How the hell is v8 Supercars going to help our local market

Sprint · 02-12-2012, 02:28 PM

First off , i know competition can produce a better product but can we really compete on a world market?.I think a world market would crush our Aussie cars and the indentity of the Australian car.

I can see Nissan as being "a adverage mans car", but really Mercedes AMG

. Who the hell is going to benafit from them?The rich mans team?the executive team?.

How will this all help sell more fords and holdens?, why are they talking this up to be so great?

Comments please.

P.s Mods.. I would like this thread to stay in the pub section and not motorsport section, I see this problem as a marketing one, never mind silly promo 100k cop cars, this will have far more effect on sales.

jpd80 · 02-12-2012, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprint

First off , i know competition can produce a

How will this all help sell more fords and holdens?, why are they talking this up to be so great?

It won't guarantee Ford and Holden selling more cars locally, that's not the point to this.

What it does is secure the future of V8 Supercars for at least the next ten years
regardless of what happens locally with Holden and Ford. It's all about the V8 Supercars future...

Nikked · 02-12-2012, 02:37 PM

Oh whinge whinge whinge....

Bringing more manufatures into the champion ship brings more money into the sport, makes it more viable.

Ford and holden have stripped back their commitments, as racing is only one form of marketing, notice Holden flogging off Barina's with Beauty and the geek?

GTpilot · 02-12-2012, 02:37 PM

Win on Sunday- Sell on Monday ended decades ago.
V8 supercars is not Motorsport, it's a traveling circus show!

Sprint · 02-12-2012, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Oh whinge whinge whinge....

Im thinking long term,not right now.

AdamXR6 · 02-12-2012, 02:43 PM

It has nothing to do with selling fords or holdens, v8sc is not a support mechanism for the Australian car manufacturers , it is a private corporation who r there to make money. Unfortunately for me as a race fan I see this as the start of the end, but only time will tell. There a reason tony cochrane has left the business.

H.G · 02-12-2012, 02:45 PM

meh.. I lost interest in the series long ago..
maybe this will bring back some interest.. as long as it remains an option over golf or cricket.. I could care less

mik · 02-12-2012, 02:47 PM

I can't see it making any difference to local car marketing one way or the other, to my way of thinking we already have masses of imports here, a world market,if you like, it will be interesting to see parity arragements on the different cars.

jpd80 · 02-12-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprint

Im thinking long term,not right now.

As time goes on, the chances of V8 Supercars influencing anyone's buying preferences will become even less...
Let's face it, they are becoming more stylized racing where everything is being controlled..that adds up to BORING.
Very safe car, big brakes, good tyres, more than enough engine power, super reliable vehicles = indian file racing.

Nikked · 02-12-2012, 02:52 PM

No different to Group N production, Group A, Group C, Group E...all involved multiple manufacturers.

After 20 years of a Ford V's Holden, the ATCC has turned full circle, back to include other manufactures...

EVLKNEVL · 02-12-2012, 02:53 PM

Slightly off topic, does anyone know if Ford will be allowed to run an alloy overhead cam engine like the new competition will be running?

Nikked · 02-12-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EVLKNEVL

Slightly off topic, does anyone know if Ford will be allowed to run an alloy overhead cam engine like the new competition will be running?

Yes...

jpd80 · 02-12-2012, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

No different to Group N production, Group A, Group C, Group E...all involved multiple manufacturers.

After 20 years of a Ford V's Holden, the ATCC has turned full circle, back to include other manufactures...

Hyundai, Toyota, BMW, lots of other manufacturer's cars available to teams if they want to give it a shot,
heck maybe some Amreican teams with Chevrolet SS, Dodge Charger?

Sprint · 02-12-2012, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

It won't guarantee Ford and Holden selling more cars locally, that's not the point to this.

What it does is secure the future of V8 Supercars for at least the next ten years
regardless of what happens locally with Holden and Ford. It's all about the V8 Supercars future...

So if your saying "v8 supercars" is in finacial trouble and the answer s to sell out on Aussie car makers, then what?.

Leave Australia and compete against Nascar or Pro-am cars?.

I guess it could be like Nascar, all have the same car but with "woolworths" and "coles" liveries.

Again im thinking about our local makets in this thread, I hear so much talk about protecting our jobs but the actions i see are of a opposite effect.

Am i the only one seeing a lack of vision?

You say the show isnt designed to sell cars but its driven by manifactorer's and their agenda's, millions of dollars in advertizing ect.

jpd80 · 02-12-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprint

So if your saying "v8 supercars" is in finacial trouble and the answer s to sell out on Aussie car makers, then what?.
No, they want their business to grow, that can't happen with just Ford and Holden
Leave Australia and compete against Nascar or Pro-am cars?.
Who said V8 Supercars is leaving Australia, a couple of overseas races yes but the competition is based here
I guess it could be like Nascar, all have the same car but with "woolworths" and "coles" liveries.
Corporate engines, retains major parts of cars body work, and variations in tuning, handling, different drivers..

Again im thinking about our lacal makets in this thread, I hear so much talk about protecting our jobs but the actions i see are of a opposite effect.
V8 Supercars has nothing to do with sales of local V8 cars, I know that's a hard concept to get over
but the majority of people who go watch the race do not own V8 Fords or Holdens,, go figure hey.

Am i the only one seeing a lack of vision?

You say the show isnt designed to sell cars but its driven by manifactorer's and their agenda's, millions of dollars in advertizing ect.

