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Our schools have a duty of care to our children. I'd been to them several times to sort this out but they lacked in that duty of care and I was more than prepared to call in lawyers. Bullying can push & has pushed children to an unfortunate edge and so there's no game playing here. It's very serious. Some people may think calling in lawyers is extreme, I don't! When you think of the ramifications of bullying, it's not an outrageous step at all.
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I got bullied a lot in primary school and high school for the most trivial things, having long hair and listening to heavy metal, so I was a pretty different kind of guy anyway...
I got beaten up in primary school at the age of 10, by more 10 year olds. I went to a private primary school and a primary high school in Western Australia, and where I grew up it was predominantly Italian families, and I also got bullied because I wasn't Italian. One day I actually had a classmate come up behind me on the computer with a piece of fishing line and try to choke me, and looking back on it I don't know why, but I didn't ever do anything about it, didn't hit him back, didn't cry, just went on doing my work... This kind of bullying went on from about year 5 through to year 11. What happened was in year 11 I got my first girlfriend, and then it turned out that she was just trying to find ways that her and her *** mates could really get to me and hurt me. When I found out that she was actually sleeping with one of these guys I asked her about it, and she laughed in my face and said "why would anyone ever love you?" and that actually did make me cry.. Anyway when this guy started laughing as well, I just ended up swinging blindly at him and turned out that I broke his nose, gave him a black eye, broke his arm and gave him concussion. I got suspended from school after that, however all those folks who bullied me after that stopped bullying, they all just gave me shifty looks from there on. Looking back on it now, honestly I don't feel remorseful from what I did, because everyone and especially that pair broke my heart and really hurt me. And mid last year it surprised me talking to some people from high school, what that pair was up to. He in in prison for drug possession and she fell pregnant at 17, living on the dole, and is an ice addict. The only downside to all this is that this girl's toddler is going to grow up with her and most likely not have a dad, and could well end up being bullied or become a bully herself when she goes to school. Being out of school almost 5 years now and working and paying bills in the big world there are still bullies out there, but most of the time they are easier to handle. Interestingly a lot of real estate agents are real bullies, just my observation..
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Getting the school principal involved is the start.....If no satisfaction, the education department and the police.
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However he is probably one of those idiots that won't learn..... IMA, I don't want it to look like I'm proud of resorting to those methods, as I'm not....Just incase others think different....I'm just putting the costs out there for future reference.
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A wheel alignment fixes everything, when it comes to front end issues. This includes any little noises. Please read the manual carefully, as the these manufacturers spent millions of dollars making sure it is perfect.....Now why are there so many problems with my car, when I follow the instructions to the letter?....Answer, majority rules round here Lock me up and throw away the key because I'm a hoon....I got caught doing 59 in a 60 zone |
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Bit of a sad story their stagg, good to see youve bounced back and realized how pathetic these people really were.
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where i live, a certain bikie group has a pretty firm hold here. The young kids who are friends or know the bikies siblings aspire to be them, and spend alot of time in the "supporters clubhouses" wearing their shirts, running errands etc. These are young kids. I dont really have a problem with the actual members, because i know to keep to myself and there will be no issue........... i am however very wary of these kids/teens who like to cause trouble out in public places trying to show thier authority, becuase of who they hang out with regulary. I could fold them without a sweat, however the domino effect is what you need to fear... |
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So I heard <insert forum> members are having a "group meeting" at <insert names> house?
![]() Jokes aside, good on you for keeping your head screwed on. Also, what chevypower said.
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This thread became a conversation at home last night after my little guy came home with a story about being punched in the face by a class mate. He has just started Grade 2 and is a reserved kid, seems to make friends no problem but quiet.
