k code zd 4 speed

[gbw]

hi my name is gary i live south of perth and new to ford forum.
i have just purchased a shed full of cars.over 30 years of collection .amongst them are some zc & zd fairlanes.2 are k code one is a factory 4 speed toploader car unfortunately it the poorest condition of all the cars.i have been a ford man all my life an have never seen a 4 speed zd. can any body help me with production numbers ore any info on it.i will post photos of all cars next weekend as we get them out of there.
thank you gary

[HO 3]

Gary is it a 4v Windsor powered, or Cleveland powered car?

Cheers Mick

[wodahs]

the base mode poor mans pov pac zd came manual seen the odd one around over the years the real pov pacs were 6's too

[gbw]

Originally Posted by HO 3

Gary is it a 4v Windsor powered, or Cleveland powered car?

Cheers Mick

hi mick no clevo

[mik]

Originally Posted by wodahs

the base mode poor mans pov pac zd came manual seen the odd one around over the years the real pov pacs were 6's too

Yes did see the odd 6 banger lane back in the day , haven't seen one for many years .

[mik]

Originally Posted by gbw

hi my name is gary i live south of perth and new to ford forum.
i have just purchased a shed full of cars.over 30 years of collection .amongst them are some zc & zd fairlanes.2 are k code one is a factory 4 speed toploader car unfortunately it the poorest condition of all the cars.i have been a ford man all my life an have never seen a 4 speed zd. can any body help me with production numbers ore any info on it.i will post photos of all cars next weekend as we get them out of there.
thank you gary

Welcome Gary , look forward to seeing your collection mate.

[FERG_51]

Lucky you, also looking forward to pics.

[gcg2503]

There was a thread on here a while back where someone had a ZC T code 351W toploader car

[HO 3]

Originally Posted by gcg2503

There was a thread on here a while back where someone had a ZC T code 351W toploader car

Might be wrong but I read that as 4 speed, K code, ZD?.............thought Clevo power started appearing in late ZCs


Cheers Mick

[Bearman]

I have heard of manual 6 cyl povo fairlanes but not factory built 4 speed 351's. Special order perhaps?

Not unknown for oddball specifications and options to come off the line back in those halcyon days where you could custom order cars more to your taste.

[gcg2503]

Originally Posted by HO 3

Might be wrong but I read that as 4 speed, K code, ZD?.............thought Clevo power started appearing in late ZCs


Cheers Mick

I did read if the same way you did!

Just saying that it IS VERY POSSIBLE to have a toploader in a Fairlane ☺

[wodahs]

my understanding was that the clevelands in the fairlane and falcons xw-xy zc-zd were not so much special (but could be ordered) but more hit and miss as they were introducing the cleveland over these years and phasing out the windsor but things like the gt's and special orders got the priority on the motor others were more of luck

probably a silly question and more out of curiosity does the motor number match the one on the plate or has it at some time been changed

[Pedro]

Originally Posted by Bearman

I have heard of manual 6 cyl povo fairlanes but not factory built 4 speed 351's. Special order perhaps?

Not unknown for oddball specifications and options to come off the line back in those halcyon days where you could custom order cars more to your taste.

I'm not aware of them either, but that's not to say they weren't available.
Back in the 70's I owned a ZB 289, followed by a loaded ZD 351 auto, blue with white vinyl roof - a stunning car. Later, I also had a ZF 302 and at some time another ZD 302. I loved my Fairlanes.

[HO 3]

Probably saying something pretty dumb here.............but was factory 302W in ZD still Y code or did it change to K code before the introduction of 302C?

Cheers Mick

[4stanger]

Originally Posted by Bearman

I have heard of manual 6 cyl povo fairlanes but not factory built 4 speed 351's. Special order perhaps?

Not unknown for oddball specifications and options to come off the line back in those halcyon days where you could custom order cars more to your taste.

Found one.
http://www.fordforums.com.au/photos/...php?photo=3956
ZC in the brochure section, does this count?

[gcg2503]

Originally Posted by HO 3

Probably saying something pretty dumb here.............but was factory 302W in ZD still Y code or did it change to K code before the introduction of 302C?

Cheers Mick

All ZD Fairlanes were 302W I thought

A mate had a late 1971 ZD Electric Blue 302W and it was a Y code

[HO 3]

Originally Posted by gcg2503

All ZD Fairlanes were 302W I thought

A mate had a late 1971 ZD Electric Blue 302W and it was a Y code

351c was also used in ZD.............but just wondering if there was a late change in the ZD from Y to K for 302w. Looks like you have answered that dumb question though!............it would be good if OP can chime in and tell us what donk is in it.

Cheers Mick

[Bearman]

Originally Posted by Arnaldo

Found one.
http://www.fordforums.com.au/photos/...php?photo=3956
ZC in the brochure section, does this count?

I guess it does, being an actual advertised option there would have to be a few out there???

I was under the impression that 4 Speed 351 was not advertised as an available option but if you asked your dealer for one it could be arranged.

[bungarra]

Originally Posted by HO 3

351c was also used in ZD.............but just wondering if there was a late change in the ZD from Y to K for 302w. Looks like you have answered that dumb question though!............it would be good if OP can chime in and tell us what donk is in it.

Cheers Mick

Clear up the misconceptions:

ZC: 302 Y Code 351 4V T code (4 speed floor shift optional) often referred to as the Gentleman's GT (Cleveland 4V in later end of production)

ZD: 302 Y Code 351 2V K Code (4 speed floor shift optional) 4V not available, although there is believed/rumoured to be 4 custom built for Ford employees with full XY GT running gear and suspension.

Gary, as a Perth ZC owner, I would love to see that ZD some time.

