'Major announcement' from Toyota this afternoon

[BlueOvalPrint]

Speculation that Ford might pull down the shutters by the end of this year based on the current climate:

It came as a senior car industry source told Fairfax Media that all three car makers were deeply concerned at calls to ditch the existing 5 per cent import tariff, now Ford, Holden and Toyota had decided to leave the country within the next three years.
The source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said nothing was set in concrete when it came to departure, predicting that Ford was likely to pull out of Australia by the end of this year in any event, more than a year earlier than its announced 2016 closure date.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...#ixzz2t9krTNcM

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

1 and 2 Ford and Chev pickups.
3 Camry
4 Honda
5 Chrysler
6 Honda
7 Nissan
8-9-10 Ford, Toyota, Honda.

Not exactly supporting supporting the home product, but then they have a population of about 314 million. Not 22 million like us.

I wouldn't say that. The pickups together total 3 times the volume of the Camry
and the top ten is pretty evenly split between local product and Japanese imports (which for all I know are made there too)

[csv8]

BlueOvalPrint..if thats true..no FH ??

[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by prydey

do these clowns in parliament stop to think about the revenue brought in compared to the subsidies given?? the govt is well in front. how do these numpties even get in to the positions they do.

every worker there also pays tax. there's a lot less income tax the govt will be getting in the coming years. well thought out mr christenson.

3000 employees at toyota, 2000 at holden and 1000 at ford = 6000. Even if you take in all the employees at suppliers, theres no way the governments are ahead on taxes that they get back from the workers.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by simon varley

I wouldn't say that. The pickups together total 3 times the volume of the Camry
and the top ten is pretty evenly split between local product and Japanese imports (which for all I know are made there too)

Everything Jap in the top ten is made in the US

[XR Martin]

Holden claimed they get on average $150m a year from the Gov, their employees on average pay $130m in taxes a year

[neptune blue]

Originally Posted by prydey

i believe it is actually true, although most mainstream marques are shared, and the US even has some that australia doesn't, however i believe overall australia has the most marques and models available compared to US.

I can't believe Australia has more marques that Australia
Look at the the US manufactures and all the marques they produce
GM don't just build Camaro's
Pontiac, Buick, Oldsmobile Catalac and the rest
They have a huge amount of variants from 3 major manufactures then they have all stuff from the rest of the world which are cheaper and more readily available than here

Yes they have a larger population but I believe that their patriotism has a lot to do with why yanks buy their own cars

[XR Martin]

Pontiac and Olds are dead.

[Adamz Ghia]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-11/consumers-spoilt-for-choice-in-australian-car-market/5148410

[johnydep]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-11/consumers-spoilt-for-choice-in-australian-car-market/5148410

January 2014 U.S. Vehicle Sales Rankings By Model - Top 248 Best-Selling Vehicles In America - Every Vehicle Ranked http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/02...-by-model.html

