Government stimulus defeated in legal case.

Iggypoppin' · 31-03-2009, 09:31 PM

Apparently the stimulus package has all but been proven illegal and we won't be recieving our $900! Does anyone have any information or thoughts on this?I'm not sure on if there's a thread on this so mods delete if unnecessary.
N.B. I'm furious at this if it's true!

onfire · 31-03-2009, 09:43 PM

As much as Im for recieving $900.. think of it this way, no one's reaching into your pocket, pulling out $900. It wasnt ours to begin with.

Ps. K-Rudd's a joke.

4Vman · 31-03-2009, 09:47 PM

Any links to this news? So do those who already have it have to give it back?

MITCHAY · 31-03-2009, 09:48 PM

Man that sucks. It was going to top up what I spent on my car repairs

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ThePistonHead · 31-03-2009, 09:50 PM

This is the first I've heard of it. Do you have a link?

All i could find was this, they are just talking about how it may come out late.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...0-2702,00.html

RG · 31-03-2009, 09:51 PM

The case is still continuing tomorrow so I fail to see how it has been defeated.

Iggypoppin' · 31-03-2009, 10:50 PM

Apparently some politician argues it is illegal, and has a strong case for it being illegal. Would be nice to see some people leave that money alone so debt riddled people like me can erase that debt. Also , it might have something to do with how criminals and felons are recieving it too? Not sure on all the facts just heard it on the radio this morning and thought we'd see what you guys think.

boss-290 · 31-03-2009, 11:05 PM

Where did you here this.

I'd rather go with the facts rather than a good story.

Ralliart · 31-03-2009, 11:06 PM

This is so screwed up if this guy wanted to Staff up this payment he should've went went to Parliament and Voted Against it but no he has to do it 2 days before ato send all the money, don't these guys have anything else to do nothappy:

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: , , i swear if he win's this he'll be the be most hated Man if he successful, and i reallly hope he fails

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Originally Posted by boss-290

Where did you here this.

I'd rather go with the facts rather than a good story.

news.com.au

The Age Artical

http://www.theage.com.au/national/ru...0331-9i6g.html

News.com.au

http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...84-462,00.html

Iggypoppin' · 31-03-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by boss-290

Where did you here this.

I'd rather go with the facts rather than a good story.

Two seperate radio stations and The Advertiser.

**DJM83** · 31-03-2009, 11:16 PM

Ill wait till is actually cancelled before i read too much into it.

samsy351 · 31-03-2009, 11:20 PM

So if its proven illegal, what happens to the people who have already received it?

SM1DY · 31-03-2009, 11:20 PM

I'll be kicking myself if this gets passed, I got so excited and everytime I get my hopes up, it all turns out to be one big fart. Like back in school, when they told our class that we were going on a field trip to the cinema, and then at the last minute it was canned. I really wanted to see Harry Potter.

XRSIKS · 31-03-2009, 11:24 PM

yah, sucky, i was gonna use this money to pay off some debts...... STUPID OPPOSITION!!!!!!!!!!!

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svo347 · 31-03-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by samsy351

So if its proven illegal, what happens to the people who have already received it?

I heard on the 92.9 this afternoon that it would more than likely have to be paid back. And for some it will have to come out of tax returns etc

Ralliart · 31-03-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by svo347

I heard on the 92.9 this afternoon that it would more than likely have to be paid back. And for some it will have to come out of tax returns etc

thats pathic, now i reallly hope he fails now

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Hillbilly F Truck · 31-03-2009, 11:31 PM

Where was this bloke before? Just when it's time for the tax payers to receive their part of the economic package he's suddenly all full of ire.

prydey · 31-03-2009, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Any links to this news? So do those who already have it have to give it back?

no one has any of this payment yet. the payments that have been handed out already are the ones associated with family tax benefit.

the one in doubt is the one for all workers earning under 80 or 100K i think.

davez104 · 31-03-2009, 11:33 PM

Both those links only state that the handout is being challenged, which is old news, not that it has been defeated, which is what is implied by the OP.