This is the 2nd time he has been on the receiving end from same puncher. Teachers were made aware of first instance. Principle was brought in at the 2nd. I've told my boy not to take it. If you are hit again - 3 strikes, you're out - punch him back. Then go tell your teacher what you have done and why. I'll take it from there. I feel for the little fella in this thread, cant believe I am now seeing my own son having to deal with this crap. I'm expecting it to be sorted out quickly so they can move on, I hope I am right. |
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sorry to hear that. The other kid will most probably have his parents contacted and spoken to, but it really wont reverse the way he's been brought up so will happen again but in other ways like intmidation, stealing lunch etc
my little boy in prep last year had a lot of trouble with a little brat who punched him, stood on his lunch, tried to push him down stairs, and when i asked my son to punch him between the eyes.... only once so he gets the point, my son say he cant..... because the other kid is 'tougher' because he does karate. Its hard trying to explain to a little kid that other little kids are full of **** lol |
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that is actionable assault and police can and should be called........a visit from uniform officers to the principal and parents usually nips it in the bud
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I've been through it over the years, my eldest son put up with a bit for while, i eventually told him to strike back but this just got him suspended. Just this week he told me one of his school mates had recently taken her life due to bullying, brought it all rushing back. I came across one of these martial arts experts at school once. I went to a private Catholic College where the majority were Italian or Asian. In yr 10 i found myself in a situation where this guy wanted to teach me a lesson and having known him for about 7 yrs i knew he had progressed up the ranks of Jujitsu. Anyway, one day we were heading on to the oval for PE when he made some remark which brought it all to a head. I stopped, turned to him and said take your best shot, to which he gave me 3 quick punches to the face. My nose split, as did my lip and my vision went blurry as the 3rd punch landed on my eye. Everyone had stopped and looked including the PE teacher, at which time i spat out some blood, looked him in the eye and reminded him that despite my superficial injuries i was still standing. I then mentioned that in the near future he would discover what i had to offer, but that could wait until his suspension was served, he was marched away and went missing for a week. Upon returning he decided we should proberbly be friends from then on. One thing i must question though in all of this, is bullying really that much worse than 30yrs ago, or, are kids just less resilient in how they cope emotionally to ridicule these days? |
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I got into a fight at school and didn't retaliate when I was about 11 (I would never say I was bullied). My dad said to me "Next time someone crosses you, smash him". That is exactly what I did. After punching a few "tough guys" to the ground, nobody messed with me for the rest of my schooling. I was never suspended because I never started the fight. |
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Nipping it in the bud is what I want to do. If there is any evidence that this has continued today, I wont hesitate taking this further. Am expecting a phonecall within the hour from my wife with an update. I don't wont this kid picking on anyone else either, but I'll be sure to let his parents know that choosing my son as a target will be a problem for all concerned. He had a great year last year and this one has started exceptionally well in regards to his education - I wont stand for anyone interfering with that. |
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I really feel for your little fellers and really at a loss as to what I would do........I just thank the stars I raised my Kids out here where folks gather for simply enjoying each others company, any problems with kids are sorted out over a beer or three
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Right on the money.....These days, the assault laws are fairly tough and being hit without provication warrants an assault charge being laid.
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A wheel alignment fixes everything, when it comes to front end issues. This includes any little noises. Please read the manual carefully, as the these manufacturers spent millions of dollars making sure it is perfect.....Now why are there so many problems with my car, when I follow the instructions to the letter?....Answer, majority rules round here Lock me up and throw away the key because I'm a hoon....I got caught doing 59 in a 60 zone |
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if you reported that to my local police where i live, you would get laughed at and be told to take it up at the school......quote.. . "its not a police matter"
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Well now it is getting close to home.
Just found out my nephew in year 4 was apparently beat up by four year 6 kids. His dad, my brother, will not take too kindly to this and will go postal if the school doesn't do anything. |
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My advice to my younger brother and sister was the same advice that was given to me. The first time you tell a teacher. The second time you do what ever you need to to defend yourself. After that I'll deal with the school. No child should fear going to school ever for any reason.
My sister was pinned to the ground and punched in the head by a bigger girl. She took my advice and got her steel ruler and cracked the girl with the side of the ruler across the face. Worked like a charm and wasn't bullied again. Just a matter if standing up for yourself... |
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My boy started prep this year and I hope he dosen't get bullied, because I don't know if I could control myself. I'm glad I'm reading this as alot of it makes good sence. But I reckon all that would go out the window, if I found out he was being bullied. As I've grown up with the atitude of an eye for an eye. I also know of alot of ways to get people without having to worry about the law. But I know it isn't right it's just, I've had a shady past. But it's all behind me now, and my missus is very sensible. So I reckon I would let her handle it and just keep out of it. But if she couldn't using the right channels, like what's been mention. Then my past will come back.
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at the risk of being labelled the AFF lawyer I would like to submit a couple of articles for parents of school age kiddies
http://www.lawhandbook.org.au/handbook/ch06s03s03.php http://www.elizsthps.sa.edu.au/docs/bullying.pdf these were found after 2 minutes of searching, there is literally tons of info regarding this matter....your child has rights.....schools have obligations, protect the one and maintain the other.......search and increase your knowledge if my kiddie/grand kiddie was getting bullied or assaulted I would not stand idly by........there are many lines of defence for him/her find out your rights and more importantly the rights of the child, couple that with the obligations of the relevant authorities and stop your child becoming a victim if they are of the computer age get their login details and scrutinise their inputs......many suicides have begun just like this
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The police along with schools have a duty of care to people....This thread falls under that category...