#1 Ford F-Series 46,536 46,841 -0.7%
#2 Chevrolet Silverado 28,926 35,445 -18.4%
#3 Dodge Ram ¹ 25,071 20,474 22.5%
#4 Toyota Camry 23,332 31,897 -26.9%
#5 Toyota Corolla/Matrix 22,753 23,822 -4.5%
#6 Nissan Altima 22,515 21,464 4.9%
#7 Honda Civic 21,824 21,881 -0.3%
#8 Ford Fusion 20,717 22,399 -7.5%
#9 Honda Accord 20,604 23,924 -13.9%
#10 Ford Escape 19,459 19,939 -2.4%
#11 Honda CR-V 18,232 17,809 2.4%
#12 Toyota RAV4 16,880 11,610 45.4%
#13 Chevrolet Cruze 16,828 14,524 15.9%
#14 Hyundai Elantra 15,326 12,174 25.9%
#15 Chevrolet Equinox 14,547 17,223 -15.5%
#16 Nissan Rogue 13,831 8,951 54.5%
#17 Ford Explorer 12,810 15,207 -15.8%
#17.1 Ford Explorer * 11,696 14,554 -19.6%
#17.2 Ford Explorer Police Interceptor * 1,114 653 70.6%
#18 Jeep Grand Cherokee 12,207 11,065 10.3%
#19 Ford Focus 12,003 16,161 -25.7%
#20 Chevrolet Impala 11,898 14,153 -15.9%
#21 Chevrolet Malibu 11,822 15,823 -25.3%
#22 GMC Sierra 11,118 12,846 -13.5%
#23 Chrysler 200 10,912 8,846 23.4%
#24 Subaru Forester 10,771 6,565 64.1%
#25 Toyota Highlander 10,676 8,831 20.9%
#26 Jeep Cherokee 10,505 --- ---
#27 Kia Optima 9,979 11,252 -11.3%
#28 Toyota Tacoma 9,842 11,622 -15.3%
#29 Hyundai Sonata 9,815 13,247 -25.9%
#30 Volkswagen Jetta 9,768 10,522 -7.2%
#30.1 Volkswagen Jetta Sedan * 8,455 9,089 -7.0%
#30.2 Volkswagen Jetta SportWagen * 1,313 1,433 -8.4%
#31 Jeep Wrangler 9,553 8,854 7.9%
#32 Ford Edge 9,411 9,614 -2.1%
#33 Nissan Sentra 9,127 8,979 1.6%
#34 Nissan Versa 8,524 10,270 -17.0%
#35 Subaru Outback 8,230 8,632 -4.7%
#36 Kia Soul 8,092 7,382 9.6%
#37 Toyota Prius ² 8,008 10,559 -24.2%
#37.1 Toyota Prius Sedan * 7,205 9,685 -25.6%
#37.2 Toyota Prius Plug-In * 803 874 -8.1%
#38 Toyota Tundra 7,890 7,004 12.6%
#39 Honda Odyssey 7,879 6,760 16.6%
#40 Toyota Sienna 7,696 7,781 -1.1%
#41 Dodge Grand Caravan 7,290 4,965 46.8%
#42 Kia Sorento 7,098 8,005 -11.3%
#43 GMC Terrain 7,063 8,550 -17.4%
#44 Chrysler Town & Country 7,056 6,525 8.1%
#45 Hyundai Santa Fe 6,721 5,991 12.2%
#46 Chevrolet Sonic 6,587 7,177 -8.2%
#47 BMW 3-Series & 4-Series ³ 6,494 4,831 34.4%
#48 Volkswagen Passat 6,236 8,856 -29.6%
#49 Mazda 3 6,234 8,074 -22.8%
#50 Honda Pilot 6,224 7,405 -15.9%
#51 Dodge Journey 5,936 8,179 -27.4%
#52 Subaru Impreza 5,785 5,896 -1.9%
#52.1 Subaru Impreza * 4,252 4,590 -7.4%
#52.2 Subaru Impreza WRX * 1,533 1,306 17.4%
#53 Mercedes-Benz C-Class 5,748 7,214 -20.3%
#54 Lexus RX 5,607 5,394 3.9%
