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BMW diesel engine.
European components used in rugged 4x4 vehicle, I look forward to spares availability issues. Let's see how this plays out Quote:
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Turbo petrol with diff locks please.
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Seems like a missed opportunity to use something like Cummins on highway options here.
I'm very suspect on German passenger diesel engines - sure they put out nice power and torque but reliability, longevity and throw in our **** fuel means its a questionable proposition. |
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I think this is more made for european market - for those that want a better defender, or a low cost option to the merc g wagon.
I could admit that's just speculation because it looks that way - and it does look like them too! Full credit to the new company too. So many wealthy europeans think they should start a new car company and make a supercar that no one buys. These people did it the right way by emulating well know 4x4s instead, should actually sell unlike the supercars |
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I like its basic and rugged looks as well as the interior,
Though the central instrument cluster is a bit pizdets |
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in side and out so to me it wouldnt matter what diesel went in to it
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Because they are awful and need $50k spent on them before they are half decent.
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"a 4BT wont fit and the 2.8 is a ******* POS" Quote:
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Less problematic and you dont get scars on your knuckles from them dragging on the ground? the LC70 series hasnt been a truly reliable bit of kit since they started the V8's
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I’ve been vaguely following the Ineos for the last year or so. I’m not keen to sign up to one but if they prove themselves after a few years it’s the type of vehicle I would like.
Assuming it feels like it was built in the 21st century. I like good off-roaders, but also modern features and driving characteristics. Hopefully the Ineos won’t feel 45 years old as you drive it out of the showroom. |
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HEY! YOU'RE COPYING OUR DESIGN THAT WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANYMORE! Might have just been easier to keep making the Defender as per it's original intention, then there'd be no Ineos Grenadier. |
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Hence track differences between front and rear wheels. Maybe they just should have used an LS ![]() |
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The overseas 70 series use a 4L V6 which has equal front and rear track. Wish we could get that version here.
We're the only ones to get that thong slapping diesel v8 anchor with mismatched track.
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There needs to be some competition in this part of the market.
Toyota have a chuckle every day counting the profits they make here. They do the absolute minimum as highlighted above.
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I bought a Landcruiser workmate with V8 turbo diesel because I was told it had enough torque to pull Jesus off the cross.
yep...does that alright and tows my Komatsu excavator no probs. Best part is I dont give a toss when I scratch the white paint. It would break my heart to scratch some of the 4x4's these days.
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Chinese Cummins. ??
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Wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Beijing Foton Engine Company (ISF) and Dong Feng Cummins Engine Company (B Series) are joint ventures with Cummins except they aren't suppose to be sold outside of China. Not suprisingly a few snakes have managed to import them and sell them brand new but 'used' to operators who want to save a buck.
Type the ESN into Cummins quickserve for parts breakdown or workshop manual and nothing makes sense, the Chinese have used old parts like timing gear covers on newer engines, made up their own part numbers, fitted different parts like turbos/housings, they are just a nightmare if chasing parts or carrying out work on one. I see some bloke is importing brand new Chinese B series and selling them for around $10k for Land Cruiser/Patrol swaps. Brand new genuine Cummins B series is near $22k. As for the Land Cruiser rival. Do you need to buy aftermarket cup holders and arms rests? Do you need to fit 20 year/300,000km old XR6 seats so it doesn't feel like grand dads Kingswood? Do you need to option electric windows so the manual winder doesn't dig into your right knee? Do you need to fit an exhaust/tune/injectors/turbo so it makes more power & torque than an AU1 Forte? Might be onto a winner if No to all of them. |
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I reckon they should make a civilian version of the Thales Hawkei two door - it's a big *** ute
https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/globa...defence/hawkei Take away armour to put it on a diet, normal windows/windscreens. Kinda like an IVECO Daily 4x4, without all the military stuff the price would drop significantly. |
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Well **** me I thought if you want to break into a new market you undercut the incumbent, prove yourself and then jack up the price
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current waiting time is 12-14 months for a new LC70 crew cab
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Marketing 101 why would people choose your product over already established brands? This feels like a “protest vehicle” but I wonder how many will actually lay down cash…. |
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apart from that making it better to drive, it would use HALF the diesel. PS on price the 70 series base model is pretty bland option the GXL and the pricing is closer, but I imagine the Toyota would still be lacking in features.. given early production numbers I think its priced quite low
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how many 70 series are sold in Europe? I doubt he even thought about Australia
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