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Good, It should even out sales in the long run as all demos are eventually sold. Everest 490, a reasonable result considering current circumstances Last edited by jpd80; 05-02-2020 at 06:53 PM. |
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From article - "But perhaps more relevant to this audience, the FCAI also commenced a new reporting process designed to stamp out the OEM and dealer practice of reporting cars as sold when they are not to hit stretch targets." "This process compares data supplied by car companies with national registration databases."
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Ford EcoSport 15 Ford Endura 129 Ford Escape 235 Ford Everest 490 Ford Focus 181 Ford Mondeo 19 Ford Mustang 258 Ford Ranger 4X2 178 Ford Ranger 4X4 2,446 Ford Transit Custom 164 Ford Transit Heavy 54 Ford Total 4,169 Overall Ranger sales were up on the same month last year.
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calling vehicles sold when they are not just to make sales numbers look better than they are |
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They'll find ways around it, case in point this Focus ad.
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/mile...ack/1239474019 Zooper cars is a branch of the Stillwell group I believe, somehow they've managed to come across 40 near new Focus in a bulk buy, whats the chances that these all came from their Ford franchise. Note the Km's on this one, its still a new car being sold through a used car yard. How do you sell a new car through a non franchised outlet and why would you. My money's on it being 'sold and registered' and then sent to the used yard to actually move. Last edited by BENT_8; 05-02-2020 at 07:34 PM. |
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The new system stops fictitious sales that don’t match registrations data base It stops companies submitting sales estimates that are nowhere near correct. In the case of Stilwell they’ve wholesaled 40 early 19.25 plate vehicles to make way for a new batch of 20 plates that are turning up soon, Focus is just too expensive for most buyers tastes. I suspect all companies will follow America and go to three monthly reporting to smooth out sales numbers. Last edited by jpd80; 05-02-2020 at 08:05 PM. |
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They've slashed 6k off a car with 54km's on the clock and selling it through a used car lot. Doesn't sound like just finding more foot traffic to me. |
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It’s also why sales are based on new registrations. |
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I know how it works, I worked in a few dealerships in my time, however, one thing I've never seen in all my years of working in yards and buying cars, is a new car with 54k's being sold through a used car yard.
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There’s only 11 left at the time of the add so lower price works, as we knew it would and of course it is Adelaide where times are probably pretty hard for battlers. Last edited by jpd80; 05-02-2020 at 08:41 PM. |
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Zooper are part of AP Eager, probably the biggest dealer group in Australia. They own both new and used lots all around the country.
40 demos isn't that many. Possible hail damage cars, storm damage etc. Can't sell them as new once that sort of stuff has been reported. I wouldn't call it a scheme to bump up sales figures.
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My question is ... does it really matter these days?
Australia has next to zero local car manufacturing. So the swings in buyer consumption is worn by overseas manufacturers. Ask any car salesperson, and they will swear that at that price, they are not making any money on the car ![]() On the flip side, if consumers are not buying new cars, then they would have to be spending more on maintenance (and in turn generating local employment) keeping the cars on the road. The local Dealer should be making a few more bucks flogging spare parts at ridiculous prices. If anything, it appears that the "automatic stabilizers" in the Australian dollar, the taxation system, and new car sales is just doing its thing. |
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I can accept the demo's with a few thousand k's on them have been registered for a while, but that one with 54k's on it could quite easily have been registered last month and for all we know any number of those 40 could have been registered in January too. If it does, then for something like Focus, which sold only 181 in January, this would skew those figures as technically the vehicles aren't actually sold to private buyers yet. I wouldn't give too much credit to the 11/40 left marketing spin either. Im not just pointing the finger at Ford here either, that mob has fingers in many pies, its just an ad I spotted last night and caught my attention for the low k's and the affiliation with a Brand. As I said, im sure they (Dealers) will find a way around the new reporting criteria. |
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so it'snot even a way around the system as zero km demos are a legitimate sale to a dealer. The new reporting system is designed to stop motor companies declaring unsold/ unregistered stock as being sold. Registered demos still count as sales whether they are wholesaled or not as the moment they are registered, Ford has sold them to the dealer. This could be something to do with region and population size of Adelaide, if this was Brisbane, Sydney or Melbourne, those demos would have been swallowed up without outsourcing.....well you'd think so anyway. Last edited by jpd80; 06-02-2020 at 11:49 AM. |
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Toyota just put through an adjustment to the figures sent to REVTRAC - the reasoning was there was a "shortfall in VFACTS reporting quantities for January." If the numbers weren't changed they would have been at about 15% market share.
