Barra inline 6 confirmed till 2016

nasss92 · 12-05-2011, 12:56 AM

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/517...-for-five-more

Ford's 'Barra' inline six-cylinder petrol engine will remain an option for buyers "until at least 2016", Federal Industry Minister Kim Carr confirmed today.

nasss92 · 12-05-2011, 01:00 AM

good news for the broadmedows plant i assume... but is that suggesting the duratech v6 will replace it when the fg series gets replaced around 2016?

also curious.. will the fg II feature a more refined barra with higher peak power, torque and better economy or will it run the current 195 setup? does any have any info to shed some light on this, has ford released any statements yet or will we have to wait till october?

2011G6E · 12-05-2011, 05:10 AM

Perhaps start using the amazing 2.7 diesel from the Jaguar that Ford is accessing for the Territory...?

**Luke Plaizier** · 12-05-2011, 09:29 AM

Looks like a semi-rehash of this:

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11330253

Lukeyson

Bossxr8 · 12-05-2011, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by nasss92

good news for the broadmedows plant i assume... but is that suggesting the duratech v6 will replace it when the fg series gets replaced around 2016?

also curious.. will the fg II feature a more refined barra with higher peak power, torque and better economy or will it run the current 195 setup? does any have any info to shed some light on this, has ford released any statements yet or will we have to wait till october?

Don't expect much.

jpd80 · 12-05-2011, 05:32 PM

Ford can confirm the I-6 until 2016 but getting people to buy it is another thing.

With rising fuel costs that formerly impressive 9.9 l/100 km now looks very ordinary.
8 l/100 km is the new efficiency target, Falcon will get there is with Ecoboost or better still,
heavily promote the virtues of EcoLPI and the power of a big six that costs a pittance to run.

It's such shame that private buyers don't like buying factory LPG, that's the perfect answer
So let's Hope EcoLPI changes that short sighted consumer view....

Dr Smith · 12-05-2011, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpd80

Ford can confirm the I-6 until 2016 but getting people to buy it is another thing.

With rising fuel costs that formerly impressive 9.9 l/100 km now looks very ordinary.
8 l/100 km is the new efficiency target, Falcon will get there is with Ecoboost or better still,
heavily promote the virtues of EcoLPI and the power of a big six that costs a pittance to run.

It's such shame that private buyers don't like buying factory LPG, that's the perfect answer
So let's Hope EcoLPI changes that short sighted consumer view....

Maybe what Ford needs is a new take on the old XP durability run, except this time the drivers, one in an EcoLPI FG and the others say in a Cruze, Corolla, Mazda3 are given a $20 fuel voucher and then followed until each car runs out...which car will go further for your money.

Edit: I originally said a $50 voucher but maybe it won't need $50 to fill an EcoLPI, lol.

And maybe bring back a new version of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4T_IhTviZo

**Polyal** · 12-05-2011, 06:40 PM

They certainly need to start pulling punches.

DanielXR8 · 12-05-2011, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Maybe what Ford needs is a new take on the old XP durability run, except this time the drivers, one in an EcoLPI FG and the others say in a Cruze, Corolla, Mazda3 are given a $20 fuel voucher and then followed until each car runs out...which car will go further for your money.

Edit: I originally said a $50 voucher but maybe it won't need $50 to fill an EcoLPI, lol.

And maybe bring back a new version of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4T_IhTviZo

An excellent suggestion and one that would get people to sit up and take notice.

Follow it up with a billboard of a LPG Falcon towing a car trailer with one of the cars that ran out of fuel. Ideally a smaller car like a Mazda 3 or Corolla.

Dan

Franco Cozzo · 12-05-2011, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Don't expect much.

Gizmos wise?

Dr Smith · 12-05-2011, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

An excellent suggestion and one that would get people to sit up and take notice.

Follow it up with a billboard of a LPG Falcon towing a car trailer with one of the cars that ran out of fuel. Ideally a smaller car like a Mazda 3 or Corolla.

Dan

Even "more" excellent.

jpd80 · 12-05-2011, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Maybe what Ford needs is a new take on the old XP durability run, except this time the drivers, one in an EcoLPI FG and the others say in a Cruze, Corolla, Mazda3 are given a $20 fuel voucher and then followed until each car runs out...which car will go further for your money.

Edit: I originally said a $50 voucher but maybe it won't need $50 to fill an EcoLPI, lol.

And maybe bring back a new version of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4T_IhTviZo

Or.... get Drive to repeat their Mt. Panorama challenge again
with 3.0 SIDI zippy cane toad up against the EcoLPI Falcon....

gtfpv · 12-05-2011, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpd80

Ford can confirm the I-6 until 2016 but getting people to buy it is another thing.

