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Ahm... No we're not. Whilst Australia is a soveriegn nation with borders, our actual head of state is Elizabeth II, constitutional monarch of Australia. What we gained in 1901 (Federation) was the right to self determination through our own government elected by the nation. This does not prohibit the monarch from interfering with our determination as was seen in 1975 when the Whitlam government was sacked by the Governor General (The Queens Representative). In 1999 Australia was offered independance and like the Scots we turned it down. The difference here was instead of asking if we wanted independance which polling proved would have got the nod, we were constrained to answering would we accept a President elected by the Government. This question was always going to fail as the politicians always know that the public don't trust them to select a suitable President. I am disapointed that the Scots didn't gain independance, maybe they could have had a system much like our with self determination rather than the full divorce. I toured Scotland some years ago and back then the resentment of the brits by the scots was very plain to see but the English were sucking the life (in taxes) out of them. I hope life gets better for them.
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Why would you be disappointed, the majority of Scots didn't want independence.
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Those voting Yes had a very simplistic view of life after independence, they would have been up **** creek without a paddle imo. |
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The Governor General is a representative of the Queen, without a Queen there is no Governor General. It wasn't the GG who made the decision as he/she has no entitlement to make that decision on his/her own. Even if the opposition blocks "Supply" it must be the Constitutional Monarch ie Lizzy who makes the decision to force a disolution of parliment. Its the GG job to proceed with Lizzy's decision.
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The Queen has not interfered in our parliamentary roles at all & never will. |
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Australia is Independant of the UK, it just so happens we have the same head of state. The UK parliament has no say in our affairs and we have our own constitution. You are confusing being Independant and being a republic, they are mutually exclusive. |
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Or Does Aus have to volunteer? |
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We do have treaties which would obligate us to help but still our decision to participate. |
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Scotland voted to remain part of the Union.
Some points that have not been raised so far: Scotland receives 1600 pounds more per person than other regions in the UK (The Barnett Formula) Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have devolved parliamentary/spending/taxation powers as part of the United Kingdom ("Devo-Max") - England does NOT yet have this right, despite having the biggest population and largest economy. Scottish, Welsh and NI MPs vote on bills affecting the English constituency in Westminster (The "West Lothian question") - without having the results of said bills affecting their consitutents. People in England have bills relating to their lives voted on by people who are thus unelected by them. This is undemocratic. A vast majority of Scottish MPs at Westminster are Labour Party - England has had, over decades, Labour rule in Westminster determining policy for them, without actually having elected this party! England when taken in isolation would vote more conservatively, more often. Some are pushing for an English parliament, with Westminster concerned with whole-UK matters. Solutions: Westminster system has evolved over hundreds of years, and it is this gradualism that has given us the best system of individual freedom and rights from a system of government in the modern world. The stability we enjoy in Australia is a gift of this system. Disallowing Scottish members the vote over English matters in Westminster is probably the most gradual and subtle change that will enhance democracy in the UK, combined with Devo-Max for England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. My 2c: I'm of Scots/English family. Of course I want my families to remain together! In Australia we're lucky the Commonwealth was formed by independent colonies, who have retained their right to self-govern for over 100 years now. It might make for changing rules (rail lines!) over state borders, but it certainly respects the legal framework in which our country was formed.
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I'm not so sure now, and if you look back at our political history , there are quite a few questionable goings on over the years, laws changed without due process, if i remember correctly our coat of arms was changed illegaly and the wording of our constitution also changed which might sound like no big deal, but it goes back to what's really legal in our government. |
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I think a few wires are getting crossed ^^^
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