was back then my ef you would feel more power he said nah no way .. when he actually did try it ........... he goes mate your kiddin me your cars v8 hahahahaha

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by divine_afg

some time ago i also test drove VT SS v8 for a mate and from what i and my mates noticed was that even gm v8 couldnt be anybetter and as far as the feel for power after all the driving it still felt like it wasnt a v8 at all the car had 48000k's....

You want to have a laugh goto the commo forum and the 5L boys complian about being beaten by stock falcons.

I regulary drive an VXII ecotec as well as the BA and I would take the I6 anyday. The VX seems to struggle compared to my car. I havent driven an Alloytec so I cant compare. But IMO I believe Ford make better 6 cylender motors than Holden but Holden have the edge over Ford in the V8's (this is my opionion and from my experiance).