Schumacher critical

[Juan Loco]

Originally Posted by NX74205

Can't say that'll be much of a problem for Schumacher. Even if we were to assume he isn't still getting money from his personal sponsors, he has enormous personal wealth.

Aside from his wealth, he has no shortage of friends in high places who wouldn't give a second thought to making a donation. Ferrari and Mercedes for a start; Jean Todt and Ross Brawn will dip into their own pockets ... hell, even Bernie Ecclestone might.

I don't think money will be an issue.

hahaha
Have you seen the world we live in?

Now for all I know his wife is just hopelessly devoted to him and would go hungry to pay his medical bills, but money does make people do crazy things. Woman have stabbed their husbands for less, and she is watching her kid's inheritance get burned through. There's also got to come a point at which people start looking sideways at the doctors who are making millions from his treatment, and start asking the obvious questions.

I sincerely hope he gets better, just as I would any injured person, but the longer this goes on the bigger the doubts that he will recover.

[gcg2503]

Originally Posted by Juan Loco

hahaha
Have you seen the world we live in?

Now for all I know his wife is just hopelessly devoted to him and would go hungry to pay his medical bills, but money does make people do crazy things. Woman have stabbed their husbands for less, and she is watching her kid's inheritance get burned through. There's also got to come a point at which people start looking sideways at the doctors who are making millions from his treatment, and start asking the obvious questions.

I sincerely hope he gets better, just as I would any injured person, but the longer this goes on the bigger the doubts that he will recover.

Not sure if serious.

Schumacher gifted $10m in a bat of an eye when the Tsunami hit.

Estimated worth of half a billion dollars.

$2-$3m a year in medical expenses would be covered by their petty cash float.

[nuthin' fancy]

Originally Posted by NX74205

... hell, even Bernie Ecclestone might.

Bernie?

Donate?


His own money?







If you switch off, you'll never know if you got it wrong, dead is dead and there is no coming back.

My sister was in a coma for six weeks some years ago and she recovered well enough to live independantly, maintain and develop her marriage and enjoy her kids.

If she had been in a coma for an extended period of time and the doctor's advice was to switch off, I would have agreed to it.

Quality of life is important to us all in different ways but being just alive enough to not switch off the machine is the worst possible scenario.

Keep fighting Michael.

[blueoval]

My guess is he'd have some kind of private health insurance he would be currently claiming on right now as it is. Chances are he isn't even touching his personal funds to pay for his rehabilitation.

[jpblue1000]

Ahh the sanctity of human life and more importantly a celebrity humans life! Quantity over quality.
Don't wish the scenario on anyone, well not many people, and of course during the media blackout we have little information to go on, to base any opinion on. But sometimes what is not said provides just as good a basis for opinion and even more damage could occur than good.

Assuming he is a vegetable, which is my position, the last thing the family would want is the image of the 'once great' MS being tarnished with images or knowledge of his fate, Muhammad Ali, izzy Osborne style.

If he is still in a coma with little likelihood of awakening and the family is holding on for a miracle, which is unlikely and more so the longer it lasts perhaps they need look at themselves and ask what quality of life has the man got? perhaps they are holding out for insurance or some other contractual issue, perhaps they are devout to some deity where life is better than no life...but what is life.
We shoot dogs, and high earning race horses why not old drivers.

JP

[UberKnee]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Ahh the sanctity of human life and more importantly a celebrity humans life! Quantity over quality.
Don't wish the scenario on anyone, well not many people, and of course during the media blackout we have little information to go on, to base any opinion on. But sometimes what is not said provides just as good a basis for opinion and even more damage could occur than good.

Assuming he is a vegetable, which is my position, the last thing the family would want is the image of the 'once great' MS being tarnished with images or knowledge of his fate, Muhammad Ali, izzy Osborne style.

If he is still in a coma with little likelihood of awakening and the family is holding on for a miracle, which is unlikely and more so the longer it lasts perhaps they need look at themselves and ask what quality of life has the man got? perhaps they are holding out for insurance or some other contractual issue, perhaps they are devout to some deity where life is better than no life...but what is life.
We shoot dogs, and high earning race horses why not old drivers.

JP

Wow. Might be a crazy idea but I'd imagine it'd be hard for his family to simply put him down as your suggesting. Most people never want to give up hope, and just keep hoping that their loved one will come right, its not unheard of for people to come out of comas and still be able to live a good life. And that's the thing here, how do you just put a loved one down when theres always a chance they'll wake up?

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by UberKnee

Wow. Might be a crazy idea but I'd imagine it'd be hard for his family to simply put him down as your suggesting. Most people never want to give up hope, and just keep hoping that their loved one will come right, its not unheard of for people to come out of comas and still be able to live a good life. And that's the thing here, how do you just put a loved one down when theres always a chance they'll wake up?