#55 Jeep Patriot 5,577 5,248 6.3%
#56 GMC Acadia 5,463 5,188 5.3%
#57 Chevrolet Traverse 5,368 6,770 -20.7%
#58 Nissan Pathfinder 5,308 6,281 -15.5%
#59 Mercedes-Benz E-Class 5,266 5,469 -3.7%
#60 Dodge Charger 5,200 6,411 -18.9%
#61 Dodge Dart 5,051 7,154 -29.4%
#62 Mazda CX-5 4,998 5,242 -4.7%
#63 Nissan Frontier 4,931 2,624 87.9%
#64 Subaru XV Crosstrek 4,801 2,764 73.7%
#65 Dodge Avenger 4,795 9,628 -50.2%
#66 Chevrolet Camaro 4,733 4,925 -3.9%
#67 Kia Forte 4,724 4,408 7.2%
#68 Cadillac SRX 4,446 4,380 1.5%
#69 Toyota Avalon 4,281 4,840 -11.5%
#70 Acura MDX 4,241 2,575 64.7%
#71 Hyundai Accent 4,240 3,495 21.3%
#72 Ford Fiesta 4,162 4,285 -2.9%
#73 Dodge Durango 4,128 3,380 22.1%
#74 Jeep Compass 4,068 3,116 30.6%
#75 Nissan Maxima 3,975 2,992 32.9%
#76 Lexus ES 3,959 5,186 -23.7%
#77 Toyota 4Runner 3,958 4,485 -11.8%
#78 Ford Mustang 3,881 3,608 7.6%
#79 Chevrolet Captiva Sport 3,765 3,936 -4.3%
#80 Ford Taurus 3,713 5,638 -34.1%
#80.1 Ford Taurus * 3,033 4,934 -38.5%
#80.2 Ford Taurus Police Interceptor * 680 704 -3.4%
#81 Hyundai Tucson 3,533 3,493 1.1%
#82 Chevrolet Tahoe 3,514 3,619 -2.9%
#83 Buick Enclave 3,509 4,895 -28.3%
#84 Nissan Juke 3,442 2,361 45.8%
#85 BMW 5-Series 3,269 2,585 26.5%
#86 Mazda 6 3,172 2,147 47.7%
#87 Kia Rio 3,162 2,470 28.0%
#88 Chrysler 300 3,145 5,325 -40.9%
#89 Honda Fit 3,122 3,156 -1.1%
#90 Buick Verano 3,120 3,660 -14.8%
#91 Lexus IS 3,048 1,386 120%
T92 Infiniti Q50 † 2,949 --- ---
T92 Buick LaCrosse 2,849 3,548 -19.7%
#94 Mercedes-Benz M-Class 2,824 2,928 -3.6%
#95 Audi Q5 2,774 2,344 18.3%
#96 BMW X5 2,754 4,084 -32.6%
#97 Subaru Legacy 2,735 3,184 -14.1%
#98 Acura RDX 2,730 2,489 9.7%
#99 BMW X3 2,699 2,005 34.6%
#100 Kia Sportage 2,587 2,422 6.8%
#101 Audi A4 2,498 2,755 -9.3%
#101.1 Audi A4 Sedan/Avant * 2,194 2,456 -10.7%
#101.2 Audi A4 Allroad * 304 299 1.7%
#102 Fiat 500 2,493 2,503 -0.4%
#103 Lincoln MKX 2,479 1,829 35.5%
#104 Toyota Prius C ² 2,467 2,691 -8.3%
#105 Dodge Challenger 2,458 3,497 -29.7%
#106 Mercedes-Benz CLA-Class 2,433 --- ---
#107 Infiniti QX60/JX 2,380 1,970 20.8%
#108 Buick Encore 2,366 353 570%
#109 Mercedes-Benz GLK-Class 2,302 2,396 -3.9%
#110 Chevrolet Corvette 2,261 908 149%
#111 Cadillac CTS 2,232 2,505 -10.9%
#112 Nissan Murano 2,188 2,996 -27.0%
#113 Ford Expedition 2,139 2,492 -14.2%
#114 Lincoln MKZ 2,122 453 368%
#115 Volkswagen Beetle 2,034 2,232 -8.9%
