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- if I have made a decision to purchase a new car, then if I pay $40k for the petrol or an extra $3k ($43k) for the diesel, is not going to have a huge impact on me, as it is a one off cost that will be forgotten about in a month. - the extended range and greater economy per tank of the diesel is something I will notice every time I fill up for the life of the car. Once the price of petrol and diesel stabilise again (if you think petrol is always going to be this cheap, your kidding yourself) the extra savings per week will be appreciated as it effects me EVERY WEEK. - if you take the petrol v diesel territory, max Torque arrives at 3250rpm, and max kW arrives over 5000rpm for the petrol meaning for 90% of the cars life, the wife never gets to explore the cars capabilities unless she gives it a hard time (which she is not going to do.) In the diesel, every time she takes off from the lights max torque is available from 1800rpm which is why the car feels so effortless to drive and why she loves it. It's why diesel cars are better, and why electric cars will rock in 30 years time as the technology improves, as they make max torque from idle. Have a read about the tesla if you want to see what the future holds..... |
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I am getting under 8lt / per 100kms in my manual BT50 with the same engine as what the Everest has. When I fill up it has a range of over 1100kms on the dash.
My XR6T averages up around 13lt / per 100kms with a range of about less than half that. Two very different animals but both give you a smile in different ways when you give it some go pedal.
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Stop starting is a diesel engine's enemy, which is what 90% of them do these days.
Common sight when pulling an EGR valve on a city driven diesel engine. ![]() Common sight when pulling a DPF filter on a city driven diesel ![]()
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Of course the diesel version of that vehicle has even better economy still, but not enough to drag me away from petrol. I found the performance of both the petrol and diesel in normal driving virtually identical. The NRMA operating costs guide again rates them as the same. That fuel saving doesn't save you much in the whole picture and you would struggle to recoup the additional original investment. You would want to prefer diesel for other reasons. I've worked with electric transportation in another field - tell me about acceleration and all that fabulous torque from 0 km/h! |
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I have been a massive diesel fan for years, but with the new GTDi engines many of their advantages are rapidly disappearing. Tezza's comparison of the Territory above is fair, but not something to get too fixated on when you put the ecoboost engine into that mix. Max torque on the 2.0 is available from 2000rpm
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Excellent point Simon, one I was trying to make.
and I apologise for taking the thread into a diesel vs Petrol argument but I didn't start it The Ecoboost will give you that low rev diesel like pulling power, as well as extra grunt when required. if only it was available in a car with a diesel comparison to look at economy figures see below 2.7V6 diesel ford Territory 140 kW 440 N·m 2.7V6 ecoboost ford F150 242 kW) @ 5750 rpm, 508 N·m) @ 3000 rpm plus future emission requirements will kill all the economic benefit of a diesel
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I think it's a fair discussion point as the Everest will have both petrol and diesel (at least in some markets if not here)
consider Kuga: 2.0 ecoboost 178kW@5500rpm 345Nm from 2000-4500rpm 8.8l/100 2.0 duratorq 132kW@3500rpm 400Nm from 2000-2500rpm 5.5l/100 what the ecoboost looses out in max torque it more than makes up for in the usable rev range. |
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Probably what mine looked like after we had it, plus add in the intake manifold and voila. POS. I did however put DPF cleaner and diesel cleaner through it on alternating fuel tanks in case.
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Can't take those tug of war tests too seriously, I have seen the Amarok V Ranger one twice now, and the current results are a draw. I'm a little surprised in the drag race since often hear the Ranger doing 10 seconds to 100kmh and the Amarok 11 seconds. But I have found the Ranger auto sometimes holds gears a little to long with your foot on the floor, its probably quicker to change gears yourself. But I can't say I have done too many tests on drag racing the Ranger though. As for Petrol in the Everest, it's probably a good idea, as someone pointed out the DPF likes to get clogged in city driving, which I am sure a high percentage of Everest's will spend most of their time. |
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![]() I don't think id go back to petrol engines after having fun with diesels, wouldn't mind fiddling with an Ecoboost engine though. |
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The Amorak probably works better treating it just like a petrol engine.
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They said in the dirt drag race test that both of the cars were put in 4x4.
How is this possible with the Amarok seeing as all it has is permanent AWD with a very very low 1st gear, and a centre Torsen diff??