Yes you are the one lacking vision, I see no point in continuing this discussion....
The money from Holden and Ford to teams is chicken feed compared to their annual budgets,
that's why you see lots of other sponsors on the cars...

dieseltrain79 · 02-12-2012, 02:57 PM

Because not everyone drives a ford or Holden that lives here ???

To me , these comments only come from the " holier than thou " breed of ford/Holden owner drivers . Whom think their ford is a one off car that is far superior than the other 20,000 identical models on our roads . ( nothing wrong with what we can afford , nothing wrong with being a proud owner of ) if that makes sense .

Nothing in either of the current ( and hash been for years ) ford/holdens have anything to do with their readily available road cars for sale from their respective showrooms / car lots .

So really the whole V8 supercar series has been irrelevant for over the last 10 years , since Holden haven't run a 5.0l engine since a VR series commodore ( closer to 15 yrs ) .

It's just a form of Motorsport for car enthusiasts to associate with ( dealer names and brandings ) , and enjoy watching and purchasing merchandise from those teams / manufacturers we follow

nothing more nothing less .

ivorya · 02-12-2012, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Oh whinge whinge whinge....

Bringing more manufatures into the champion ship brings more money into the sport, makes it more viable.

Ford and holden have stripped back their commitments, as racing is only one form of marketing, notice Holden flogging off Barina's with Beauty and the geek?

No... Holden just read the contract that they allowed RD to submit.

Now they'll just have to pay him more money to keep him switching to another make.

irish2 · 02-12-2012, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by EVLKNEVL

Slightly off topic, does anyone know if Ford will be allowed to run an alloy overhead cam engine like the new competition will be running?

Ford won't change yet, as the motors will be all brought to a similar power output anyway. The small simple windsor block will be best for now.

jpd80 · 02-12-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by irish2

Ford won't change yet, as the motors will be all brought to a similar power output anyway. The small simple windsor block will be best for now.

DJR's engine builders have a bunch of Ford DOHC V8s they're working on...

Windsor220 · 02-12-2012, 04:33 PM

People that follow racing already have their favourites and know what they want to buy. Other brands coming in aren't going to change much.

If anything Mercedes being in the category may help the locals. The people that don't know what's going on will think that they are at the same level as an AMG

Resurrection · 02-12-2012, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GTpilot

V8 supercars is not Motorsport, it's a traveling circus show!

Post of the year!

zilo · 02-12-2012, 04:47 PM

I go there for the jets flying overhead, the stunt motor cycles, the beer and more beer.

Then there's the bikini parade every 3 hours next to the VB tent.

The utes doing donuts on the straight....it's a great weekend.

Our crew of ten loyal fans have been going to Adelaide every year since the Grand Prix stopped...the grand prix was crap...this is entertainment.

Who cares who wins?

Give me noise, crashes, cute girls walking around and junk food!

robbyj · 02-12-2012, 05:08 PM

if ford/holden dominate the Mercedes/nissan, hell that might even convince more people to buy ford/holden.

I think it will still be a 2 badge race, Aussies Vs Imports. Can never tell what goes through a holden fans head but i presume if holden cant win the race, then they would prefer at least the other aussie car to win over the nissan/merc.

Introducing healthy competition will only benefit this. I might be bothered to watch more then 15 mins of a race now!

EVLKNEVL · 02-12-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by irish2

Ford won't change yet, as the motors will be all brought to a similar power output anyway. The small simple windsor block will be best for now.

I wonder if the imports will have a fuel economy advantage in the endurance events then?..

Moby Vic · 02-12-2012, 05:38 PM

There was a reason I decided to attend Bathurst in 2012 rather than 2013.

But V8SC cares about V8SC, not FoA or Holden. They're trying to broaden the fan base internationally to make more money.

tweeked · 02-12-2012, 06:45 PM

Twenty years ago Falcons and Commodores accounted for close on 1 in 5 of new vehicle sales, now they would probably add up to 1 in 20, and heading south rapidly.

They had to bring in more manufacturers. In 4 or 5 years there may well be no rear drive V8's made here.

Sprint · 02-12-2012, 07:42 PM

Thanks for the input guys and helping me understand.

No v8s and green power, feels like the 1980's all over again.

Motorbreath310 · 02-12-2012, 08:03 PM

V8SC is kinda boring anyway. The cars are that close in build and specification that it's pretty much a question of who has the better-managed team and the best drivers.

And besides, no one's going to go out and buy an Altima if it wins. If they do, there'll be questions asked as to why it's missing cylinders and dragging its ****.

Ryan · 02-12-2012, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by robbyj

Can never tell what goes through a holden fans head but i presume if holden cant win the race, then they would prefer at least the other aussie car to win over the nissan/merc.

Don't know about that. If at any point during next year one of The Kellys are fighting against FPR or DJR for a win I'd still rather one of The Kellys to win due to old alliances.

I'm assuming a lot of Ford fans would feel similar if a SBR Merc was going against HRT or 888.

I wasn't around during the old days, but I guess it was the same thing when Moffat, Brock etc jumped around different manfacturers.

The Holden vs Ford rivalry will still be very strong IMO. I can't imagine a lot of Holden and Ford fans siding eachother against Nissan and Merc simply because the two teams representing those brands have a long history with Holden and Ford respectively.

If Nissan and Merc were bringing in two teams from overseas that maybe different.

Nikked · 02-12-2012, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Motorbreath310

it's pretty much a question of who has the better-managed team and the best drivers.

Sums up just about every racing catagory...even production cars...ad money and it's more the truth.

What does it matter?

Nothing.

Thundering 4 door V8's, banging doors, sliding though corners...noise and fury.

Nothing wrong with that.