#115.1 Volkswagen Beetle Coupe * 1,284 1,730 -25.8%
#115.2 Volkswagen Beetle Convertible * 750 502 49.4%
#116 Toyota Venza 1,993 3,371 -40.9%
#117 Cadillac ATS 1,909 2,781 -31.4%
#118 Chevrolet Spark 1,848 2,408 -23.3%
#119 Mitsubishi Outlander Sport 1,838 1,350 36.1%
#120 Hyundai Veloster 1,821 1,759 3.5%
#121 Mazda 5 1,800 1,880 -4.3%
#122 Volkswagen Tiguan 1,777 2,114 -15.9%
#123 Toyota Prius V ² 1,730 2,522 -31.4%
#124 Volkswagen Golf 1,712 2,649 -35.4%
#124.1 Volkswagen Golf GTI * 865 915 -5.5%
#124.2 Volkswagen Golf * 839 1,532 -45.2%
#124.3 Volkswagen Golf R * 8 202 -96.0%
#125 Chevrolet Suburban 1,705 2,292 -25.6%
#126 Ford Flex 1,650 1,615 2.2%
#127 Cadillac XTS 1,648 1,900 -13.3%
#128 Land Rover Range Rover Sport 1,612 1,251 28.9%
#129 Mercedes-Benz GL-Class 1,541 2,015 -23.5%
#130 Nissan Xterra 1,518 997 52.3%
#131 Mazda CX-9 1,490 2,116 -29.6%
#132 Audi A6 1,481 1,259 17.6%
#133 Hyundai Genesis 1,459 2,472 -41.0%
#134 Lexus GX460 1,443 733 96.9%
#135 Buick Regal 1,434 1,005 42.7%
#136 Ford C-Max 1,418 2,725 -48.0%
#137 Acura TL 1,368 1,497 -8.6%
#138 Mini Cooper 1,358 2,266 -40.1%
#138.1 Mini Cooper Hardtop * 832 1,654 -49.7%
#138.2 Mini Cooper Clubman * 221 209 5.7%
#138.3 Mini Cooper Convertible * 163 141 15.6%
#138.4 Mini Cooper Coupe * 84 97 -13.4%
#138.5 Mini Cooper Roadster * 58 165 -64.8%
#139 BMW X1 1,332 1,165 14.3%
#140 Volvo S60 1,322 1,954 -32.3%
#141 Infiniti G/Q60 † 1,315 2,815 -53.3%
#141.1 Infiniti G Sedan * 902 2,184 -58.7%
#141.2 Infiniti Q60 & G37 Coupe/Convertible * 413 631 -34.5%
#142 Lexus GS 1,300 1,099 18.3%
#143 Lexus CT200h 1,290 1,001 28.9%
#144 GMC Yukon 1,287 1,690 -23.8%
#145 Mercedes-Benz S-Class 1,281 938 36.6%
#146 Audi Q7 1,268 889 42.6%
#147 Nissan Leaf 1,252 650 92.6%
#148 Scion xB 1,225 1,267 -3.3%
#149 Land Rover Range Rover 1,221 1,156 5.6%
#150 Honda Crosstour 1,176 1,273 -7.6%
#151 Mitsubishi Mirage 1,170 --- ---
#152 Honda Ridgeline 1,163 1,252 -7.1%
#153 Toyota FJ Cruiser 1,162 1,232 -5.7%
#154 Porsche Cayenne 1,158 1,500 -22.8%
#155 Acura ILX 1,157 1,558 -25.7%
#156 Cadillac Escalade 1,110 1,547 -28.2%
#156.1 Cadillac Escalade * 704 857 -17.9%
#156.2 Cadillac Escalade ESV * 381 518 -26.4%
#156.3 Cadillac Escalade EXT * 25 172 -85.5%
#157 Scion tC 1,107 1,264 -12.4%
#158 Mini Countryman 1,074 1,416 -24.2%
#159 Nissan Armada 1,029 1,198 -14.1%
#160 Infiniti QX80/QX56 1,023 1,168 -12.4%
#161 Toyota Yaris 1,005 2,897 -65.3%
