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"One of the biggest dramas when towing a large caravan is being able to see what’s happening behind you. Even with big towing mirrors fitted, getting a clear rearward view of traffic when trying to change lanes, pull over or overtake on busy roads is fraught with danger.
However, American car brand GMC (part of General Motors, which sells Holdens down under) has come up with a nifty, high tech solution that will be available on its new 2020-model Sierra Heavy Duty pick-up truck. The Sierra’s latest ProGrade Trailering system will offer as many as 15 camera views, including a segment-first transparent trailer view that will allow drivers to “virtually see through a trailer in tow”, according to GMC. New see-through technology on GMC Sierra will make towing safer The see-through display is generated from images obtained from a tailgate-mounted camera and an optional camera mounted on the rear of the trailer, and will be a handy aid for navigating car parks, merging into traffic or making tight turns with a long van behind. The new Sierra will be loaded with other smart trailer technology, including remote monitoring of various trailer information via a smart phone app or the dash-mounted 15in display. There will also be an option available that will allow drivers to turn on the caravan’s air conditioning or water heater, or monitor water tank levels, before arriving at their destination. New Sierra will be able to tow up to 13 tonnes! Other features fitted to the new GMC truck and designed to deliver a “world-class towing experience” include larger new door-mounted powered towing mirrors, an integrated trailer brake controller, trailer sway control, auto grade braking, diesel exhaust braking, and a tow/haul mode. The 2020 Sierra pick-up will be powered by a 332kW/1213Nm, 6.6-litre turbo-diesel V8 engine matched to a new 10-speed Allison auto transmission – another segment first according to GMC. View and monitor your caravan’s appliances while on the move Although GMC hasn’t released final specs, the new Sierrra is expected to have a towing capacity as high as 13 tonnes, depending on configuration. Plus, to more easily access your camping gear in the rear tub, the Sierra will also feature a new “world-first” MultiPro six-function tailgate, that includes a built-in, fold-out step. 2020 GMC Sierra is loaded with built-in towing features “Trailering is the most important consideration for Sierra Heavy Duty customers, and the new features and technologies in the 2020 Sierra HD make it easier than ever to hitch a trailer and tow it confidently,” GMC Heavy Duty Trucks vehicle chief engineer, Jaclyn McQuaid, said, “We’ve developed this new truck to offer the greatest trailering experience ever offered by GMC.” The new Sierra goes on sale in the US later this year. The current-model GMC Sierra is presently only available in Australia through specialist importers and right-hand drive converters." https://www.motoring.com.au/is-this-...ehicle-116847/
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I thought in Australia the law doesn't allow rear facing camera's to be used while driving in the forward direction. Suppose to activate only while reversing.
Just what we need is more idiots not looking where they are going and looking at screens. Towing 13T you'll need a heavy vehicle licence to drive down here. Love to see it stop pulling 13T if it's still on juice brakes.
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roKWiz, I have a rear facing caravan on my caravan. Police have never said anything too me. In Queensland, it has to be in the lower right hand corner of the windscreen. Same as sat nav placement. I find it much safer ,as I can see what is coming up behind me. Something extension mirrors don't do.
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Looks like typical American **** to me.
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I like a vehicle that's built to do a task properly rather than built to be just good enough. She'll be right mate.
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The japs have this area covered, just without all the gadgetry that you don't need. If you want to tow up to 13t, buy a truck.
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A Jap truck that can tow 13t has less than half the power and torque, rides like a billy cart, and wont have a 10 speed auto.
No thanks.
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American utes with their 300KW/1000NM+ diesel engines will actually maintain more than 50km/h up the first hill you encounter while pulling 10+ tonnes and actually drive nicely while having a stereo thats not two tin cans on string with an AM radio so you can listen to someone other than Alan Jones on your way to the caravan park. There is a reason HSV has years worth of work lined up to fulfil their preorders converting Dodge RAM and Chevrolet Silverado and its not because the job can be done properly by Japanese billycarts. The quicker the big three realise there is a market here for their real cars the better we will be as consumers. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 17-02-2019 at 11:18 PM. |
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You do realise the japs make prime movers capable of towing 30t. Don't think they make b double rate but I'm not sure. Maybe they do. Regardless, I think 350kw and 2000nm will be more than capable of towing 13t. No idea of how price compares to the silly Yankee thing though. At least it won't break down every other week.
