Does anyone else here have a vapouriser?

[tut0r]

Hey I've been vaping for quite a while now instead of smoking and am just curious at those who have kicked the habit for vaping instead or kicked it completely?

Me personally I've been off the death sticks for over a year now and vape instead and still wonder how I smoked for so long!

[Mesa]

Oh that kind of vapouriser....I thought you might have found one like Marvin the Martian used to use on the Bugs Bunny show....I could use one of them.

[tut0r]

Hahaha should of also specified e-cigarette but I think Marvin's vapouriser would be more beneficial at times.

[old_mate]

tried one and could see how it would help me kick the habit however I miss the nicotine. Have looked into importing nicotine and going that way but as the darts approach a dollar each that should be motivation enough just to stop all together.

maybe.

[tut0r]

Ah yes I import pure nicotine to make e-juice for my vapouriser, you can also order it with the flavouring from an american company which is what I do too. I vape the nic juice during the day and just plain flavouring at night to help me relax and kick the nicotine.

Since I used to spend $120 a week on smokes I was already up in the first month with all my purchases!

[ILLaViTaR]

If you must smoke then it definitely makes sense as practically all the negative health effects are avoided (as well as the chronic ones ie fatigue, respiratory, flus/colds, yellow teeth/nails etc). I had a volcano for over a year and recently sold it :(

[tut0r]

Ahh so you were one of those oddballs that walked around with a giant plastic bag ;) haha my mates got one of those, damn great machines but not cheap to buy, I have 3 mechanical mod vapourisers now mainly built for cloud chasing.

It becomes a bit of a hobby after a while and constantly getting stopped and asked questions, good to see there are some people on here who have used them.

[MercurySilver]

i thought you meant the other vape too lol
looked into one of the others and never did anything about it

went from capt blacks to rollies and saved 100 bucks a week
tried one of the nicobate mint strips this morn
still has that slight sting taste to it like the gum does but is 20 times better in taste etc

[Rockape]

Im another one that has switched to vaping. Started on the vape 4 months ago and haven't had a smoke since. Tried all the other stuff and it didnt work.

[tut0r]

Originally Posted by Rockape

Im another one that has switched to vaping. Started on the vape 4 months ago and haven't had a smoke since. Tried all the other stuff and it didnt work.

What did you end up getting in terms of mod mate? Are you still vaping nic or just flavour?

[Franco Cozzo]

Can you use them in doors at places like restaurants etc? I'm thinking about getting a mate something good for his birthday, he smokes a fair bit.

[Rockape]

started with the ebay stuff but moved on to duel coil tanks and a tornado CTwist battery. still on the nic 12mg. You probably can vape in more places but i dont push it.

[tut0r]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Can you use them in doors at places like restaurants etc? I'm thinking about getting a mate something good for his birthday, he smokes a fair bit.

I'm going to say no, even though its not technically smoking the stigma that goes with it as 'smoking' is still there and would be frowned upon.

My vape is more a cloudchaser than anything so its far from subtle, it is like walking around with a shisha everywhere but I love it don't know how I ever smoked haha

[tut0r]

I'm currently using a Nemsis style mod with an origen V1 atomiser, making an order tonight for a stingray with a magma atty running it at .5ohms currently with the sony VCT batteries. 30amp draw

[Rockape]

I think thats half the fun. Different mods and flavors.

[tut0r]

Completely agree, I'm vaping endless summer from fuzion vapour, they do amazing juices those blokes but are copping the same BS by the FDA about vapes....I highly suggest anyone wanting to quit smoking to get into them and do some research.

[Madaya]

Mates, this is my little input, think of it what you may.
Just over six years ago, I smoked my last coffin nail.
To help, I took to the Nicabate lozenges. They where great, until after some months, I was dashing to the dunny every couple of hours.
Yeah that (forgot the compound) catches up on you.
So I switched to the chewies, 2mg - 4mg, depending on the mood.
I've been hooked on the chewies for 6 years.
I don't desire a smoke, I can hang out with smokers no prob. I haven't put on weight, which is a big downer when you quit. I'm probably spending half what a smoker spends (seriously, I should be spending next to nothing if the Quit mob were serious) and this is the big one...

I haven't had a (proper) cold or a flu in seven years. I've forgotten what it is like to lay moribund in a bed for a day or so. I don't remember what a runny nose is. If I ever feel off colour, I up the nicotine (and bitter beer = hops), and wake up the next morning okay.
Sure, I might have the odd cough or sneeze, or the day when things feel achey, but this is minimal. Meanwhile, I'm being called into work to cover sick people, and my available sick leave runs to almost 2000 hours.
I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has a similar story.
Last time I quit cold turkey, I ended up in hospital with Viral Meningitus!

