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Old 25-05-2015, 01:57 PM   #1
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Default Ex-FPV engineers create 700Nm XR6T

Australian engineering group Premcar has created a 320kW/700Nm weapon of a Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo, based on ex-police vehicles.

Using second-hand ex-police cars as a base, Premcar then adds adjustable suspension, jointly developed by Premcar and Melbourne firm Shockworks, along with 19-inch forged FPR TSW Wheels wrapped in Kuhmo 91S tyres measuring 245mm up front and 275mm at the rear.

A revised intake, free-flowing exhaust and tweaks to the engine calibration liberates around 320kW/700Nm from the 4.0-litre turbocharged inline-six, with an engine oil cooler and transmission oil cooler added for extra durability.

Formed by the group known as Prodrive Australia when the Prodrive company decided to exit Australia in 2012, Premcar offer engineering services in Australia and China.

Premcar engineering director, Bernie Quinn, explains the logic behind the new project: “We basically needed something for the guys in the workshop to do between projects.”

“New South Wales Police Packs cars get Brembos, bigger oil cooler and are quite inexpensive for what's in there. The police turn them over at 80,000km, they're still under warranty.”

Having built a prototype vehicle, Premcar brought it along to a GT-F owners' night and sold three on the spot, cars that have just gone to their owners.

As they're based on second-hand vehicles, the cost of the Premcar Turbo is extremely low, with Quinn estimating the price at between $35,000 and $40,000 as a turn-key package, including the donor car.

The good news is that there is no reason why the modifications can't be performed to any XR6 Turbo, though using the ex-police vehicles as a base is the most cost effective way to do it.

The package is also extremely flexible, with the three current owners adding roll cages, video Vbox capability and more to make their cars true track weapons.

Quinn is happy to accommodate individual owners' needs, though he admits he “hasn't fully worked out how we'd do the non-turn-key option.”

For Australian performance enthusiasts starved of fresh metal, the Premcar Turbo offers a massive amount of performance for the money, along with the peace of mind that it is developed by the very people that handled local fast Fords since the first Falcon XR6 in 1992.

We're itching to get behind the wheel and hopefully will have a road test for you in the near future.





http://www.motormag.com.au/news/1505...ate-700nm-xr6t
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Wasn't there something about this car last year? (or is this a different Premcar XR6?)
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Bloody hell 700NM is crazy for a 4.0.

What sort of boost pressure would these cars be running to get that much torque???

Wonder how long the transmission will stand up to this sort of torque???

Great package for 40K too.
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Wasn't there something about this car last year? (or is this a different Premcar XR6?)
Yes there was - I think some of the members saw it and talked about it back in 2014 when they went on a big cruise and went to ProDrive
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This wouldn't be a hard package to throw together yourself, are Premcar offering something more than an aftermarket tuner?
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These are the ex-fpv guys? If they are able to, they should put together an FPV bodykit for the FG-X. Maybe with enough money thrown at them, they could produce Premcar Falcons for years to come.
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It's a ripper of a car, those of us there that night loved the potential and my son was drooling over it, I asked if they would also re look at what the miami's can do as well.
It's a great option for those looking for a stealth toy
If I was buying another falcon, I'd be signing up for sure
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Bloody hell 700NM is crazy for a 4.0.

What sort of boost pressure would these cars be running to get that much torque???

Wonder how long the transmission will stand up to this sort of torque???

Great package for 40K too.
700nm is all too easy for the Turbo 6. I suspect around 14psi for that power level. How long the ZF will last depends on how it's driven but I've had two ZF cars over 6 years making excess of 800nm with no issues yet.

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700nm is all too easy for the Turbo 6. I suspect around 14psi for that power level. How long the ZF will last depends on how it's driven but I've had two ZF cars over 6 years making excess of 800nm with no issues yet.

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Rear wheel figures are certainly achievable with minimal mods on an FG Turbo. If they are stating engine figures that would be a little disappointing. May as well buy an F6.

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On a scale of 1 -10 its about a 4 to what ford turbo sixes are on the streets already
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Doubt these will come with Nizpro input shafts...
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good too see they didnt use dunlops.
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Power wise, it's not anything special. As an all round package though, it seems to be good value for 40k including car.
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There's no indication what they're paying for the donor cars from what I can tell.
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My bog stock F6 is a nasty soul as is, that must be lethal in the wet!
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are these being emission tested to be legal?
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For those $$$ I think I would rather buy a 2nd hand F6
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Buy an FG turbo for 15k and do it yaself
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There's no indication what they're paying for the donor cars from what I can tell.
They go for around 22-24k at auction
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Nice concept, cheaper to do it yourself but some people can't be bothered so they should sell a few.
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Bloody hell 700NM is crazy for a 4.0.

What sort of boost pressure would these cars be running to get that much torque???

Wonder how long the transmission will stand up to this sort of torque???

Great package for 40K too.
Mate that torque from the turbo engine is easy. Can be had for a few thousand bucks easily and reliably, and have that 700Nm by 3000rpm too.
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Also I'll pay em to keep the stickers and grey crap
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This is a great concept.


However, there is no chance in hell I would buy an ex-police car.
As much as people rate them, until you see how they are driven on a daily basis your living in fantasy land.
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However, there is no chance in hell I would buy an ex-police car.
As much as people rate them, until you see how they are driven on a daily basis your living in fantasy land.
Would only buy this one

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I would trust premcar more than others to tune an XR6t/F6 considering they were "FPV" before ford cremated it. and should know how to safely tune something.
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I dont get it?

There is nothing wrong with the car or the idea but this is been happening for 10+ years. Whats new?
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