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Virtuous Bogan (TM)
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Hey All,
Just wondering howmany people here own a Motor Bike? The reason I am thinking of buying one is that uni is only a 5-10 minute drive away and it would make sense (to me anyway) to get a bike for the monday-friday stuff, and then on the weekend I would have my car. I was wondering, other than the purchase of the bike, what the costs are? Stuff like rego, licence, servicing, clothes/helmet etc etc, I just want an idea of what I might get myself into. I would also get a bonus of saving ~$15 a week on parking at uni. The only downside I can see is winter, that would be a bugger and I guess I would only ride it if weather permitted. Just really curious, all opinions welcome!
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ask Kaytonk what it feels like to not walk after riding your bike at 60 clicks into a grandad that is uncertain of the meaning of the word "STOP". I personally like motorbikes, I'm just not a fan of being a crumple zone.
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Been there, done that, have the scars to prove it.
Do it while you're young - chicks dig scars!
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I6 LICKS
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been there, done that, I'm still young and lucky to be alive. The scars are pretty cool though! I love bikes but at the moment I can't convince myself to get on another one, I still concider it every now and then, but having been in an accident kinda changes your opinion a lot! I also recently had a mate who died on the GOR on his bike.
Having said that, I have family members that have been riding all thier lives, and are now old and never saw the tarmac. Have you done much riding before? If not, don't even think about learning in a built up areas, traffic is unpredictable. Get out to the county, get a dirt bike, have some stacks and learn some skills before you tackle the traffic. |
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Totally agree with Harpsta...
read this too...: http://bogandiaries.blogspot.com/200...wo-wheels.html Not trying to put you off, just opening your eyes.
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Windsor Man!
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Virtuous Bogan (TM)
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um about 6 years ago I used to ride like twice a month...at a mates house, I was no demon but I could keep it up.
Granted I have little experience, but is it like riding a pushy, once you learn you keep it? I live in Geelong, and where I intend to do most of the riding is not through the centre, its in Belmont to Deakin.
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Yeah, harpsta nailed it in one. If you really want to persist then I'd recommend buying a dirt bike that can be fully registered, and starting off with a few trips to the country. I can help you out with that ;)
Costs wise..... Licence/Training $210, gear $500 min, maintenance (more $$$'s then you would imagine), and initial outlay..... depends on the bike you go for. You'll surpass $4k before you've started. Also keep in mind 250cc is the limit on your L's (a good thing anyway).
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Yeah, rego'd dirt bike works well for learning - the offroad experience is invaluable.
There's another school of thought that says you should get a CB250 or a 250cc Yamaharley Virago, because they're low and slow and easy to handle and you won't drop them at traffic lights if you've got short legs like me and can't handle a fullsize dirtbike. Ahem.
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Virtuous Bogan (TM)
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lol at dropping the bike at the lights, I dont think I have done anything like that before.
Hmm...looks like it could be a little more costly than I first thought. Its something I have always wanted to try, something about it that I cant put my finger on. 250cc is heaps, its just transport really so it doesn't phase me. The bikes in the $3000-4000 range, are they POS or half decent?
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Well it was oily and the bike was top heavy and I had leather soled shoes and the chick in the Barina laughed at me and it was a generally very disturbing experience. Especially given it was a mate's brand new WR650 :(
Plenty of CBR/CB road bikes out there for that sort of money, VFR250's etc... You'd be hard pressed getting a XR250 chook chaser for that kind of money, from what i recall... 250's hold their value really well because everyone needs to buy one to start with - a bit of a captive market. *note: that could all be bollocks... It's been at least 4 years since I last looked at bike prices. The option exists to get your 250 licence and go out the next week and buy a 750 and hope you don't get caught. Hundreds and hundreds of people do this.
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Rego is $360 odd. I just got my renewal letter the other day. I just wear a good jacket, gloves and a helmet when I ride. The jacket $400 and is a fabric one. The helmet was $350 IIRC and the gloves I stole off a mate :P They are usually $100 + Ive had 1 stack where a car cut me off of maroondah hwy and when I did a headcheck so I could go around she slammed on her brakes. I clipped the side of her car and went down the road at 80km/hr. I had a sore shoulder, hip and thumb for a while along with a badly grazed knee. I was wearing sturdy jeans and they didnt rip. Quote:
If your careful you will be okay, its the others you have to watch out for. Just always be aware and try not to be in a hurry everytime you ride and you will be sweet. I ride 280 kms a week and fill up usually once a week for around $15. Its much cheaper than getting the train in to work plus you dont have to wait for anyone or put up sitting next to people with BO. Servicing is just like the car. Change the oil, filter, spark plugs and your away. They cost the same as car bits. You have to change the chain and sprockets when they wear out which is around $220 all up for my bike. Ive only done it once cos the chain that came with the bike was rusted. Get a bike without fairings as they are painful on the wallet to replace. When I crashed I had an earthing issue for a few weeks that I had to get someone else to fix but other than that the bike is ultra reliable and cheap!
