Church Of Climatology

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by snappy84

care to elaborate or post a link or somthing

sorry i dont have a link . it was a story about a farmer, i think in queensland who the govt ruled his land unable to be cleared to increase his farm size because of some carbon ruling .
reading between the lines one can assume it's more about controlling where our food will be coming from and where will the profits be going , not carbon.

[Falcon Coupe]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/980...e-summit-opens

The spin begins.....

Children were the focus at the opening of the Copenhagen climate summit, which kicked off with an alarming video showing a young girl having a nightmare about global warming.

Thousands of delegates and journalists watched as the girl saw her playground turned into a desert wasteland, and screamed as she battled terrifying floods.

It sounds more like they were watching a clip of 2012 the movie.

[MO]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/980...e-summit-opens

The spin begins.....




It sounds more like they were watching a clip of 2012 the movie.

OMG,if thats the start whats the rest of the propaganda going to be like?

[ltd]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/980...e-summit-opens

The spin begins.....




It sounds more like they were watching a clip of 2012 the movie.

Despicable.
These fraudsters and scam artists perpetuating this "climate change" dogma should all be tried for treason and shot. Notice Kruddy refuses to debate the science with Abbott, and that he has given the liberals another spray of "denialists". And they call Abbott the religious zealot; what about their cultish behaviour?
Abbott is a catholic but he's not trying to push his views on to anyone, Krudd is a warmenista and he's trying to push his views and ETS on the lives of everyone. Who's the zealot?

[SB076]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/980...e-summit-opens

The spin begins.....




It sounds more like they were watching a clip of 2012 the movie.

Read the same article.... they are really pulling out all stops to try and convince people of the need to act now (Danish Prime Minister I beleive said its not too late but we must act now)

Now I beleive we should look at improving the enviroment and should cut emissions and reduce waste, simply because it would be good to have a cleaner world in which to live in. However the way this is being pushed and use of children as propoganda concerns me. Why cant they simply submit the facts and discuss that? Interesting that the a lot of the worlds leaders see it fit to fly with their envoys to Copenhagen to discuss climate change yet they fail to mention the carbon cost of doing so....

[Cobra]

Absolutely unbelievable....

[rodderz]

The spin they are putting on this crap is unbelievable. The annoying thing is everyone seems to label the doubters of climate change as conspiracy theorists etc, but there is ample evidence in front of us that the Copenhagen agreement and ETS is about much more than the environment. If you look at the comments on all the stories on the news websites, 90% of people seem to denounce the agreement yet the press doesn't report that side of it.

A bloke from NASA on the ABC Lateline last night was saying that the ETS/Climate change deals are a waste of time as the big companies will always stay with the cheapest forms of energy and running costs, which is what is currently available. They will simply pay the tax, increase prices and keep operating as usual.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by SB076

Interesting that the a lot of the worlds leaders see it fit to fly with their envoys to Copenhagen to discuss climate change yet they fail to mention the carbon cost of doing so....

Good point, why didn't they fly commercial? That would make a statement. Or better yet do it via teleconference.

Kevin's recent trip to the US was an example of something that could have been done over the phone.

[rodderz]

Originally Posted by cs123

Kevin's recent trip to the US was an example of something that could have been done over the phone.

Unless the topic on the agenda has to be done in person, without the threat of possible heard conversations?

[Wally]

Anyone watch James Hansen on Lateline last night?

here's a news trailer to get an idea of his stance:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...ction=business

edit: Aplogies Rodderz, I did didn't see your post

[rodderz]

Originally Posted by Wally

Anyone watch James Hansen on Lateline last night?

here's a news trailer to get an idea of his stance:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...ction=business

edit: Aplogies Rodderz, I did didn't see your post

yeah saw that. He seemd totally against the ETS, but thought climate change was definately real. I was waiting to hear a question to him on whether there was any natural causes to the climate change ie. weather cycles, but it wasnt asked. He did mention that there has been natural climate change throughout the ages before where there was drought, ice ages and everything inbetween, but didnt mention whether whats happening now was it just happening again.

[irlewy86]

Originally Posted by rodderz

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A bloke from NASA on the ABC Lateline last night was saying that the ETS/Climate change deals are a waste of time as the big companies will always stay with the cheapest forms of energy and running costs, which is what is currently available. They will simply pay the tax, increase prices and keep operating as usual.

I didn't realise he was an economist?

[rodderz]

For those who don't know a hell of a lot about the deal being done in Copenhagen, and what it involves and who benefits, check out this little vid-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA6FS...layer_embedded

Great video and explains the whole thing easy to understand and gives examples. Cheers to one of the ls1 guys who found it. It really highlights how the system is already being manipulated to suit big business and make millions out of not saving the environment.

[Romulus]

Fortunately the Copenhagen Summit has no legally binding treaties, hampering any possible succesfull CPRS/ETS/Cap and Trade system. Australia won't commit if India and China won't commit. The government won't plow ahead with a binding agreement for it knows it will be political suicide now that the opposition doesn't support it.

[Romulus]

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[XRQTR]

Loved Tony Abbots closing on Lateline tonight.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by rodderz

For those who don't know a hell of a lot about the deal being done in Copenhagen, and what it involves and who benefits, check out this little vid-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA6FS...layer_embedded

Great video and explains the whole thing easy to understand and gives examples. Cheers to one of the ls1 guys who found it. It really highlights how the system is already being manipulated to suit big business and make millions out of not saving the environment.

That video is all well and good, but it assumes that climate change is fact. It certainly exposes the scheme as just a useless tax that will make everyone else rich except the poor consumer.

If governments actually believed climate change existed, and there was nothing financially to be gained in a carbon credit system, they would actually look at implementing real solutions to tackle the problem.