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A wheel alignment fixes everything, when it comes to front end issues. This includes any little noises. Please read the manual carefully, as the these manufacturers spent millions of dollars making sure it is perfect.....Now why are there so many problems with my car, when I follow the instructions to the letter?....Answer, majority rules round here Lock me up and throw away the key because I'm a hoon....I got caught doing 59 in a 60 zone |
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Simple.
Firstly, keep cool, make an appointment to meet the principal and whatever you do, don't get emotional. Keep records of conversations. Be as calm and as detached as you possibly can be. Remember, the principal deals with parents all day long and is used to over-protective parents exaggerating problems. Meet with the principal. Tell them you're not happy with the response thus far and it is affecting the lives of your two children. Tell them you want them to grow up normally and not have to suffer unrelenting abuse which leads to depression and suicide and it is in fact the schools duty to intervene and put a stop to it. Tell the principal that should this bullying continue you'll be forced to take it to the education department. This should normally end it, and you should get a response. Contact the education department and outline all that has happened. Again, keep records, even ask people their full names and record them. You may need records later. If all of this fails and the education department fails to act you can try what my sister once did with a catholic school: Tell them you'll be forced to get your uncle/brother/father in law etc involved. Don't tell them what he allegedly does, make them ask. Answer them with "he is a barrister, and he's really disgusted at what's been happening to my kids and he said something about failing a duty of care and damages?" Be vague on the last bit too as though you're asking a question. Why an uncle etc? Simply so they think you'll be getting free legal representation and will take it all the way. In my sisters case I would have got a mate Dion who was a barrister sign some correspondence to give it weight if they failed to act, but they promptly pooped themselves and watched the actions of the offending boy over a week and promptly expelled him when they caught him in the act.
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Do you have proof of the death threats? like a text message or facebook inbox or something? Surely with the wife of bully assaulting your kid and proof of threats, something could be sorted out between the school, police and yourselves.
If the police show up at the principles door step inquiring as to what is happening, some drastic matters will be done quick smart.
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Thou shalt not bully.
Plain and simple, from the earliest age this should be taught. It should be discussed in the earliest classes. Non of this soft touch stuff. Kids should be TOLD what constitutes bullying, what the results of bullying are and give them alternatives to bullying. Hell, kids are just trying to find their place in the world, most (not all) bullys are have been bullied at home from the age zero. From what I've read, the response of the parents of the bullier (have I just invented a new word?), is aggressive. I guess I could say more on this subject. |
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very disturbing to have these losers tormenting constantly to the point they are following and using others to continue crap.. what ever retaliation you take can either fix the problem or back fire..
for the last year my wife and i were getting harrassed or bullied by our ferrel neighbours. it started cracking me as i'm a happy go lucky guy who always finds the peace to not start trouble.. after they drained the oil out of my wifes car, i cracked... went to my neighbour and his son and basically made them an offer on the spot that they didn't refuse..i was on full on adrenaline rage and went there for war. They realised that my machette had their name on it and he crapped himself and appologised and told me to calm down, etc.. i made it clear i was going to burn his house down while his family were sleeping. i had enough. pretty embarrasing for me when i calmed down cause i was someone i hadn't seen before.. i think about it today and shake my head. it could have been worse in many ways. i have mates who associate with the wrong crowd but never wanted them involved, also i think it would have made me look like a pussy by hiding. maybe thats what we looked like by letting it go for too long. its easy to say get into a roid rage and go nuts but what happens next? my solicitor at the time told me to count my losses and move. i didn't listen, but, i was lucky how it turned out. maybe move if you can, save yourself and your family.. especially your kid.. enrole him into martial arts for self defence.. .. dunno man.. you don't want junior to be depressed..not good.. |
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i think its the opposite, in my opinion of course
i believe kids these days are alot more aggresive, violent , less morals than 15 years ago when i went to school. is it because violence is glorified in media, movies, music, internet 10x than it was many years ago? |
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Bullying has been around since I was at school , sadly you just have to deal with it , if you tell someone and they find out you told it just gets worse from my experience .
What can they do anyway if you are the bullier ? Take your playstation away ? Suspend you ? They love being suspended , few days of school lets go hang around the malls,or beach and bully more people . It's a joke! |
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Kids are taught in school, if your Mummy, Daddy, Aunty or Uncle give you a smack, you can have them charged with assault. Hence why I think there are more little ***** around. (In other words, what has happened to your child/ren is clased as assault) (coppers could toe you up the *** and the principal could give you the cane) I know some of these comments could open up another area for debate, but I'd prefer not to go through that....
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