#162 Volvo XC60 942 1,566 -39.8%
#163 Mitsubishi Outlander 941 613 53.5%
#164 Kia Cadenza 927 --- ---
#165 Audi A5 925 1,200 -22.9%
#166 Scion FR-S 921 1,443 -36.2%
#167 Chevrolet Volt 918 1,140 -19.5%
#168 Mazda 2 907 1,543 -41.2%
#169 Mitsubishi Lancer 900 2,196 -59.0%
#170 Acura TSX 893 1,326 -32.7%
#170.1 Acura TSX Sedan * 796 1,130 -29.6%
#170.2 Acura TSX Sport Wagon * 97 196 -50.5%
#171 Nissan Titan 887 1,394 -36.4%
#172 Volkswagen CC 881 1,192 -26.1%
#173 Land Rover Range Rover Evoque 879 929 -5.4%
#174 GMC Yukon XL 865 1,196 -27.7%
#175 Porsche 911 792 877 -9.7%
#176 Toyota Sequoia 787 1,180 -33.3%
#177 Hyundai Azera 762 797 -4.4%
#178 Nissan Quest 735 978 -24.8%
#179 Fiat 500L 729 --- ---
#180 Jaguar XF 658 511 28.8%
#181 Infiniti QX70/FX 645 592 9.0%
#182 Lincoln MKS 635 909 -30.1%
#183 Lexus LS 634 1,077 -41.1%
#184 Audi A7 624 698 -10.6%
#185 Land Rover LR4 599 564 6.2%
T186 Subaru BRZ 592 463 27.9%
T186 Scion xD 592 624 -5.1%
#188 BMW 7-Series 575 583 -1.4%
#189 Porsche Panamera 546 588 -7.1%
#190 Volkswagen Touareg 544 962 -43.5%
#191 Smart ForTwo 521 481 8.3%
#192 BMW 6-Series 507 424 19.6%
#193 Infiniti Q70/M 489 413 18.4%
#194 Volvo XC90 459 506 -9.3%
#195 Kia Sedona 442 363 21.8%
#196 Nissan 370Z 440 331 32.9%
T197 Acura RLX/RL ‡ 420 13 3,131%
T197 Mercedes-Benz CLS-Class 420 553 -24.1%
#199 Nissan Cube 402 536 -25.0%
#200 Jaguar XJ 394 401 -1.7%
#201 BMW X6 382 380 0.5%
#202 Lincoln Navigator 375 589 -36.3%
#203 Land Rover LR2 363 300 21.0%
#204 Lincoln MKT 362 411 -11.9%
#205 Volkswagen Routan 359 241 49.0%
#206 Lexus LX570 356 332 7.2%
#207 Volvo S80 352 176 100%
#208 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class 339 390 -13.1%
#209 Audi A8 337 504 -33.1%
#210 Hyundai Equus 327 253 29.2%
#211 Volvo V60 322 --- ---
#212 Porsche Boxster 320 392 -18.4%
#213 Honda Insight 317 319 -0.6%
#214 Porsche Cayman 280 1 27,900%
#215 Honda CR-Z 267 358 -25.4%
#216 Volvo XC70 261 334 -21.9%
#217 Mercedes-Benz SLK-Class 258 325 -20.6%
#218 Toyota Land Cruiser 257 277 -7.2%
#219 Chevrolet SS 232 --- ---
#220 Mazda MX-5 Miata 212 315 -32.7%
#221 Chevrolet Caprice PPV 200 237 -15.6%
#222 Infiniti QX50/EX 197 168 17.3%
#223 Volkswagen Eos 183 250 -26.8%
#224 Jaguar F-Type 177 --- ---
T225 BMW Z4 166 152 9.2%
T225 Scion iQ 166 295 -43.7%
T227 Volvo C70 122 173 -29.5%
T227 Mercedes-Benz G-Class 122 176 -30.7%
#229 Jaguar XK 118 117 0.9%
#230 Audi TT 113 127 -11.0%