Base 6 Cylinder on either was fitted with 3 speed on the tree, bench seats in front, optional Auto or bucket seats.

[HO 3]

Originally Posted by bungarra

Clear up the misconceptions:

ZC: 302 Y Code 351 4V T code (4 speed floor shift optional) often referred to as the Gentleman's GT (Cleveland 4V in later end of production)

ZD: 302 Y Code 351 2V K Code (4 speed floor shift optional) 4V not available, although there is believed/rumoured to be 4 custom built for Ford employees with full XY GT running gear and suspension.

Gary, as a Perth ZC owner, I would love to see that ZD some time.

Base 6 Cylinder on either was fitted with 3 speed on the tree, bench seats in front, optional Auto or bucket seats.

Um................and what misconceptions would that be? OP has already stated K code, 4 speed, ZD, no Cleveland. Have you worked it out?

Cheers Mick

[Dr Terry]

I realise that sales brochures, on their own, are not the most reliable source of info, but the ZC one clearly shows that the 4-sp Toploader was optional behind both 302 & 351 in the 500 & Custom, as well as the 6-cyl in the Custom.

There is no mention of a 4-sp option in any ZD.

BTW, the 351 Clevo in the late ZCs, which replaced the Windsor, was it the 4V (T code) version, or the ZD (K code) 2V version ?

Dr Terry

[HO 3]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

I realise that sales brochures, on their own, are not the most reliable source of info, but the ZC one clearly shows that the 4-sp Toploader was optional behind both 302 & 351 in the 500 & Custom, as well as the 6-cyl in the Custom.

There is no mention of a 4-sp option in any ZD.

BTW, the 351 Clevo in the late ZCs, which replaced the Windsor, was it the 4V (T code) version, or the ZD (K code) 2V version ?

Dr Terry

ZD model 351C were 2V K code motors..............gbw are these some of Darren's cars you have bought?

Cheers Mick

[wodahs]

think its time , we need to see some pics .... for no other reason that just to see some pics

or your going to end up with all us that live in perth wanting to do a road trip to see them

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by HO 3

ZD model 351C were 2V K code motors..
Cheers Mick

I realise that, but what about ZC 351 clevos ?

Dr Terry

[bungarra]

Originally Posted by HO 3

Um................and what misconceptions would that be? OP has already stated K code, 4 speed, ZD, no Cleveland. Have you worked it out?

Cheers Mick

When you asked

Originally Posted by HO 3

351c was also used in ZD.............but just wondering if there was a late change in the ZD from Y to K for 302w.
Cheers Mick

Y code was used in both ZC and ZD for 302 and never any 351.

K code was only ever used for non GT spec 351W in ZC and for all ZD as they ran as did some late ZC the 351C 2V.

All 4 speed ZC 351 were GT spec and had T code for engine designation. 351 Auto's unless specified to GT motor ran K code 351.

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

I realise that, but what about ZC 351 clevos ?

Dr Terry

351C were only K code 2V in late model ZC Auto, although there was some autos rumored to have been built with the 4V GT Engine and some manuals did come with the 4V motor the rest with 2V.... It was luck of the draw or special order.

There is also the four rumoured ZC's with full GT spec drive train and suspension ex factory, one of which is reputed to have a Cleveland engine.

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by bungarra

K code was only ever used for non GT spec 351W in ZC and for all ZD as they ran as did some late ZC the 351C 2V.

Was that a typo, a non GT spec 351W in ZC ? What is that ?

Did you mean non GT spec 351C ?

Dr Terry

[HO 3]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

I realise that, but what about ZC 351 clevos ?

Dr Terry

Sorry missed that................the Clevos fitted to both late ZC and ZDs were yanky spec 2V crate motors.

Cheers Mick

[HO 3]

Originally Posted by bungarra

When you asked

Y code was used in both ZC and ZD for 302 and never any 351.

K code was only ever used for non GT spec 351W in ZC and for all ZD as they ran as did some late ZC the 351C 2V.

All 4 speed ZC 351 were GT spec and had T code for engine designation. 351 Auto's unless specified to GT motor ran K code 351.



351C were only K code 2V in late model ZC Auto, although there was some autos rumored to have been built with the 4V GT Engine and some manuals did come with the 4V motor the rest with 2V.... It was luck of the draw or special order.

There is also the four rumoured ZC's with full GT spec drive train and suspension ex factory, one of which is reputed to have a Cleveland engine.

Yeah mate we seem to be somehow busy talking this topic around in circles?............thanks for the off tangent history lesson about T code 4V 351W ZC Fairlanes but I think we have that one covered................Unless I've misread the original OP we are talking about a ZD, K code, factory 4 speed car with no Cleveland, missing or otherwise? How do your bush tracker skills go with that one? It would be a good time for the OP to chime in with any relevant info.

Cheers Mick

[bungarra]

Originally Posted by HO 3

Yeah mate we seem to be somehow busy talking this topic around in circles?............thanks for the off tangent history lesson about T code 4V 351W ZC Fairlanes but I think we have that one covered................Unless I've misread the original OP we are talking about a ZD, K code, factory 4 speed car with no Cleveland, missing or otherwise? How do your bush tracker skills go with that one? It would be a good time for the OP to chime in with any relevant info.

Cheers Mick

ZD was always K code as standard for 351 unless ordered with GT motor as special order. ZC 351W manual were generally standard T code.

Mick, you were the one that asked the question of Y and K codes on 302.

[bungarra]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Was that a typo, a non GT spec 351W in ZC ? What is that ?

Did you mean non GT spec 351C ?

Dr Terry

There was a number of 351 Windsor powered auto ZC released without T code motor due to running out of 4V engines as they prepared to change over to Cleveland motors and the last of the Windsor GT's had priority to the 4V Windsor.