[tut0r]

Great to hear Madaya! I quit cold turkey for about a year with one or two smokes, I missed the habit more than anything which the vape really helps. Had an old bloke who was addicted to chewies as an ex smoker, not a chance in hell you'd ever get one off him, but everyone has their vices.

I find smoke free, I wake up a lot easier, don't cough a lung up, my fitness hasn't changed though. As a smoker I could out run most people who didn't smoke, but I'm 6'1 at only 78kg so not big by any means.

I don't crave smoking/vaping as much when I was a smoker either, but really enjoy the hobby side of vapourisers and can keep the social aspect!

[Bushbasher]

I quit smoking in 2000 after 25yrs on the nails. I basically went cold turkey with a little help from old grass clippings when the craving got too bad. After 3 weeks your system is clear of nicotine and then it was just finding something to do with my hands as the urge to draw my hand to mouth was very strong. I found shelling peanuts worked for me, it kept my hands busy and gave me something to bring to my mouth till the urge subsided without pigging out on too many nuts. That and barley sugar and the odd chewie kept me from rolling smokes. It took 3 months before I stopped wanting to put things in my mouth and another 12 months before I stopped wanting a smoke. After 24 months I stopped thinking about smokes at all and at 36 months I stopped having urges to light up when I had a few drinks.
These days I can smell a smoker from 6-8 feet away in still air and can't stay in a confined space with someone smoking as the second hand smoke affects my lungs. But I keep my mouth shut and don't complain because there's nothing worse than a preachy born again non-smoker.

[xtremerus]

Originally Posted by tut0r

I'm currently using a Nemsis style mod with an origen V1 atomiser, making an order tonight for a stingray with a magma atty running it at .5ohms currently with the sony VCT batteries. 30amp draw

Sounds like a mod list for a Prius

[gozzaxr6t]

I smoked for 12 years. When I found my wife was pregnant I just threw the pack and havnt touched one since. Been two years now.

Well im sorta lying. 2 months into it, warm friday arvo after work, was working on the car smashing a crownie. I opened the top draw to my toolbox and what do I see, a packet of winfields with 1 smoke inside. Lol. Too tempting especially with the beer. I sparked up, had about 5 drags and it tasted like ****. I say it was the best thing I ever done lighting up after 2 months because it totally turned me off smoking for good. Tasted absolutely foul.

[tut0r]

I'm the exact same, cannot touch a smoke now unless its a menthol so I don't taste the damn thing! Still love the smell of a freshly lit smoke but after that it feels like it starts to burn the nostrils and I have to stay away if in direct position of the smoke

I still get odd looks with the amount of clouds my vape produces when I am out at a cafe, they then realise you can't really smell it and don't care. No one has said anything yet besides coming up to ask what I am using.

The guys at BPR had a good chuckle at it today.

[aussiblue]

Illegal now in WA http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-0...-in-wa/5497842

WA leads the country in banning e-cigarettes, but users say they help to quit

720 ABC Perth By Emma Wynne

Updated Wed 4 Jun 2014, 11:11am AEST

An e-cigarette sits next to a vial of nicotine.
Photo: Health authorities are divided about the effectiveness of electonic cigarettes as quitting aids. (Public Health Department)
Related Story: Scientists urge WHO to resist e-cigarette crackdown Related Story: One in 10 smokers does not link smoking with illness: survey

Map: Perth 6000


Western Australia has led the country in banning e-cigarettes, even those which do not contain nicotine.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) will hold a tobacco control meeting in Moscow in October to debate the merits of electronic cigarettes, with some doctors arguing in favour of the product.

While many users claim the e-cigarettes, which allow them to inhale a vapour without the smoke, help them to cut down their tobacco habit, Australian health experts are questioning their value.

Last month the WA Supreme Court ruled that e-cigarettes that do not contain nicotine still breached the tobacco control act which prohibits any "food, toy or other product" looking like a cigarette or cigar.

E-cigarettes that contain nicotine liquid are banned across Australia, but are still easily obtainable.

Talkback caller to 720 ABC Perth, Mohammed, said he felt that an e-cigarette had helped him with a 27-year chain-smoking habit.