#231 Mini Paceman 111 --- ---
#232 Subaru Tribeca 86 159 -45.9%
#233 Audi R8 81 49 65.3%
#234 Nissan GT-R 79 48 64.6%
#235 BMW 1-Series & 2-Series ³ 75 304 -75.3%
#236 Dodge (SRT) Viper ¹ 47 --- ---
#237 Cadillac ELR 41 --- ---
#238 Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG 35 36 -2.8%
#239 Mercedes-Benz CL-Class 33 54 -38.9%
#240 Chevrolet Avalanche 31 1,939 -98.4%
#241 Mitsubishi Galant 17 224 -92.4%
T242 Acura ZDX 14 31 -54.8%
T242 Chevrolet Colorado 14 822 -98.3%
#244 Volvo C30 12 166 -92.8%
#245 Mercedes-Benz R-Class 2 7 -71.4%
T246 Hyundai Veracruz 1 32 -96.9%
T246 Mitsubishi i MiEV 1 257 -99.6%
T246 GMC Canyon 1 302 -99.7%
#249 Jeep Liberty --- 2,035 -100%
#250 Suzuki SX4 --- 826 -100%
#251 Suzuki Kizashi --- 286 -100%
#252 Suzuki Grand Vitara --- 234 -100%
#253 Audi A3 --- 231 -100%
#254 Suzuki Equator --- 140 -100%
#255 Mitsubishi Eclipse --- 14 -100%
#256 Dodge Caliber --- 13 -100%
#257 Mitsubishi Endeavor --- 5 -100%
#258 Cadillac DTS --- 3 -100%
#259 Lexus LFA --- 3 -100%
#260 Buick Lucerne --- 2 -100%
#261 Chevrolet HHR --- 1 -100%
#262 Mazda RX-8 --- 1 -100%
#263 Ford -Brand ^ 147,521 161,672 -8.8%
#264 Toyota -Brand 124,717 136,621 -8.7%
#265 Chevrolet -Brand ^ 119,089 137,304 -13.3%
#266 Nissan -Brand ^ 81,472 73,793 10.4%
#267 Honda -Brand 80,808 84,137 -4.0%
#268 Dodge/Ram -Brand ¹ ^ 60,938 64,214 -5.1%
#269 Hyundai -Brand 44,005 43,713 0.7%
#270 Jeep -Brand 41,910 30,318 38.2%
#271 Kia -Brand 37,011 36,302 2.0%
#272 Subaru -Brand 33,000 27,663 19.3%
#273 GMC -Brand ^ 27,733 30,816 -10.0%
#274 Mercedes-Benz -Brand ^ 23,892 23,578 1.3%
#275 Volkswagen -Brand 23,494 29,018 -19.0%
#276 Chrysler -Brand 21,113 20,696 2.0%
#277 Mazda -Brand 18,813 21,318 -11.8%
#278 BMW -Brand 18,253 16,513 10.5%
#279 Lexus -Brand 17,637 16,211 8.8%
#280 Buick -Brand 13,278 13,463 -1.4%
#281 Cadillac -Brand 11,386 13,116 -13.2%
#282 Acura -Brand 10,823 9,489 14.1%
#283 Audi -Brand 10,101 10,056 0.4%
#284 Infiniti -Brand 8,998 7,126 26.3%
#285 Lincoln -Brand 5,973 4,191 42.5%
#286 Mitsubishi -Brand 4,867 4,659 4.5%
#287 Land Rover -Brand 4,674 4,200 11.3%
#288 Scion -Brand 4,011 4,893 -18.0%
#289 Volvo -Brand 3,792 4,875 -22.2%
#290 Fiat -Brand 3,222 2,503 28.7%
#291 Porsche -Brand 3,096 3,358 -7.8%
#292 Mini -Brand 2,543 3,682 -30.9%
#293 Jaguar -Brand 1,347 1,029 30.9%
#294 Maserati -Brand 567 172 230%
#295 Bentley -Brand 192 188 2.1%
#296 Suzuki -Brand

