First drive - Ecoboost!!

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by predator

You would think Ford might have thought just a little ahead, and given it some easier upgrade paths, because it seems like a good package to tune in theory. Would have helped gain some sales?

I doubt Ford had aftermarket tunability on there agender...its ment to be a "eco friendly" car...

[burnz]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Performance mods are limited by what you have to work with,
All a Camry driver can do is unbutton his cardigan......

the 2ltr (the slug) that gives me a hard time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57SPmtdbstg

[duaned]

Originally Posted by burnz

the 2ltr (the slug) that gives me a hard time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57SPmtdbstg

That is freaking awesome! Reminds me of a Datsun 1200 wagon I had for my first car. Put a 1600 in it with twin SU's, zorst and the rest of the goodies. No hairdryer but spun the wheels no problem. I then bought a magna

[MRFGXR6]

Hmmm they should pull out that 4 banger and put in the V10 Supercharged hydrogen motor as used in the states. Should fit as its shorter than the I6 and similar width to the V8. It will keep the tree huggers happy and we can still have awesome grunt. Come on Ford…………………………….maybe the GT!

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Microfuler injector in the inlet port and bigger turbo, intercooler.
All the stuff serious modifiers do when they set out for serious power.

There are some 1000-1200 hp XR6 Turbos running around so it's highly probable
that someone will take it upon themselves to have the first 500-600 hp EB 20...

Extra injectors is an 80's way of adding more fuel though isn't it, what they used to do before aftermarket bigger injectors became available. There's probably a reason they no longer do that as its not very precise.

Originally Posted by jpd80

Ecoboost is completely different to any other DI turbo set up, they use unique
combinations of know engine strategies that Ford has patented in their software
to prevent other companies reverse engineering and copying.

That part throtle richnes which was a hallmark of turbos has been replaced by
"lean boosting" with a lot of EGR and precise ignition timing- cam timing- DI pulses
to make the fuel efficiency claims workstop and stop the whole thing going bang

This also makes the adding of an extra injector in the intake a risky proposition if the standard tune is so complex, it could easily bugger all this lean boosting startegy to the shizzhouse.

I believe the Ecoboost tuning strategy would be too complex to handle something as dinosaur as adding an extra injector.

Makes me wonder why you can't just buy bigger direct injectors, or take some higher flowing ones from a bigger engine. Might need some further research to answer my curiosity regarding this.

[jpd80]

Boss, you were the one who just said you can't fit bigger injectors, i find that hard to believe.
Once people begin heavily modifying, the factory tune is out the window anyway....

I was just putting up suggestions regarding fuelling solutions but most likely,
the aftermarket is already full of solutions to making brual HP and eager for the cash...

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Boss, you were the one who just said you can't fit bigger injectors, i find that hard to believe.
Once people begin heavily modifying, the factory tune is out the window anyway....

I was just putting up suggestions regarding fuelling solutions but most likely,
the aftermarket is already full of solutions to making brual HP and eager for the cash...

From what I can gather so far its true, you can't replace the injectors in a direct injection engine with bigger aftermarket ones. I'll keep researching this.

[Bossxr8]

Still reading the same thing, no one makes aftermarket direct injectors or compatible fuel pumps.

Yet. Surely it will have to happen sooner or later.

[Franco Cozzo]

You'd be physically limited by size wouldn't you as in DI systems the injector is actually right in the head, and sprays into the combustion chamber.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Still reading the same thing, no one makes aftermarket direct injectors or compatible fuel pumps.

Yet. Surely it will have to happen sooner or later.

With Ecoboost going into so many vehicles around the world, I'm betting we will see solutions in the next few years,
the market is far too big for the aftermarket to ignore... it also means the cost of conversion parts will be reasonable too..

[Nikked]

Just new(ish) technology...like back whe EFi was first appearing.

[Brazen]

it appears that there is a extra factor for some state goverment fleets when buying fleet cars, it's not just co2 but also engine capacity. Most state fleets have an above 2 litre threshold as well the 200gram co2 threshold but this is never mentioned by the media. Meaning if a department orders an operational vehicle from the state goverment, a Ecoboost Falcon will be on the same pricing category as Cruze and Corolla, and cheaper than the Camry as it is in the next category above with its 2.5 litre engine. Ecoboost could be a game changer in this sense.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

You'd be physically limited by size wouldn't you as in DI systems the injector is actually right in the head, and sprays into the combustion chamber.

Yeah, considering the injector screws down into the head the injectors would have to be the same size and shape physically to fit.

[Chilliman]

Don't rule out aftermarket hi-flow cylinder heads complete with higher flowing injectors. Expensive - yes...but if you're at the stage of swapping the turbo and rebuilding the engine anything's possible.

As it was mentioned before - the market for this engine is huge; Volvo, Land Rover and a heap of Fords. The scope for the aftermarket will be correspondingly huge!

[kevino]

Just looked up Ecoboost on carsales.com.au, everyone is listed a 6cyl in the header details and also show 9.9ltrs per 100klms.

This type of misinformation does not help.