"About three months ago I switched to the e-cigarette and I haven't touched a normal cigarette since," he said.

"My breathing has improved, my sleeping has improved. There is no smell on my clothes or car.

"I'm looking forward to giving up. I have tried all those other things like patches and chewing gum, but they never helped. This is the only thing that kept me off cigarettes."

E-cigarettes not approved as quitting aids

Dr Tarun Weeramanthri, the executive director of public health at the WA Health Department, said that while further research is welcome, there is no evidence to date the e-cigarettes work any better that other nicotine replacements.

"E-cigarettes have been around since the 1960s but despite the claims for them, they are not registered in Australia as a quitting aid," he said.

"Some people will say the devices helped them quit, but when we look at the evidence, many more people just keep smoking e-cigarettes and normal cigarettes.

"The long term trials haven't been that conclusive about the effectiveness of e-cigarettes in quitting."

What has changed, Dr Weeramanthri, is that e-cigarettes have become a bigger business, particularly in Europe, where seven million people use them.

"What has happened in the last couple of years is the big tobacco companies have been buying up e-cigarette companies.

If you look at Europe, where millions of people do use e-cigarettes, they are promoted just like old fashioned cigarettes.

"There is massive advertising and promotion around them and there is evidence that, in some countries, they are being marketed at children.

"That's what we want to avoid at all costs."

Cutting out smoke but not nicotine

However, others like Professor Gerry Stimson from Imperial College in London, believes there may be some benefits to vapour cigarettes and is calling on WHO to resist a crackdown.

"We think that WHO should be looking at the potential for the positive health effects of e-cigarettes," Professor Stimson told ABC News.

"Most smokers desperately want to give up smoking and there has never really been much to help them.

"Many people are not really happy with nicotine patches and gums and at long last we have something which allows people to use nicotine but not to die from the smoke."

But Dr Weeramanthri said that even when not smoked, nicotine is still harmful.

"Nicotine is an intense vaso-constrictor," he said.

"It can restrict your coronary arteries and it can constrict your blood vessels elsewhere in your body.

"It can cross the blood-brain barrier which is why it is so addictive.

"Nicotine is a schedule seven poison which are poisons which are not allowed anywhere near human beings."

[tut0r]

Yeah happened a few months ago remember one of the vape stores had to close down, poor bastards. There is a new site up regarding how 'harmful' vaping is. Unfortunately there is no conclusive evidence yet for all vaporisers and those tested were beyond levels of normal human consumption. Really grinds my gears some of the tests done are so out of whack.

""What has happened in the last couple of years is the big tobacco companies have been buying up e-cigarette companies."

This is one of the biggest issues regarding a lot of the 'so called' tests done on vapourisers. I suggest anyone wanting better facts regarding them check out aussie vapours forums or others of the like. There are quite a lot of research papers posted on there from the source, as opposed to the satirical articles you'll find 90% of the time on the web.

I myself have done quite a lot of research into it but everyone is entitled to an opinion and their own form of research.

Its only illegal to sel

[Crazy Dazz]

FMD.
Back when I quit there were no vapes, no patches, no mini-mints, and no gum (although I recall seeing it in American TV shows.) I just quit.
You can call it "cold turkey" if you like, but what other sort of "quitting" is there?

Just my 2 cents worth, but I suspect (my opinion only) that all these things simply PROLONG the nicotine addiction?

To be honest, its hard for me to really recall just how hard it was to quit. I can remember drinking too much coffee, until I had to switch to tea which was much harder to OD on. Fortunately at the time, I was on a real health kick, so I was getting trim and fit, rather than putting on weight (as I have done now.)

[tut0r]

You can get vapourisers without nicotine, its true quitting all together is going to be better I agree. My biggest issue was breaking the habit of actually smoking, hand to mouth etc etc

Vapes helped with that and I cut down in the nicotine a lot. Always keep thinking how did I ever smoke when they taste so bad :P

[Bushbasher]

If you want to know what most ex smokers reaction is to smoking and second hand smoke now and their attitude to the smell and taste of tobacco, go find an ashtray, take a deep sniff then have a big lick.

[tut0r]

One thing I miss about not being able to taste as well and smell things, is when someone decides to drop one in a closed car.....Having your sense of smell can sometimes just be the darnedest thing haha

[aussiblue]

This will be good news for you: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...cienceDaily%29

A major scientific review of available research on the use, content, and safety of e-cigarettes has concluded that -- although long-term health effects of e-cigarette use are unknown -- compared with conventional cigarettes they are likely to be much less harmful to users or bystanders.