With rising fuel costs that formerly impressive 9.9 l/100 km now looks very ordinary.
8 l/100 km is the new efficiency target, Falcon will get there is with Ecoboost or better still,
heavily promote the virtues of EcoLPI and the power of a big six that costs a pittance to run.

It's such shame that private buyers don't like buying factory LPG, that's the perfect answer
So let's Hope EcoLPI changes that short sighted consumer view....

people might just start buying factory LPG FALCONS NOW THAT LEASING , has less incentive , i certainly would swing privately to factory LPG .

Road_Warrior · 12-05-2011, 09:05 PM

It would be good if they could get the I6 into another vehicle. Obviously that aircraft tug proposal out of China came to nothing.

SteveJH · 12-05-2011, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtfpv

people might just start buying factory LPG FALCONS NOW THAT LEASING , has less incentive , i certainly would swing privately to factory LPG .

Is LPG available everywhere or just in Metropolitan & Regional area's?

If it isnt available everywhere that could be a killer for many people.

FPV8U · 12-05-2011, 09:17 PM

It's a real shame there won't be a LPG Territory or wagon featuring this new Tech with fuel and diesel costs heading north at the moment..

FalconXV · 12-05-2011, 09:22 PM

Disappointing if it goes until 2016 without any upgrades. Market suicide; with dwindling market share, the engine will get less and less relevant if it remains in it's current format. Holden will upgrade the Alloytec and Toyota will no doubt have a DI version of the 2GR in the imminent Aurion/Camry.
What wouldn't hurt is a few revisions like Direct Injection and Stop-Start, electric water pump and maybe a shorter stroke version .Otherwise it will succumb to the law of diminishing returns and it won't sell enough to see 2016.
Surely this would make for an ideal engine in top-line Ranger,no? I'm sure some within Ford Oz had a passing thought while they were involved with T6...
I wonder if a delete option 2.0 GDi (Ecoboost sans turbo) version would increase market share ; obviously market positioning is less than ideal at the moment why not exploreevery option!?

**Polyal** · 12-05-2011, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

An excellent suggestion and one that would get people to sit up and take notice.

Follow it up with a billboard of a LPG Falcon towing a car trailer with one of the cars that ran out of fuel. Ideally a smaller car like a Mazda 3 or Corolla.

Dan

Yeah like that...or say "the others do try, bless them" etc

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPV8U

It's a real shame there won't be a LPG Territory or wagon featuring this new Tech with fuel and diesel costs heading north at the moment..

True id go a LiLPG tez over a diesel. There is some sneaky strategic thing going on there which doesnt make much sense to me, perhaps they want the diesel to have a really good chance, not have two alternative engines in the same product...dont know.

last fairlane · 12-05-2011, 09:57 PM

Yes LP Gas is available every where
we drove from Brisbane to melbourne and return
in a V8 NC Fairlane which was gas only
and never had a problem with fuel
there were lots of servos selling LPG
John

jpd80 · 12-05-2011, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtfpv

people might just start buying factory LPG FALCONS NOW THAT LEASING , has less incentive , i certainly would swing privately to factory LPG .

I hope that high fuel prices really sharpen people's focus on how LPG can affect running costs,
EcoLPI, Ecoboost I-4 and V6 diesel should all be part of Falcon's strategy going forward...
I believe the V6 diesel option in Territory is about $3,000, imagine a 6.5-7.0 l/100 km Falcon...

mik · 12-05-2011, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by last fairlane

Yes LP Gas is available every where
we drove from Brisbane to melbourne and return
in a V8 NC Fairlane which was gas only
and never had a problem with fuel
there were lots of servos selling LPG
John

yes i had similar experience with gas, having one duel fuel and two straight gas cars, i found very few places that don`t have gas, however i would do a bit of availability checking if i was doing a huge trip out in the sticks.

SteveJH · 13-05-2011, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by last fairlane

Yes LP Gas is available every where
we drove from Brisbane to melbourne and return
in a V8 NC Fairlane which was gas only
and never had a problem with fuel
there were lots of servos selling LPG
John

Pacific and Hume Highways don't count. I'm specifically talking about out west in the more rural and remote areas. ie. Broken Hill, Mt Isa etc.

jpd80 · 13-05-2011, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveJH

Pacific and Hume Highways don't count. I'm specifically talking about out west in the more rural and remote areas. ie. Broken Hill, Mt Isa etc.