[lucas2]

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

3000 employees at toyota, 2000 at holden and 1000 at ford = 6000. Even if you take in all the employees at suppliers, theres no way the governments are ahead on taxes that they get back from the workers.

Thats income tax, I wonder how much more money the government gets when those workers spend their money on groceries and other everyday items (GST), then on petrol for cars, houses (stamp duty and what not), and then spend money on local businesses for their goods/services.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by neptune blue

I can't believe Australia has more marques that Australia

I know what you meant though, I can't believe we have more than USA either actually.

Shows how companies are willing to try their cars here despite the much lower population, knowing the local product will/would be ignored.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by lucas2

Thats income tax, I wonder how much more money the government gets when those workers spend their money on groceries and other everyday items (GST), then on petrol for cars, houses (stamp duty and what not), and then spend money on local businesses for their goods/services.

And then add the costs of welfare to those of the 6000 that don't get work immediately, never mind the others in support roles.

The closure of the Automotive industry will cost this country more than keeping it alive.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

And then add the costs of welfare to those of the 6000 that don't get work immediately, never mind the others in support roles.

The closure of the Automotive industry will cost this country more than keeping it alive.

Dont forget taxes on the sales of the cars management salary taxes (probably 2 billion there) and tax on all inputs from all parts suppliers, service providers etc.

I guess 'they' (dont know who they are or if they can count) try and add it all up to determine the 'real' 'cost' and or benefit.

JP

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-11/consumers-spoilt-for-choice-in-australian-car-market/5148410

One figure in that article needs a little more explanation from the author.

There are more than 60 brands sold in Australia, far more than in the United States despite the nation's much smaller population, and the vast majority of cars Holden builds here are sold domestically.

But according to VFACTS in 2013 there were only 45 makes available (44 if you take out Opel).

Alfa Romeo
Aston Martin
Audi
Bentley
BMW
Caterham
Chery
Chrysler
Citroen
Dodge
Ferrari
Fiat
Ford
Holden
Honda
Hyundai
Infiniti
Jaguar
Kia
Lamborghini
Lexus
Lotus
Maserati
Mazda
McLaren
Mercedes-Benz
MINI
Mitsubishi
Morgan
Nissan
Opel
Peugeot
Porsche
Proton
Renault
Rolls-Royce
Saab
Skoda
Smart
Ssangyong
Subaru
Suzuki
Toyota
Volkswagen
Volvo Car

Unfortunately that list of US cars isn't comprehensive either, it is a summary of the models and not all, just the top 248 best selling. It skips a few brands and unlike our vfacts doesn't show the breakdown of models, i.e. Ranger 4x2 and Ranger 4x4, Toyota Prius, Prius C, Prius V, etc. I am sure there are far more than 248 models.

All of ours with the breakdown into individual models for ALL makes available is 375 according to VFACTS

[XR Martin]

Great Wall
FPV
HSV
Fotun
Jeep
Land Rover
Tesla
Isuzu
Mahindra
LDV

[Wretched]

still missing more than 5 according to that article.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

3000 employees at toyota, 2000 at holden and 1000 at ford = 6000. Even if you take in all the employees at suppliers, theres no way the governments are ahead on taxes that they get back from the workers.

i didn't say the govt were ahead due to income tax. the revenue generated by the auto industry would far outweigh the subsidies. the income tax is just another revenue stream for the govt that is about to dry up.

[GCRXR6]

Originally Posted by robertjp

Looking further down did you see the Avalon, will they try and resurect the ads for one if they do? :

Blimey....and use Sir Les Patterson again?

[Adamz Ghia]

I think they include trucks as well when they say we have more brands, I remember reading that.

[Gadgetman]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Take the 25% Tariff away and lets see how the pickups fare.
That is where most of their profit comes from.

Increase our Tariffs to 25% and see how many more people choose territories over klugar and cx9

[Gadgetman]

We as a country are stupid to not protect our industry. When you take into account the import tariffs most countries have that protect their local producers.