The review of current evidence about e-cigarettes, carried out by Queen Mary University of London (QMUL) and published today by the scientific journal Addiction, concludes that despite gaps in the knowledge which require further research, the current evidence about e-cigarettes does not justify regulating them more strictly than, or even as strictly as, conventional cigarettes. Regulatory decisions will provide the greatest public health benefit when they are proportional, based on evidence, and incorporate a rational appraisal of likely risks and benefits.

The scientific review was conducted by an international team of leading tobacco researchers led by QMUL's Professor Peter Hajek. Hajek comments: "The evidence we currently have is clear: e-cigarettes should be allowed to compete against conventional cigarettes in the marketplace. Health care professionals may advise smokers who are unwilling to cease nicotine use to switch to e-cigarettes. Smokers who have not managed to stop with current treatments may also benefit from switching to e-cigarettes."

Electronic cigarettes have gained considerable popularity over the past few years. While public health researchers investigate their potential harms (reducing motivation to stop smoking, providing a gateway to smoking) and benefits (giving smokers safer access to nicotine and reducing or even virtually eliminating cigarette use), regulatory bodies around the world are currently debating whether, and how heavily, to regulate e-cigarettes. Their verdicts likely will feature among the key public health decisions of our time.

[aussiblue]

http://www.sciencealert.com/e-cigare...-of-cigarettes

New research has revealed that e-cigarettes can contain up to 10 times the amount of carcinogens of regular cigarettes, which has brought the claim that these devices are a healthier alternative to smoking into serious contention.

A government-funded study in Japan has revealed that e-cigarettes - electronic devices designed to replace traditional cigarettes - contain high levels of chemicals that have been linked to the development of cancer.

E-cigarettes contain flavoured liquid, which is heated electronically and the resulting vapour inhaled to produce a tobacco flavour without the harmful smoke. According to Justin McCurry at The Guardian, researchers from the Health Ministry of Japan decided to investigate this liquid by testing several brand of e-cigarettes using a machine that inhaled 10 sets of 15 puffs. They discovered that several brands contain the known carcinogens formaldehyde and acetaldehyde.

"One new brand of e-cigarette, whose name has not been made public, showed a more than 10-fold increase in formaldehyde levels in nine out of every 10 sets,” McCurry reports. "The device produced 1,600 micrograms of formaldehyde per 15 puffs."

Another brand also showed similarly high levels, but not as consistently. Other brands showed lower amounts of the carcinogens than regular cigarettes.

"In one brand of e-cigarette the team found more than 10 times the level of carcinogens contained in one regular cigarette. Especially when the... wire (which vaporises the liquid) gets overheated, higher amounts of those harmful substances seemed to be produced,” lead researcher Naoki Kunugita told the AFP. "We need to be aware that some makers are selling such products for dual use (with tobacco) or as a gateway for young people.”

The Guardian reports that since their invention, e-cigarettes have been particularly popular among young people. According to the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC):

"More than a quarter of a million youth who had never smoked a cigarette used electronic cigarettes in 2013, according to a CDC study published in the journal Nicotine and Tobacco Research. This number reflects a three-fold increase, from about 79,000 in 2011, to more than 263,000 in 2013.”

Surprisingly, till now, e-cigarettes have enjoyed the status as the ‘less harmful’ alternative to cigarettes, despite the World Health Organisation’s efforts to raise concerns about their effects on foetuses in the womb and young people, and the UN advising they be banned from enclosed public areas. Researchers in Japan have been directed by the government to continue their investigation into the health risks of e-cigarettes.

It’s obviously not great news for people who have been using e-cigarettes and those who are desperately seeking an alternative to regular cigarettes. A Guardian report earlier this year stated that e-cigarette use could save the lives of 50,000 people in the UK, so perhaps at this stage, e-cigarettes are not the great white hope after all, just the lesser of two evils.

McCurry does mention that one researcher, Greek cardiologist Konstantinos Farsalinos, who runs a e-cigarette research website, said the unnamed brand that turned up 10 times the amount of carcinogens was “a single extreme case out of the many products he tested", and perhaps the one tested was faulty - something that further research will identify. "Obviously, we have to realise that focusing the discussion on one of the tens of carcinogens present in tobacco cigarette smoke is misleading," he said.

The results have been published in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health.

Sources: The Guardian, The Guardian (Sept 2014), MedicalXpress, Centres for Disease Control and Prevention