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![]() Apologies in advance for the Melbourne oriented post... there are ~4 million of us ![]() Driving along Eastlink this morning, I noticed Eastlink signs were displaying "Cameras cut crashes; speed cameras on soon" or words to that effect; others show something along the lines of "Most toll points 50 cents or less for a car"... A few comments: 1. I thought Vic Police announced the cameras were switched on 1/9/08? Have they had problems with them already? 2. Cameras cut crashes? I call BS... A (hidden, mobile) camera will do nothing to slow you down then and there, and all a fixed camera does is make traffic slow (sometimes in an unsafe manner) around the camera. Arguably, they will slow down motorists on average... but statistics show most crashes are not speed related. 3. As an aside... the wording of the "Road Safety Cameras operate in this area" signs irritate me also. They're not 'Road Safety Cameras' they're 'Revenue Raising Cameras'. If it were truly about safety and not revenue, police would not have to meet quotas for issuing fines. 4. Clearly they're not seeing as much traffic as they'd like/hoped on Eastlink. Good. Hopefully it goes bankrupt and the government takes over, removing the tolls. /wishful thinking |
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Must admit I have thought the same thing (especially the camera cuts crashes) Was wondering what would happen if someone challenged that through court as "misleading" I beleive no. of accidents/crashes are increasing, which means cameras are not cutting crashes. Granted there are more people on the roads but are greater % of cars these days have safety devices which help avoid accidents ABS,TC, VSC etc.
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I also thought WTF when the signes went up. My thoughts when I notice them .....
"Cameras cut crashes ......." How many 'crashes' has there been on East Link since opening? Once cameras are operational, is this going to ease the carnage on East Link? With the amount using it you would be very unlucky to hit another car, let alone see one. "Most toll points 50 cents or less........" Trip from S'vale Rd to Ringwood by pass $2.28 ...... One toll point! Also the fact that there is 16 toll points in 30km's? Only the tunnel cameras were turned on then. The rest will be ready for 1st October. | [/url] |
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16 Toll points with different costs at each one!!
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At least I am not the only one going nuts lol
I thought I seen 1 sign say "cameras are now turned on" and then a week later "cameras on soon" lol |
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WTF! But that cost (1 toll point) is to pay for the Tunnels (only). Quote:
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For what its worth, had an email the other day from the operator, 'she' advised two fixed cameras installed.
I had queried an assertion somewhere suggesting a total 22 cameras.
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[QUOTE=BA Waggn]Did you realise it's dearer to drive Eastlink on a Saturday or Sunday?
WTF! Actually it is 20% cheaper on weekends and public holidays, info is in here somewhere: http://www.eastlink.com.au/page.aspx?code=TOLLS#classes Hey I hate tolls as well I'm headin down to rosebud today so will be driving the whole thing to and from. EDIT: Discounts only apply if you have an account, they dont apply to day passes. |
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Hmmmmmmm!!
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I had forgotten that I drove to work via the Monash Fwy, then came home on the Eastlink. It cost $1.08. I thought this $1.08 was going to work when it actually cost's me $0.90. But instead it's coming home. Ahhh, the bloody webpage squashes all the info up, how about they code the webpage to fit widescreens. Need it bigger font. |
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As stated earlier only the tunnel camera's are on. The others which they're all located under bridges will be on soon. I travel East link up to 4 times per day. The camera locations are obvious.
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The only way a speed sCamera will reduce the road toll is to take more drivers off the road due to loss of license or loss of money and not able to afford a car.
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I have seen so many times cars braking or slowing down as they pass under speed cameras, also the toll gantries on the Citylink, sometimes even if they are already travelling at or below the speed limit. These drivers are probably also checking their speedos rather than concentrating and keeping eyes on the road. How can they cut crashes when they cause disturbances in traffic flow? They probably increase the likelihood of accidents.
