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Got emailed this yesterday, (sorry if it's a repost).
I think someone is telling 'kaa kaa'.... What do you think? NEVER KNEW THIS BEFORE I wonder how many people know about this? A 36-year-old female had an accident several weeks ago and totalled her car. A resident of Wollongong, NSW, she was travelling between Wollongong & Sydney. It was raining, though not excessively, when her car suddenly began to hydroplane and literally flew through the air. She was not seriously injured but very stunned at the sudden occurrence! When she explained to the policeman what had happened, he told her something that every driver should know - NEVER DRIVE IN THE RAIN WITH YOUR CRUISE CONTROL ON. She had thought she was being cautious by setting the cruise control and maintaining a safe consistent speed in the rain. But the policeman told her that if the cruise control is on and your car begins to hydroplane -- when your tyres lose contact with the pavement, your car will accelerate to a higher rate of speed and you take off like an airplane. She told the policeman that was exactly what had occurred. The policeman estimated her car was actually travelling through the air at 10 to 15 kms per hour faster than the speed set on the cruise control. The poclieman said this warning should be listed, on the driver's seat sun-visor - NEVER USE THE CRUISE CONTROL WHEN THE PAVEMENT IS WET OR ICY, along with the airbag warning. We tell our teenagers to set the cruise control and drive a safe speed - but we don't tell them to use the cruise control only when the road is dry. The only person the accident victim found, who knew this (besides the policeman), was a man who had had a similar accident, totalled his car and sustained severe injuries. If you send this to 15 people and only one of them doesn't know about this, then it was all worth it. You might have saved a life.
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Yeah Des... a repost and a crock of ИИИИ too mate.
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If anyone actually believes that... my oh my...
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is there any merit about the cruise control accelerating tho when you hydro plane?
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What a load of BS as has been said.
Soon as you touch the brake pedal the cruise turns off, so as if you would suddenly take off. thanks for the laugh.
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gozza, I don't reckon you'd have too many troubles with the cruise control. The revs might flare up momentarily, but then it'd read overspeed and back off.
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cheers i don't know much about cruise control i aquaplaned the other night only doing about 100-105 in the wet...pretty hairy for a few secs...felt like i was on ice....my tyres are ratИИИИИ tho |
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All very interesting comments guys, but......
I used to work for a driver training company that has a 4 acre concrete sid pan (the same place where the SpringNats are held), this skid pan can be completely flooded with water and I can tell you that a hydroplaning vehicle gains speed. I did this weekly in cars and semi-trailers for over 7 of the 13 years I worked there. 1st point - If the cruise control is engaged then it is working off a speed sensor. 2nd point - If a car is hyroplanning that car is essentially doing what a water skiers does, sliding along on top of the water. The wheels of a car hydroplanning will slow down significantly (with out crusie on). I have seen this first hand and on heaps of training videos out of the States as well as from tyre manufacturers. Thats the feeling you have when you hit a deep bit of water after rain and your steering wheel jerks in your hands, and you can feel the car pull to one side and slow down. It normally frightens the ИИИИ out of ya! 3rd Point - ....so, if the wheels are not touching the road surface AND they are slowing down AND cruise control is on, THEN the car WILL accelerate up, as the computer is telling the wheels to get back to the pre-set cruise control speed. So.... the problem is definetly real.
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1) Most cruise systems use the speedo sender for their speed input. 2) Most Speedo drives are in the gearbox, picking up off the output shaft. Hence, the simple fact that the speedo drive is directly related to what the engine is doing means it can't happen. 3) The cruise systems generally have *very little* maximum throttle opening. So as a result I call Bullsh*t However, if for some stupid reason the thing used front ABS tone rings for its cruise control input, and didn't have traction control hooked in, then I can see how it would accelerate. However, if the car is aquaplaning, how can it accelerate when it has no traction? I know it can certainly feel like you've sped up when you start sliding on wet grass, but it defies logic for it to actually accelerate.
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my Falcon launches like an aeroplane and it doesn't even have cruise control....lol
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I will have to try that some time.
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It was in a AUII XR8 ute, manual... The water got under the wheels and the engine sped up quickly (like 2 sec). That was enough to cause the car to flick side ways. The rest of the ride I was just a passenger. 4 -360 spin on the road another 360 spin on the medium strip, took out the toll sign with the front left side of the ute and knocked out about 4 road reflectors....Blood scary ride..... I don't drive in the wet with cruise any more |
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speaking of cruise control
i dont know if this is for all models but my brother had an ef and the brake lights were out, this meant that when he put on the brakes whilst he was using cruise control, the car did not actually slow down, due to the fact that the crusie control is set up with the lights sensor or something. so in other words you might get a bit of a fright when the cc doesnt turn off, but clicking the off button will work even though braking doesnt! |
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Same as for clutch
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Couple of interesting post here now. Thinking out loud. With a BF fitted with ESP, this wouldn't be as much of a problem as the ESP would detect a total loss of traction and start doing whatever is necessary to aid return to normal, meaning it would be easier to regain control. This is how they program and test these set ups. In a BA with only traction control, am I right in saying that the traction control runs off of the ABS sensors? Then the traction controls would recognise that the front and rear wheels would have a large discrepancy and would apply the rear brakes and shut down power, therefore negating the cruise control (possibly even disabling it, though I'm not sure if that is programed in).
As to whether you accelarate when you aquaplane? I don't know, physics tells you that everything works at a loss, therefore unless your applying a physical motive force, you are under a constant or linear state of decelaration. You may initially accelarate possibly due to the aquaplane state having less friction, though you would soon start to slow down, all be it at less of a rate than if you had total traction. In a car with traction control or ESP, I reckon it would automatically switch off the cruise control. In a car without these I'm not sure anymore....
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I just find it impossible for a car to accelerate with no traction. No traction, means you can not accelerate. You know what happens if you try to accelerate hard in wet conditions, with only a little traction? You only accelerate slowly, although your WHEELS will start spinning faster, but the car will not gain much speed. So if I had no traction, the wheels would spin, yes, but the car would continue to carry its initial speed, not accelerate, but most likely DE-cellerate due to the friction being placed on the tyres by the water. Even if your speedo actually reads it is going faster, your car probably will not be, it will just be your wheels spinning faster. And add to the argument that the cruise control stops when it hits the specified speed, and you are travelling at this specified speed, why would it accelerate, (make the wheels go faster)? Because the car is De-cellerating due to the friction applied to the tyres by the water on which you are aquaplaning. If any of my points are wrong, I am sorry, it is just what I believe to be true, and the only way to learn is to listen and understand other peoples arguments, and debate them, and not argue, as you would not gain any knowledge.
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What about if the car was aquaplaning on a treadmill going the same speed in the opposite direction (someone had to say it)
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Even if it was true I don't have cruise control, I have the poverty pack on my car
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