Your right its not unheard of, it is however also more common that they don't come out of coma, or are vegetative or achieve at best a minimally conscious state, these are the most likely outcomes rather than a full recovery after all this time.
I have no qualms about ending a vegetative life that is dependent on machines for survival. I believe it is better, for the surviving family to start the mourning process rather than live in a falsified state of hope.
Lets not let the fact he is many peoples hero cloud a judgement call.
Of course I do not know MS's state, the family has not released any detail. However some news is leaking through associates and 'friends' and the prognosis is seemingly not good. The 'Language' of the official releases, despite the translation into English is not hopeful given what we do know about his scenario.
I value quality of life over Quantity for both the victim and the survivors, It is hard to switch the machines off, and I am sure if it comes to it the family will make the right decision, I'm not trying to advise them, but simply ask, given what i read into the story, whats going on.

JP

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

I value quality of life over Quantity for both the victim and the survivors, It is hard to switch the machines off, and I am sure if it comes to it the family will make the right decision, I'm not trying to advise them, but simply ask, given what i read into the story, whats going on.

JP

What if, 20 years down the track, medical science advances to the point where such injuries can be healed?

You might want to choose to turn the machine off - and indeed, you might very well have told your closest relatives to turn the machine off if you're ever living on life support. But that is your choice. Do not presume that other people feel the same way.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Of course I do not know MS's state, the family has not released any detail. However some news is leaking through associates and 'friends' and the prognosis is seemingly not good.

It doesn't help when some friends say the prognosis is not good, while others say they see him making a full recovery. I don't think the family are helping here at all ... they want privacy, and don't want speculation and intrusion, fair enough. So put out a release with a truthful account of his state. No matter how bad. People will move on and leave the family in peace.

[CoupeKing]

He could stay hooked up to a machine until Yoda`s age. 180k per week in medical expenses is nothing to him.

[Feathers]

The longer this goes on, the less hope there is for his recovery.
Just look at Chi Cheng of the Deftones who suffered a similar type of brain injury.

He was in a car accident in 2008, and remained in a minimally conscious state until April 13th last year, when his heart finally gave out.
Over that time he suffered a series of infections and pneumonia.

By the time he died he was able to track individual people with his eyes, occasionally make worded responses, and slightly move his hands, as well as having the ability to move his legs on command.
However, he was unable to move independently or speak in sentences.

Sadly, it seems that this is the path Schumacher is on as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZnyEknRbY4

[gcg2503]

PS: he lives in Switzerland

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by gcg2503

PS: he lives in Switzerland

Yes but doesn't all of Europe have free health care?

[EASYBOSS]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsp...ed-says-friend

Michael Schumacher is paralysed and still has difficulty with his speech and memory almost a year after a freak skiing accident, good friend and former Formula One driver Philippe Streiff says.

Streiff, a Frenchman, was seriously injured in pre-season testing for a race in Brazil in 1989, leaving him a quadriplegic and confined to a wheelchair ever since.

"It's very difficult. He can't speak. Like me, he is in a wheelchair, paralysed. He has memory problems and speech problems," Streiff is reported to have told French radio.

Schumacher's family have released very little information to the media about the former world champion's accident.

What is known is that the accident happened on December 29, 2013, with doctors performing head surgery later that day and again on December 31 to relieve pressure on Schumacher's brain. He was then placed in an induced coma for almost six months.

In June, Schumacher left intensive care at Grenoble Hospital in France and was transferred to Lausanne Hospital in Switzerland for rehabilitation.

He is now being cared for at his home on the shores of Lake Geneva by his wife and private medical staff.

* F1 driver Jules Bianchi out of artificial coma

Schumacher's spokeswoman Sabine Kehm would not confirm or deny Streiff's comments, saying only that "he did not have contact with us" and that the comments were "his opinions".

[prydey]

Originally Posted by EASYBOSS

Schumacher's spokeswoman Sabine Kehm would not confirm or deny Streiff's comments, saying only that "he did not have contact with us" and that the comments were "his opinions".

this.

[Syndrome]

Whatever the case, he is clearly not well and may never fully recover.

[Syndrome]

Today is his 46th birthday.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/motorsp...-1227173771920

[LoudPipes]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Today is his 46th birthday.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/motorsp...-1227173771920

I'll add the text from the link Syndrome posted.

Michael Schumacher ‘cries when he hears wife, kids’

This story was published: 03 January, 2015


FORMULA One legend Michael Schumacher reportedly cries when he hears the voices of his loved ones a year after a ski accident left him in a coma.

Italian newspaper Corriere della Serra says Schumacher is moved to tears when he hears familiar sounds.

“Schumi cries. And sometimes mysteriously,” journalist Giorgio Terruzi. “He cries when he hears his children, his wife’s voice, his dogs. In the silence of that room, a tear runs down his thin face at a known sound.

Last week fellow former driver Philippe Streiff said the seven-time Formula One champion “was starting to recognise those closest to him”.

Schumacher, who turns 46 today, is rehabilitating at home in Lake Geneva, Switzerland, alongside his wife Corinna, daughter Gina Maria and son Mick.

He emerged from an induced coma in June, and recovered enough to leave hospital in September nine months after suffering severe head injuries in a ski accident in the French Alps

Sabine Kehm, Schumacher’s manager, said she would not believe everything that is written about Schumacher’s condition.

“I do not know where Mr Streiff has got his information,” she said. “He has no contact with us and he never has.”

[LoudPipes]

This article from the SMH from the 27th December, 2014 is possibly a bit more balanced.