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I hate speed camera's like everyone else but i aslo think they are needed it's they fact the some have a 2-3km limit on some that is a joke . We just need more pollies like that one in england they had on top gear that removed them from his county because he said they are a farce and only for revenue raising purposes.
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There is a bank of cameras under Wellington Road, another under either Greens Road or the Dandy Bypass and another "somewhere" in the tunnels, going both northbound and southbound. Does anybody know if the tolerances for those cameras are changed if the variable speed limit is reduced? The tunnel was down to 40 and one lane tonight, I "could" have drifted a bit over just as I was coming out of the city-bound tunnel.
Incidentally, I can't see the justification for putting "safety" cameras on one of the safest roads in the land. |
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Hi all
I live in Brisbane and drive a 45 tonne gross truck and trailer we have toll roads to but they are government owned and all they do is increase every year $7 to cross the Gateway bridge "Westgate bridge eqivalent in Melbourne" and $4 to $5 on other toll roads each section from Ipswich 35 Ks to the airport is over $25 each way now the propaganda "safety signs save lives" but the worst is "every K over is a killer" so that means if I hit a 1.7 tonne Falcon with a 45 tonne truck at 99Ks no one will be killed what a load if crap but at 101 total mayhem sorry but govts stink John |
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You know what's stupid, some exit's (i.e Greens road off ramp, heading South) you have to rush over to the left lane, which is also the traffic from the Bypass onramp.
They put a toll gantry there, right at the point that you merge. So how many cars a day will get a photo of their number plate half way in one camera and half in the other camera.? Lolz! I like how they put a camera (for number plates) on the emergency lanes. Sif anyone would try that on a new tolled fwy....... ![]() I only go pass one camera (speed), that is, on the way home. Greens Road. So I can do what I want the rest of the other 3/4's of the trip. ![]() But I do like all the new extra architecturaly drawn line markings in the new fwy. However atleast they could have used white lines instead of black lines, I just can't quite see where they lead. I mean, some go in a circle, some look like a curvy snake and some go into the gutter. Who's the Irish fella they paint's black lines on a black surface heading into the gutter??? I reckon he's ****ed. I think I'll wait up for him on a Saturday night around 2am and see if I can catch that Irish Fella, and tell him how to paint the lines properly. ![]() ![]() |
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Travelling on Eastlink today i noticed that there are signs on some toll points indicating the cost... Also noticed signs stating the camera's are now on......
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...... and some signs still saying they are coming! I think I liked it before when I couldnt add up how much it was costing!
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Safety cameras yeah right!
is that like those huge mobile billboards that they Park beside freeways saying Distracted drivers die Well hello I just got distracted by this huge rediculous bloody sign......cretins Cheers Snake
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Just drove on Eastlink today for the first time in a couple of weeks, the signs on the toll gantries that tell you how much the toll is are an interesting touch - I wonder what will happen when they want to put the toll up? I think Citylink put it up each year with CPI.
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I heard the Vic road toll last month and we were 10 higher than the same time last year (about 2-3% increase). I'm sure the number of speed cameras has also increased in that time, so they are clearly not the solution...
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Some good resources: http://www.monash.edu.au/muarc/ http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roa...Stats_2007.pdf Imagine what the roads would be like if all the camera revenue went into driver training for everyone! |
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I can't imagine that ConnectEast is happy with the Gov sticking speed cameras on their road (potentially) reducing the number of cars willing to drive on it. |
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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...20-661,00.html The amount of P platers ignoring vehicle restrictions and getting caught/fined... (and Killed????) Still, driver training isnt the issue, its driver ATTITUDE...
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Combine the fact that the road is quite expensive to drive on and that a 4km/h difference at 100km/h is hardly noticeable (when compared to, say, 60 to 64) - it's certainly made me think twice about using the road. There have been a few times when I wasn't quite paying enough attention to the speedo (rather, I was paying attention to driving... the way it should be) as I was driving under Wellington Rd overpass... I don't want to get done for doing 104 in a 100 zone. Quote:
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