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Bent, this retraction by Toyota is the exact thing the new reporting is meant to stop, Toyota sends in an estimate of sales that then fall short..... Last edited by jpd80; 06-02-2020 at 11:52 AM. |
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I bought my territory from them. happy with the car but not the experience. If you look at Focus cars on carsales in SA you will see that a large % of them are from this dealer group. mostly demo km's around 3-5k. Rego's all very similar which means possibly all had their rego changed (ie, from interstate) at a similar time. that's just speculation by me though. I don't think its a ploy to gain numbers in vfacts. these cars would have already been registered when sold to the new car dealers. Not sure if any new car dealers have unregistered stock sitting around anymore.
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I'm just thinking on this sector - mid size SUV's if you call them that. I sure wouldn't think 490 Everests is anything to crow about, sure some will say its the profit, combined with Endura @ 129 the Ford SUV figure is 619. For such a huge catergry where Prado/Santefe etcetcetc are in can anyone get the the other mid size SUV figures for interests sake ? For the record Endura is a far rippa looking product on the road compared to Everest but thats my opinion.
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Numbers declared should be actual sales to customers be it private, fleet or Govco, not between the manufacturer and the dealer who can then wholesale them to themselves as we see here to then sit in a yard for God knows how long, it makes a mockery of the system. |
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Very few Dealers own their stock, most of it is on loan from the manufacturer, I remember when the Toyota dealer on Beach Rd Christies Beach went under back in the mid 90's and we were sent down on a minutes notice to take possession of the entire new car stock on orders from head office.
Back in those days CMI was the only Toyota Dealer in SA that owned its new car stock outright. Dealers have plenty of unregistered new car stock that hasn't even made it on to the forecourt yet, when I bought my Picanto I was led through a maze of filthy dirty Kia's/Suzuki's/MG's to see mine, none of them registered. Part of my job when I worked in Dealerships was doing new car rego's, you rego them on the day of delivery unless they we're a demo. My understanding of the new rules was that only sales to actual external customers we're to be counted, not internal transactions. |
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Demos are considered self limiting because if you're registering and selling most of your stock, then all the profit is lost. That's usually enough incentive not to over do it. |
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Fair enough, I spend quite a bit of time on multiple car sale sites and in all my time I have never seen a new car dealer outsourcing new cars with sub 100k's on the clock to used car yards.
As I said, it stood out immediately as an anomaly. That combined with the timing in regards to the new rules seems a little to convenient to me. |
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we just had Toyota revising sales numbers, that is exactly what it's all about, Toyota putting in sales estimates that it didn't reach....,.. |
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floor stock until sold, hence the pressure to move vehicles on. If certain vehicles are hard to move, the costs begin to pile up, so Ford and Holden will usually give a final payment to allow a strong discount and if that doesn't work, then the dealer can wholesale them to make way for fresh stock but that's normally a rare thing. In this case, Stilwell look to have more stock than it can move, focus is bloody hard to shift because of price. Last edited by jpd80; 06-02-2020 at 07:21 PM. |
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The circumstance being that Ford's SUVs are just so difficult to sell,
be that price, style or buyers just preferring Prado and other three row SUVs. Quote:
IMO, Ford's plate clearance prices are more in line with where regular prices should be, the moment buyers see those vehicles that are $6K-$8K dearer than other vehicles, they're off the list no matter how good they may be. This is where zero km demos come in.... Last edited by jpd80; 06-02-2020 at 07:42 PM. |
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