[Wally]

Originally Posted by XRQTR

Loved Tony Abbots closing on Lateline tonight.

Yes he tried it on. LOL Tony Jones trapped him though, in accepting James Hansen's assessment, resulting in a bit of back peddling when he realised there was an admission of climate change and a taxation in the mix.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by XRQTR

Loved Tony Abbots closing on Lateline tonight.

He had Tony Jones stumped didn't he. You could see where Jones wanted the discussion to head - I was waiting for Abbott to ask Jones if he thought the NASA scientist believed human interaction was responsible for the last ice age.

Abbott also made a good point about KRudd's last interview on Lateline. He suggested he get the PM on the program and scrutinise his ETS policy.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by TVS Super Pursuit

He had Tony Jones stumped didn't he.

Did he? Not from where I was sitting.

As for the KRudd comment at the end, it was probably a case that they haven't been able to get him on the program. Fair point from Abbott, but it is quite common for politicians to avoid interviews unless there is a need to do them.

[|||]

Originally Posted by Steve Raskovy from One Nation

According to my observations, the biggest contributors / culprits to these problems are the ever increasing number of aeroplane flights, which, with their strong, direct and immediate turbulances and emissions, upset the natural formation of the rain clouds in the Southern hemisphere, which results in 'global warming', because there are not enough rain clouds in the atmosphere to absorb some of the heat of the sun.

In accordance to this reasoning the same thing is responsible for the 'global cooling' in the Northern Hemisphere. Again there are not enough rain clouds to become snow clouds, and thus absorb some of the cold temperature in the process, in the atmosphere, hence the 'global cooling' in the Northern Hemisphere.

I became aware of these occurrences some years ago, when I came out of my house on a semi cloudy day, an aeroplane flew past and I could see the sky was blue approximately 1 metre wide on both sides of the plane. This reminded me of what we were taught in 'nature studies' at school, I believe these days it is called 'environmental science'.

this guy knows the story. meanwhile rudd is off on his taxpayer funded jet making the problem worse by disturbing cloud formations!

[XRQTR]

Well I'm waiting for one of the alarmists on here to start ringing the bells on the latest reports, apparantlky the last 6 months will be a definite increase in the average temps.

You know I always thought the average was taken over the whole year not just the 6 months that suits them best. Can you also then please give us the total average figure for the year?? You know like, for the WHOLE year :

[XRQTR]

Originally Posted by Wally

Yes he tried it on. LOL Tony Jones trapped him though, in accepting James Hansen's assessment, resulting in a bit of back peddling when he realised there was an admission of climate change and a taxation in the mix.

riiiight

And TJ never back pedalled at any point did he, hmmm

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by XRQTR

Well I'm waiting for one of the alarmists on here to start ringing the bells on the latest reports, apparantlky the last 6 months will be a definite increase in the average temps.

You know I always thought the average was taken over the whole year not just the 6 months that suits them best. Can you also then please give us the total average figure for the year?? You know like, for the WHOLE year :

Steff... Love ya work!
That was the VERY thing I thought when I heard the past 6 months crap on the news!
The spindoctors are in over-drive at every opportunity with this.
God help us if we have a repeat of another Black Sat. over summer.
Because, NO WAY will it be blamed on lack of back burning, or the greenies keeping plebs from collecting firewood from the bush, or councils stopping people from cutting their trees down!... It'll be blamed fair & square on the almighty climate change!

[olfella]

Originally Posted by XRQTR

Well I'm waiting for one of the alarmists on here to start ringing the bells on the latest reports, apparantlky the last 6 months will be a definite increase in the average temps.

You know I always thought the average was taken over the whole year not just the 6 months that suits them best. Can you also then please give us the total average figure for the year?? You know like, for the WHOLE year :

An average is just that. We have hot spells and cold snaps, floods and droughts but that is over thousands of years not just in our lifetime. I prefer to go by what the geologist say rather than these so called climate scientists. They seem to forget we are living on a living planet.

Same with water. We know what it is made of but we cannot make it. There is just as much water on the planet as there was millions of years ago - only difference is its distribution.

[MO]

I've been wondering all day if when Mr Rudd gets his turn to address this Copenhagen gabfest if he'll open with the following........."Hi my names Kevin,I'm from Australia and I'm here to help.........."

[XRQTR]

How ironic, on the same day that we are told we are in the hottest 6 month period in 20 years, this pops up

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...heading-to-wa/

Now before you start speculating the exact point, I believe he says it best when he mentions that this is unique in that it's the most intact an iceberg has remained this far North.

[rodderz]

Originally Posted by XRQTR

Well I'm waiting for one of the alarmists on here to start ringing the bells on the latest reports, apparantlky the last 6 months will be a definite increase in the average temps.

You know I always thought the average was taken over the whole year not just the 6 months that suits them best. Can you also then please give us the total average figure for the year?? You know like, for the WHOLE year :

Bloody oath the amount of media stories coming out as well about how the earth will keel over just about like a baked chip in 5yrs is astounding. All the leading stories the last few days have been about moving icebergs, hottest year in years (isnt every year the hottest?), or some bloke cant enjoy his ice cream any more as global warming melts it in 5 seconds flat.

But i spose there has also been some stories telling it from the other side as well, and the comments section on the news sites seems overwhelmingly very suspicious of the ETS and the treaty. I reckon you could no longer label it as a conspiracy, as everyone seems to realise the scam behind it all now.

[MO]

Well there is your proof of coming ice age,all the ice bergs are coordinated to collide with W.A. and start forming up into a glacier.

[Bobman]

We beat many records in this single year alone - 2009 in Victoria.

Doesn't sound normal to me.

There is nothing wrong with reducing pollution, but it should not be at the expense of the little guy.