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Would this have happened if the govt hadn't raised the terror alert level, and the media hadn't drummed into everyone how powerful IS is?
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I just don't want to become like America......That and end up in a situation like Guantanamo...Held indefinitely without trial? No one should have that right taken away from them. Terrorist or not.
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Im confused... You believe someone like this radical kid should of been given some sort of right?
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I don't understand why Australian Muslims (who are 99.99% law abiding) are protesting. If my brother or someone connected to me was into nasty stuff which had the AFP attention, and they smashed my door down, id be pretty ****ed, but understand that it might mean I am then also under suspicion, until the AFP were satisfied through questioning that I was no risk.
I am waiting for Australian Muslim leaders to denounce what this young man was allegedly into. I am waiting for Australian Muslim leaders to openly invite the police and politicians and media into their worlds, show the general population they have nothing to hide and share the same values and are of no threat. I am waiting for Aussies who don't see themselves as Muslim to treat Aussies who do with respect and understanding, its not us and them, its Muslim extremists against the general population. You note I am careful about referring to a Muslim in Australia as an "Australian" just as my Ukranian relatives came here in 1948 by ship to escape persecution and starvation in war torn Europe, are Australian, my neighbour from Sudan, came here 5 years ago,who only wants one thing, a future for her children just the same as we ALL do.
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![]() It's taken an awfully long time for muslim religious leaders to stand up and start even beginning to criticize what's going on in the most wishy-washy fashion...and that's the problem. They have to stand up and loudly and proudly disassociate themselves from these people, otherwise they just reinforce what is blatantly obvious...that the religion is the problem as much as the people involved. |
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Everyone has the right to due process. Sure this kid was shot and so be it as it was in self defence. But if arrested, yes, due process would be required. If not how do you decide who gets a legal trial and who gets locked up without question. Right to a fair trial is one of the few rights given to us in our constitution, even the worst of the worst are entitled to this right.
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While what he did was in my eyes is wrong, who knows if he was mentally stable? Don't forget just because we view something a certain way, doesn't always mean someone else will aswell so why should they not have a fair trial like everyone else? The real question is, how did he manage to get the jump on two police outside the station? All we know is police were stabbed and he was shot dead but as to no real reason what started the incident.
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I can honestly say I'm rarely swayed by general public consensus, I believe that an individual should be able to stand alone and argue their point by themselves and not require the usual mob mentality that so many people need for validation. There has never before our current governments scaremongering has there been so much hype over possible terrorist attacks in Australia. Not even September 11 sparked so much talk of terrorism. It's all hype, there is no doubt that legislation is penned to increase Police power, as I said, chipping away at our civil liberty unfortunately we're not like American's who have constitutional rights to back up their liberties. I want those who are able to be honest, to tell us why you genuinely fear for your safety and what has made you fear for your safety.
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![]() Go have a good look at what Major Bernard Gaynor says on his blog about the hopeless halfwit foolish dumb creeps we have running the show and you may learn something from someone who truly knows, who and what we are dealing with. We don't have to wast all this money year after year or drop bombs on anyone to stop it all. |
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This thread will only get worse. Its just a Car Forum and don't really think we need to weigh in on such a complex, racial, divisional topic that will just repeat the racially based or biased tripe that is repeated on every other mainstream media.
Everyone knows that the g'ment will be damned if they act, damned if they don't, sit back and watch or join in the fight. Don't think they quite know what to do just as we all don't and am sure they don't know how bad it will escalate or whether ISIS will just disappear. Lets just use these pages to escape all this for the moment could we? Plenty of other places to discuss the ins and outs of the goings on of ISIS.
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