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lolol
I often wondered what we would prattle on about once the Falcon and Commodore performance wars are gone. I see it's going to be diesel crew cab utes....
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I'll be very much looking forward to the Everest and the Edge being released.
It is apparent a medium SUV thingy will be in my driving future and it looks like the Edge will fit the bill. The current Territory unfortunately won't get over the line as SWMBO reckons it's too big and I am not the slightest bit interested in the Kuga. The Edge really represents my only chance of getting back into a Ford as a daily.
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Amarok has two different 4wd systems - only top of the range ultimate is permanent 4wd. Others are part time selectable 4wd or selectable 4motion in vw speak.
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The Europeans and Australians are much smarter at getting maximum internal space out of a package. The Australians are going. That leaves .... This factor and FWD knocks the Edge out of consideration for me. I think you should convince swimbo to take the Territory while it's still there, because it's a class act that won't be repeated by Ford. Re Everest, I found this Ford ghost web page on the internet, not completed yet. Coming soon? http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/Conte...YPage&site=FOA |
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Diesel is more efficient design to start with , combined with forced induction it is better suited for heavy vehicle applications . Trucks and buses aside , 4wd vehicles that tow are mostly diesel powered - petrol ones double their fuel use under heavy load.
As for passenger cars including pretend 4wd (suv) diesel can be a less economical choice due to purchase cost and price of diesel in Australia - i generally drive both petrol and diesel versions of the car and buy what drives better. Some diesel cars (kia sportage comes to mind) drive a lot better with diesel option. I think if falcon was made available with diesel option it would sell in good numbers , especially as a wagon . |
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Missed the other 4 mentioned? Don't you hate it went you quote someone but don't read their posts. Everest will be good but it's got to beat the best and that includes non tangible things like reputation hassle free motoring all the time not just occasionally. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Depends if you count the cars my business owns then yes, personally I always by Subaru. 15 years and still nothing but an oil change. Can't even claim that record from the toyotas I have but the best performer and worst repairer goes to the D4 HSE. The seven hilux's are all nudging 370k and look tired but haven't skipped a beat. But they are maintained properly and have had a few parts replaced (plastic water pumps and some brake cylinders). Yea there is a new Prado in ther it replaced two CRD patrols. Again no trouble from them. The D4 has been replaced by a Tundra and it's awesome but hardly a quality car compared to say a 200. Oh and there is 79 series in there two. By far the best of the lot for durability. Drives like **** but the perfect work platform on wheels. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Good thing is they don't cost that to a company. Delete GST, take off fleet, gold and income tax and it's real cost is closer to $75k and then it's a drop in the ocean compared to other overheads like wages. In my line of work a new car costs about $5 hour to own and run. Not much at all. You buy what you need. Had a ford falcon once in 2003 as my work car and it had a major warranty repair every service. Cost 36k to buy. Sold it three years later for $8k. Nice. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Of all the vehicles we run at work (over 500) Nissan has to take the cake as the least reliable of the lot. The GU Patrols are shocking and they've been building the stupid things for 17 years. Both the D22 and D40 Navaras arnt much better.
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back in 2006 when we started Ranger and had the goal of toppling the HiLux I thought we were dreaming. I knew we could take a good bite out of the sales, but I never thought we'd be on the point of overtaking. If the Ranger can do it to HiLux I'm confident the Everest can do the same to Prado.
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I have heard the 3.0L Nissan engines are far from the best. I know 6 people at work who have one. 4 have had problems costing thousands in repairs. 1 of those 4 needed a new engine at 220,000kms. I only remember that because he said he was considering putting a 6.5 chev in it.
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The CRD is ok, but we kept one D22 with 400k on it including the apprentice who drained the front diff and added 7L of oil on the old 9l and it coughed and died two weeks later. Air filter and intake covered in oil. Thought that was it but the mech. Just drained her and refilled both the diff and sump and she lives on today. Goes as good as the day it was bought. The body and tray are shagged but the bits that spin seem completely in affected and will go on for another 400k I reckon. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Interior images released, on a dealership page in Brisbane.... tapatalk not letting me search if they are elsewhere on the forum... they have 14 pictures on there.
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A few more photos released, Everest Production version.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/341610/2...oduction-trim/ No interior shots so still haven't seen one without the cream colour. |
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