[prydey]

it just means carsales need to update their options. most clearly say ecoboost, 2L or 4cyl in the description. nothing you can do about the rest of it until carsales updates their site options.

[kevino]

How good would this engine be in a Focus?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by kevino

How good would this engine be in a Focus?

It is going in the Focus, the 2L ST Focus coming out next year I think.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

It is going in the Focus, the 2L ST Focus coming out next year I think.

Now if that were a EB 2L RWD Focus I suspect there would be some extra interest.

[MITCHAY]

Will be interesting to see some of these things tuned.

[4.0i OHC]

Originally Posted by flappist

Now if that were a EB 2L RWD Focus I suspect there would be some extra interest.

You actually bring up an interesting point. Why can't the Mondeo be RWD? The Mondeo is already a huge car and makes great use of its vast interior space. RWD would set it apart from the pack of midsizers flooding the market over there. We've all seen the magic that Ford of Europe have worked on the current Mondeo; imagine what they could do with RWD! It opens the scope for some manic hero models to go against C63 etc. A tow vehicle without having to resort to some Landcruiser type thing. Make it available with the whole range of diesels, as well as both grades of EcoBoost, and I6 LPI. The only problem I can think of would be weight.
Those in Europe would go gaga over a Mondeo I6, and if that were to eventuate, the Falcon could finally have a worthy replacement. Enthusiasts would jump on it, as you're essentially getting a cheaper yet larger Ford 3 series, especially now that BMW have moved to Turbo 4s. I6 LPI (due to low carbon dioxide emissions) could find a market there; huge torquey engine with low fuel costs and relatively low tax.

[FreddyDUZ747]

With Fords rear end success of late I hope it stays FWD if a Focus or Mondeo gets the nod for EB.

[4.0i OHC]

Originally Posted by FreddyDUZ747

With Fords rear end success of late I hope it stays FWD if a Focus or Mondeo gets the nod for EB.

Control Blade was undoubtedly a failure of epic proportions. However, you must consider that it was an adaptation of an effective suspension design for undriven wheels only done on a meagre budget. In the scenario that I propose, Ford of Europe (with a far larger budget) would design a proper IRS (such as that double wishbone effort featured in the AU) which copes well with RWD, or even a completely new design (multi link doesn't have to mean epic fail, just look at BMW). Ford of Europe have been very successful with their recent attempts at rear suspension.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by 4.0i OHC

Control Blade was undoubtedly a failure of epic proportions.

slight over reaction i think.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by 4.0i OHC

Why can't the Mondeo be RWD? The Mondeo is already a huge car and makes great use of its vast interior space.

You've answered your own question.


FWD allows more interior room as the engines take up less space due to the transverse mounting, and there is no bulky tail shaft tunnel.

[FreddyDUZ747]

Originally Posted by prydey

slight over reaction i think.

The B series on design is nowhere near as good as the AU,new models are supposed to learn from older models.This leads me to label it a faliure sorry.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by 4.0i OHC

You actually bring up an interesting point. Why can't the Mondeo be RWD? .

New Fusion is available as AWD so they have a powered IRS in the back of it now.
Switch fronts with either Falcon or Mustang and Voila, one RWd sedan..

4.0, why do you continually grizzle and sook about the IRS in Falcon?
I have a couple of friends with new S/C GTs who report the latest version is much better than their previous F6s.
It seems like Ford has made the necessary changes with bushing -something that should have happened years ago..

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by 4.0i OHC

You actually bring up an interesting point. Why can't the Mondeo be RWD? The Mondeo is already a huge car and makes great use of its vast interior space. RWD would set it apart from the pack of midsizers flooding the market over there. We've all seen the magic that Ford of Europe have worked on the current Mondeo; imagine what they could do with RWD! It opens the scope for some manic hero models to go against C63 etc. A tow vehicle without having to resort to some Landcruiser type thing. Make it available with the whole range of diesels, as well as both grades of EcoBoost, and I6 LPI. The only problem I can think of would be weight.

EUCD is loosely based on C1, thats first and foremost why its FWD but will soon be AWD capable with the 2013 models. Its European roots also dictate a narrower body so that it actually fits on the road properly.

Those in Europe would go gaga over a Mondeo I6, and if that were to eventuate, the Falcon could finally have a worthy replacement. Enthusiasts would jump on it, as you're essentially getting a cheaper yet larger Ford 3 series, especially now that BMW have moved to Turbo 4s. I6 LPI (due to low carbon dioxide emissions) could find a market there; huge torquey engine with low fuel costs and relatively low tax.

Now youve lost me. Europe would want to stick with their diesels anyway

[My poor XF]

Originally Posted by FreddyDUZ747

The B series on design is nowhere near as good as the AU,new models are supposed to learn from older models.This leads me to label it a faliure sorry.

Still hardly a failure of "epic" proportions.

[JimStone]

Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

EUCD is loosely based on C1, thats first and foremost why its FWD but will soon be AWD capable with the 2013 models. Its European roots also dictate a narrower body so that it actually fits on the road properly.

Narrower body?????