Try this link for finding LPG retailers.....LPGA Finder

Quote:

LINDSAYS AUTO & ESSENTIALS
1 BLENDE ST
BROKEN HILL 2880 08 8088 2192 No 1.36
MEMORIAL SERVICE STATION
164 WILLIAM STREET
BROKEN HILL 2880 02 8087 4244 No 1.49
WOOLWORTHS+PLUS PETROL
CNR GALENA AND MERCURY STREETS
Broken Hill 2880 08 8087 6842 No 1.71
SILVERLAND ROADHOUSE
100 JABEZ STREET
BROKEN HILL 2880 08 8087 9223 No 2.08
BP
90 PATTON STREET
BROKEN HILL 2880 08 8088 5616 No 2.43
MOBIL
84 PATTON STREET
BROKEN HILL 2880 08 8087 3653 No 2.52
MOBIL
PERRY STREET BROKEN HILL ROAD
MENINDEE 2879 08 8091 4297 No 101.75
Shell Wilcannia Roadhouse
Myer Street
Wilcannia 2836 No 185.99

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COLES EXPRESS MOUNT ISA
CNR GRACE STREET AND SIMPSON STREET
MOUNT ISA 4825 07 4743 5002 No 6.48
UNITED MOUNT ISA
CNR ISA AND CAMOOWEAL ST
MOUNT ISA 4825 07 4743 4274 No 6.68
MOBIL
CNR MILES AND GRACE STREET
MOUNT ISA 4825 07 4743 5800 No 6.76
AMPOL
6 RAMSAY STREET
CLONCURRY 4824 07 4742 1260 No 98.53
SHELL CLONCURRY ROADHOUSE
CNR RAMSEY AND STATION STREETS
CLONCURRY 4824 07 4742 2407 No 99.11
SHELL CAMOOWEAL ROADHOUSE
BARKLY HIGHWAY
CAMOOWEAL 4828 07 4748 2155 No 154.49
SHELL MCKINLAY ROADHOUSE
LANDBOROUGH HWY
MCKINLAY 4823 07 4746 8472 No 177.88
BURKE & WILLS ROADHOUSE
CNR BURKE DEV ROAD AND WILLS DEV ROAD
FOUR WAYS 4830 07 4742 5909 No 186.03

naddis01 · 13-05-2011, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveJH

Pacific and Hume Highways don't count. I'm specifically talking about out west in the more rural and remote areas. ie. Broken Hill, Mt Isa etc.

600km west of Sydney rural enough? I have an Egas (as well previously having a dual fuel BA) and travel around a fair bit and have NEVER had a problem getting gas. The RTV is driven to, from and around a farm. It is a 70km round trip excluding any driving around the farm (2500 acres) so i feel this whole 'gas isn't available everywhere' argument a little redundant.

By the way Broken Hill has 6 outlets selling LPG. As well as Menindee and Wilcannia.

Mt Isa has 3 outlets selling LPG. As well as 2 in Cloncurry, 1 in Camooweal, 1 in McKinlay and 1 at Four Ways.

Edit: Beaten to the punch. Availability is not an issue.

2011G6E · 13-05-2011, 11:47 PM

Dare I stick my head up and say that a twin turbo four cylinder diesel would be perfectly adequate for maybe 75% of ordinary car buyers?

SteveJH · 14-05-2011, 12:18 AM

Umm, I was asking if it was available everywhere, not stating that it wasn't available everywhere.

Big difference.

Road_Warrior · 14-05-2011, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Dare I stick my head up and say that a twin turbo four cylinder diesel would be perfectly adequate for maybe 75% of ordinary car buyers?

And your point in the context of the I6 continuing production is...?

A turbo 4 may be perfectly adequate for 75% of buyers...but Ford have given the I6 the golden ticket for the next 5 years so we're pretty happy about that. It would be even better if it found homes elsewhere.

naddis01 · 14-05-2011, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveJH

Umm, I was asking if it was available everywhere, not stating that it wasn't available everywhere.

Big difference.

There is? So you need to be able to get LPG at every corner store that has a petrol bowser?

jpd80 · 14-05-2011, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveJH

Umm, I was asking if it was available everywhere, not stating that it wasn't available everywhere.

Big difference.

Not having a go at you mate, it's important to know LPG availability - it's much better these days
and that why I provided the link above so you could check out locations for yourself.

**Mechan1k** · 14-05-2011, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by last fairlane

Yes LP Gas is available every where
we drove from Brisbane to melbourne and return
in a V8 NC Fairlane which was gas only
and never had a problem with fuel
there were lots of servos selling LPG
John

Occasionally there can be issues though where there is no LPG ... and you may have to hunt around ... like 2 days ago ... on my way back from Wagga (had a delivery down there ... and good thing I filled prior to heading back) ... between Yass and Campbelltown ... ALL servos on the Hume had NO LPG.

Good thing I had filled ... and I was loaded coming back ... Wagga to Campbellown is about 410km ... the area that had no LPG was a stretch of about 260km .... I was close to needing to be topped up when I got to Campbelltown (due to load and drag on the highway with what i was carrying).

This is the only main drawback to running LPG ... as supply is not always available ... and this being on a major highway going to the major 24 hour truck stops as well (expecting to be able to access LPG no problems).