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PS. I got my bike on the road for $2200.
If your going to do a lot of K's on the freeway I wouldnt go a dirt bike. ![]()
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Virtuous Bogan (TM)
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ah dirt bike dont do anything for me...but thats alot of good info thanks Dan!
And that bike looks awesome! That would be exactly like something I would want. Actually, this guy at work is selling a Suzuki RGV 250, with 14,800kms for $3600ono. Its looks similar to that CBR. Hmm I am warming up to the idea! I literally only want to ride say 20k's each day, but itsthat stop start crap that ends up costing me heaps in my car (car might be getting swap next year anyway). Man my mum and gf is going to be ****ed...lol..maybe Ill do a deal, if the gf stops smoking I wont get a bike.
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People call RGV's random grenade vehicles.
They are a 2 stroke, they need more maintenance. I wouldnt want one for a daily. You have to add oil to the petrol tank regulary, they stink etc. They are great fun as a dirt bike tho! I didnt tell my parents. I bought it, stashed it at a mates house until we got it roadworthy then I registered it and bought it home, they were ****ed but they get over it.
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Statistically, smoking is more dangerous than riding a bike. There's your justification right there!
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See 2 stroke/4 stroke means little to me at the moment, thats how poor my knowledge is. Ill have to do some research before getting t ahead of myself I guess. If I recall Dan, did you buy that bike with some issue and then fix it up? So that $2200 was with the repairs done?
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Yea costs for a motorcycle are more than most people realize. They're pretty efficient though, but if you hang it like Rossi, expect to get 10L+ p/100km out of a 250, more with a larger bike
![]() 2 stroke motorcycles sound like brushcutters and are followed by a plume of black smoke, but you get more power from it than a similar capacity 4-stroke. Old 250's are usually two-cylinders(?) and sound like farts, newer ones four-cylinders and sound like electric mixers. You can park bikes anywhere, and traffic isn't a problem, but for 5-10min trips, you might be better off with a bicycle ![]() |
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Yep I bought it with a engine in bits for $1000, I put an engine in it for $800 and a few hours work, a battery for $70, then registered it. 2 strokes give more power for the same capacity but are said to be more unreliable and in need of maintenance more often. The petrol and oil is mixed together and travels around the cylinders to cool/lubricate the engine. A valve will open allowing the mixture to enter the compression chamber and it ignites and whatever doesnt ignite goes out the exhaust. Oil doesnt ignite that well so it spews out the exhaust and smells like blowby.
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hehehe i been looking at bikes lately...dad and mum are a bit dubious lol...
checked out a yamaha zeal 250 with 10,000.....$5grand Aprilla 250...not sure how many k's...think was $7 odd thousand and the one i really want...yamaha TR250.....10 thousand k's...2 stroke |
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the bigest hurdle is always the girlfriend..... I tried to convince my ex to get one but man she just wouldnt budge, but now she is out of the picture.... oh ive been told never get less than a 250 otherwise if there is a strong headwind you wont move!!!!
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i guess im lucky my girlfriend wants to get one....shes really keen on learning to ride
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I have been riding road bikes for 11 years, the only reason i am still here is luck, cars try to kill you every day, bikes are safe enough, it's the car drivers that don't look at intersections or use mirrors that will bring you unstuck, i only ride weekends, i don't think i could ever commute peak traffic on a bike, it's just to risky.
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Firstly note my experience is with dirt bikes, but the same principles apply. As far as reliablitity and maintenance goes between 2 / 4 stroke, they are essentially equal over the long-term. A 2-stroke will get top-end rebuilds of the motor constantly (piston, rings, gaskets) and be considered maintenance, and will require a complete rebuild about as regularly as a 4-stroke. 2-strokes are far cheaper to rebuild due to their simplicity. A 4-stroke will provide a long stretch of only basic maintence including only plugs, etc., but when it comes time to rebuild, it will need the works and costs a LOT more then a 2-stroke. I hope to buy a roadie soon, but I need to save and the car seems to stop me from that ![]()
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i'd recommend ebay mate for a bike
i'd be getting a cheap 250 really if its just for uni etc and not a every day use type vehicle then i'd get a cheap one 1)if you come a gutsa its just not as bad as coming off a 4-5k bike 2)its doing the same job you cant go over the speed limit and they do the same thing really.. i've come a gutsa off every bike i've ridden not through lack of knowledge just through pushing to hard to quickly with learning a new bike.. i just bought me a TZR250 2 stroke yamahe got it locally but off ebay great first bike and good learners bike. below is my bike bought it yesterday |
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There are two types of motorcycle riders.
1)The ones who have fallen off, and 2)The ones who are gonna fall off. I am the one that fits in the first catagory. Great fun though. I had a dirt bike. Had some pretty big stacks, but with the right riding gear, you can protect yourself pretty well.
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Dirt bike stacks shouldnt count :P
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Road bikes???? nah,
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If its only a 5 -10 minute drive in a car how many K's is it? Might be better off with a pushy or something.
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