[Gadgetman]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Great Wall
FPV
HSV
Fotun
Jeep
Land Rover
Tesla
Isuzu
Mahindra
LDV

Arbarth

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Gadgetman

Arbarth

I would consider FPV, HSV and Abarth models and not marques.
They're not seperated by VFACTS and come under the parent organisation as they should. Otherwise you'd need to have AMG, M sport, Quattro.

[johnydep]

Originally Posted by Gadgetman

Increase our Tariffs to 25% and see how many more people choose territories over klugar and cx9

Ahh, the good old days - blue collar workers only able to purchase 15 - 20 year old cars at premium prices. Spare parts worth more than the car. Electrical goods taxed at 21%.....

[Gadgetman]

Originally Posted by Wretched

I would consider FPV, HSV and Abarth models and not marques.
They're not seperated by VFACTS and come under the parent organisation as they should. Otherwise you'd need to have AMG, M sport, Quattro.

Abarth is a Brand. Go tell Mr Toyoda that Lexus is a model.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Gadgetman

Abarth is a Brand. Go tell Mr Toyoda that Lexus is a model.

Abarth are what AMG is to Mercedes, a factory backed tuner, nothing more. They don't manufacture their own cars. They pump out performance based vehicles based on the donor car of their parent organisation. Again like FPV, HSV, etc. Don't agree take it up with VFACTS.

Lexus is a completely different manufacturer to Toyota, just like Lamborghini is to Audi is to Volkswagen.

[Gadgetman]

Originally Posted by johnydep

Ahh, the good old days - blue collar workers only able to purchase 15 - 20 year old cars at premium prices. Spare parts worth more than the car. Electrical goods taxed at 21%.....

Yup and an XR6 was $45k. Guess you saying that we are better off now with consumers getting more for their coin at the cost of local manufacturing. And if you are, there is nothing wrong with this either. You would be with the majority of Australians that think that way. For what its worth though, blue collar workers did buy local, it was the rich that bought premium brands. Now the blue collars are buying 5-10 year old preowned prestige instead of locals and dying a million deaths when they get their service bills.

[Gadgetman]

Originally Posted by Wretched

Abarth are what AMG is to Mercedes, a factory backed tuner, nothing more. They don't manufacture their own cars. They pump out performance based vehicles based on the donor car of their parent organisation. Again like FPV, HSV, etc. Don't agree take it up with VFACTS.

Lexus is a completely different manufacturer to Toyota, just like Lamborghini is to Audi is to Volkswagen.

suppose you're gonna tell me next that a LX570 is a completely different car to a 200 series Landcruiser. Release the grip from your finger and palm mate.

[johnydep]

Originally Posted by Gadgetman

Yup and an XR6 was $45k. Guess you saying that we are better off now with consumers getting more for their coin at the cost of local manufacturing. And if you are, there is nothing wrong with this either. You would be with the majority of Australians that think that way. For what its worth though, blue collar workers did buy local, it was the rich that bought premium brands. Now the blue collars are buying 5-10 year old preowned prestige instead of locals and dying a million deaths when they get their service bills.

There was no XR6 in the 70's and early 80's.

Import Duty, Taxes and assistant packages during the 70's and 80's did not help the foreign owned Australian built car industry - Leyland closed up, Chrysler sold out, Nissan closed up, GM-H almost shut the doors and had to cut costs everywhere, Ford cut costs by dropping models and engines.

The car industry is not the only manufacturing that we have in Australia.

Protectionism taxes only hurt the average wage earner, who is also the majority in society and keeps the economy running strong.

There's a lot more to hitting everything with a big tax to try and save it. The economy has many facets to it, it's always changing, evolving and developing. Countries that don't change and develop get left behind.

It's sad that we've lost our car industry, but the writing has been on the wall since the late 1970's. Several changes in Government have not been able to save them, nor should they. Mitsubishi took a hand full of Government dollars and closed up, Ford took another lot of Tax dollars and announced closure - both under the Labor governments watch. Gm-h and Toyota have done the same.

Will the Government give my business a hand out if I can't make a profit? Will it help me pay the wages of my staff? Will you?

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