Yellow_Festiva · 31-03-2009, 11:35 PM

I think it's a Uni lecturer who is doing this, not a Poly.

All I know for certain, is that if this guy 'wins' he will be lucky to get out of the country alive.

He won't be a well liked chap when millions of people have lost $900.

Mark^^ · 31-03-2009, 11:37 PM

Payments were/are due to start this Thursday, this part of the Economic Stimulus Package has not started yet.

High Court challenge regarding debate as to a gift or payment by previous National Party official and now Law Professor is still in progress. Argument is this is a gift and not possible via the Constitution.

Tax Department wants a quick outcome to meet their Thursday start date.

Ralliart · 31-03-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I think it's a Uni lecturer who is doing this, not a Poly.

All I know for certain, is that if this guy 'wins' he will be lucky to get out of the country alive.

He won't be a well liked chap when millions of people have lost $900.

Best Quote all Night Nice One

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Originally Posted by Mark^^

Payments were/are due to start this Thursday, this part of the Economic Stimulus Package has not started yet.

High Court challenge by previous National Party official and now Law Professor is still in progress.

Tax Department wants a quick outcome to meet their Thursday start date.

so they have get sorted out by 2mmow @ The lastest

Iggypoppin' · 31-03-2009, 11:39 PM

I'm only going by what was stated this morning. The politician apparently had a strong enough argument and it could likely be passed. Enough to worry me. The announcer also stated it has hefty illegality issues and it would need a reform if it was to fail now and attempt to be passed back through the senate.

Mark^^ · 31-03-2009, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralliart

so they have get sorted out by 2mmow @ The lastest

The High Court is a law unto itself and would not be dictated to by a Government Department's pressure to deliver by Thursday.

bigev · 31-03-2009, 11:46 PM

Definately was not a politician who bought the case. It was a Uni Professor specialising in Constitutional Law.

Basically, he says the Federal Govt does not have the right to hand out 'gifts'. He was not able to bring a case against it during the December payments as he was not going to get any money out of it and thus did not have a right to bring the case to court. He was/is going to be a recipient of the money this time around though.

Apparently the case is quite well regarded by the High Court, becasue if they thought this fellas argument had no merit at all, he would never have got a hearing in the first place.

Even though I have money earmarked for a new camera lens, I'd expect the government to NEVER break the constitution.

**Sorted** · 31-03-2009, 11:46 PM

Nothing on the TV Nightly News - if it wasnt going to happen they would be all over it

Phats · 31-03-2009, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bigev

Definately was not a politician who bought the case. It was a Uni Professor specialising in Constitutional Law.

Basically, he says the Federal Govt does not have the right to hand out 'gifts'. He was not able to bring a case against it during the December payments as he was not going to get any money out of it and thus did not have a right to bring the case to court. He was/is going to be a recipient of the money this time around though.

Apparently the case is quite well regarded by the High Court, becasue if they thought this fellas argument had no merit at all, he would never have got a hearing in the first place.

Even though I have money earmarked for a new camera lens, I'd expect the government to NEVER break the constitution.

Please, half their Knee Jerk laws in relation to terorrism, police surveillance, and the now bikie clubs are unconstitutional.
If im standing on a street with 2 or more friends, we can be charged with an offence. Now thats bs .

Phats · 31-03-2009, 11:59 PM

And on another note, it apparently would not be illegal if we were to receive these as a "Tax rebate". So dont get too disheartened fellas.

Ralliart · 01-04-2009, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorted

Nothing on the TV Nightly News - if it wasnt going to happen they would be all over it

yeah i know was watching the news espiallly 2night just for that but just now i was watching The SKY BUSINESS CHANNEL, and they saying The decision will be made 2mmmow

Iggypoppin' · 01-04-2009, 12:49 AM

Let's hope I was just jittery. And that this doesn't screw the 900. It might not all be going to the economy, but I will be buying some new clothes so.... I'd like to think I'll be helping.