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Chevrolet Silverado and Dodge RAM are around the $100K-$140K mark, I see them on the roads every morning around Melbourne on my trip to and from work and here locally out regional, HSV is converting them, people are buying, good times. ![]() https://www.hsv.com.au/see/silverado/ What a beast ![]() |
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You need to follow along before going off on your own agenda. The thread was about a vehicle that can tow up to 13t.
Gvm is over 4.5t so you need a truck licence of some sort. Like I said, if you need to tow up to 13t, then the japs have been selling reliable vehicles for years that will do that job. Probably a lot cheaper too. As for your assumptions about the dodge ram, best check out the rear axle ratings on that. Payload isn't great either given they derated them down to just under 4.5t gvm so you can drive it on a car licence. Edit, looks like the Silverado is the same when it comes to payload (unless you buy the 3500 version). The Ranger has a higher payload, legally speaking.
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Define safest.
Just because it is huge and has a bunch of cameras doesn’t mean squat if the driver is exceeding their capabilities. There is a point where towing massive vans becomes counter productive, IMO if you need a massive van maybe consider a large 4x4 and staying in motels it will work out more cost effective. BTW Every now and then you see these things pull into caravan parks and have to wonder... |
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Lol.... get used to sleeping in truck bays cause you wouldn't even get that thing in 99.9999999999999999999999999% of caravan parks here......
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It took them a decade, 3 Van's and half a dozen tow tugs to realise I had a point and now they are free of the burden. Now when they want time away we buy cabins on a ship, pack a few bags and let someone else do the steering/parking whilst we sip cocktails around the pool. |
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I don't know a lot about 5th wheeler Vans but had a quick look and the biggest I could find was 6 tonnes. where you use an ugly but effective Iveco daily as tow vehicle
Why would you need a vehicle rate for 13 tonnes? to put that in perspective that's a full load of stones on a 6x4 tipper Truck.
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An S-45 boom lift is over 7 tonne, gooseneck trailer would be near 12.
Thats Semi work bud.
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I actually don't mind the vehicle itself but why do we need all these electronic camera's fitted in every orifice. You either know how to tow big rigs like these or not, why do they have to dumb down everything for stupid people and again what are the brakes on this vehicle that can handle 13T surely they're air or air over hydraulic.
A couple of needed quick brake applications with this thing running over a mountain would see it running away with that kind of weight. Yeah and as other have said 5th wheeler caravans even 35fter aren't that heavy and suited to Iveco's Isuzu's etc. Looks like the perfect vehicle for hotshot (fast smaller loads) drivers in the US who run these type of vehicles, with gooseneck flatbeds and are commercially licenced but ofter wondered how the brakes held up pulling suck weights. The cabover jap trucks others referred earlier to are rough rides stock (I know I own 4 of em) but like any 4X its how you set them up for towing big stuff. One of my Ford Traders is set up as a gooseneck tug, gets along nice and smoothly but is a little down of hill climbing power.(90's technology) This is one of the reasons I'm building the single drive Louisville as a tray and gooseneck tow tug, big rear duals, 10T tray capacity to carry granite, air brakes to stop and Jake brakes to hold on long downhills and can tow a large gooseneck caravan or step deck, bugger caravan parks, I stay in showgrounds and onsite working. This Chev and it's Dodge and Ford equivalents are an asset for this kind of work but don't suit my needs. I'm still a bit sceptical about its max towing cap. Horses for courses I guess.
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I've seen guys loading stretched Kenworth prime movers on the back of gooseneck flatbeds towed by a F350 and bigger F. Over there they seems to uprate their pick ups, I don't think I would want to do it.
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Fair enough. stuff like this:
https://www.tfltruck.com/2017/03/201...lbs-tow-vidoe/
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My understanding is that it is a supply issue. In NZ, the waiting list is up around 9 months. The base model V8 is the same price as a V6 Amarok or X Class with a few options (around $90k). Top of the line $125k or around same price as a Sahara 200 Series. There is suppose to be a 3.0 V6 diesel for the new Ram later this year, and a Hybrid in 2020. If these are cheaper again, and supply is sorted this will easily cannabalise into the Thai specials. There is simply no comparison between the Thai Utes and one of these. It would be like comparing a Camry to an S Class Mercedes. IIRC in the US payload for the 1500 is 1.4 tonne and it goes right up to around 4t for the 3500 dually. The one tonne rating for the Thai utes are an absolute joke. Anyone who has tried to carry a 1000 litre IBC will know what I mean. |
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