Michael Schumacher's greatest battle continues as fans wait in hope


Date: 27 December, 2014
Jens Marx


Just as in previous years, he wanted to spend a few days skiing to celebrate the new year and his birthday with friends.

But a fall at the Meribel ski resort in France changed the life of Michael Schumacher and his loved ones in the most dramatic fashion.

Even a year after the tragic accident on December 29, 2013, it remains unclear whether Schumacher will ever recover enough to lead any semblance of a normal life.

"It is not possible to give any kind of reliable prognosis," Schumacher's manager Sabine Kehm said recently.

Schumacher hit his head on a rock while skiing and spent the next days in a critical condition in hospital, followed by months in an induced coma in Switzerland.

His helmet was destroyed as a result of the crash and the seriousness of Schumacher's condition only became apparent the following day when he was admitted to the University Clinic Hospital in Grenoble.

The expressions on the faces of the doctors treating Schumacher spoke volumes. His condition was described as "extremely critical" as the world learned that the seven-time world champion had sustained multiple brain injuries.

Schumacher's fight for life unleashed deep emotions worldwide with regular television programming regularly interrupted to give updates on his condition.

The media circus that developed led wife Corinna to issue a written statement a week later, calling for the driver's medical team and family to be left in peace so they could deal with the situation.

Schumacher was still fighting for his life on January 3, 2014, when he celebrated his 45th birthday, with the tragedy casting a shadow over the start of tests for the new F1 season.

"We are praying, wishing and hoping that a miracle takes place so that he wakes up the same person he once was," said compatriot and friend Sebastian Vettel at the end of January.

Over 10 months later, on the 20th anniversary of Schumacher claiming his first F1 title, Vettel was on hand to present the Millennium-BAMBI award to Schumacher's wife in recognition of the driver's excellent services and for inspiring his countrymen.

"It's my friendship with him that makes me so happy and proud, but also so sad," said Vettel.

"I had so wished that we would be able to give you this award personally."

Schumacher's legion of fans are still writing letters as well as sending get well wishes on Twitter and Facebook. The sport of Formula 1 is also still thinking of the man who enjoyed 91 race wins in a stellar career.

When Lewis Hamilton secured this year's drivers' championship in Abu Dhabi, Daimler boss Dieter Zetsche remembered the German legend when looking back on a memorable season for his team.

"We should not forget the contribution Michael made to this success," he said.

Schumacher drove for Mercedes for three years from 2010 to 2013, offering his vast experience just as he done previously done for the Ferrari research team.

In a uniquely successful career, Schumacher secured 68 pole positions on his way to seven world championship crowns. He suffered his worst racing accident in 1999, when he broke his leg at Silverstone.

Schumacher also suffered neck injuries in a motorcycle accident in Cartagena 10 years later, forcing him to call off a comeback with Ferrari as a replacement driver for the injured Felipe Massa.

It remains unclear whether Schumacher will ever recover significantly enough to live a relatively normal life, never mind get behind the wheel of a racing car.

The 45-year-old spent months in an induced coma until it was announced on June 16 that he had regained consciousness.

The father of two has continued his rehabilitation at home since September and his family have made clear from the beginning that no details will be revealed about his condition.

"However, he has a long and difficult road in front of him," manager Kehm revealed at the time.

She also confirmed recently that virtually all of Schumacher's sponsors have remained loyal to the driver, even a year after his tragic accident.

"Our concept was always to work together personally on a partnership and friendship level," Kehm told dpa.

"This togetherness is showing itself now."

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorsport/michael-schumachers-greatest-battle-continues-as-fans-wait-in-hope-20141227-12e9b2.html

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by LoudPipes

This article from the SMH from the 27th December, 2014 is possibly a bit more balanced.

he also confirmed recently that virtually all of Schumacher's sponsors have remained loyal to the driver, even a year after his tragic accident.

"Our concept was always to work together personally on a partnership and friendship level," Kehm told dpa.

Like I said, no bad news released so the money keeps rolling in!

JP

[Jason[98.EL]]

saw an article somewhere not sure where now the other day that said he cries at the sound of his wife or kids speaking not sure how true though

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Jason[98.EL]

saw an article somewhere not sure where now the other day that said he cries at the sound of his wife or kids speaking not sure how true though

If true then that's quite heart breaking really.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

If true then that's quite heart breaking really.

It may mean he is not fully a vegetable and is aware of what is going on around him.

[uniacidz]

Updated page on Michael

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formul...ews-f1-4911629

[yakcam]

Just an afterthought, but is there a chance that the helmet manufacturer of the helmet be liable to some degree?

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by yakcam

Just an afterthought, but is there a chance that the helmet manufacturer of the helmet be liable to some degree?

Unlikely as the helmet failed because of the camera on it.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by yakcam

Just an afterthought, but is there a chance that the helmet manufacturer of the helmet be liable to some degree?

In post 170-174 I raised the question of how the GoPro he was wearing could have caused his severe injury due to possible incorrect mounting of the camera.

I personally think we will hear more about this down the track...

[EASYBOSS]

And the wife sells the jet plane for millions

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsp...for-50-million

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by EASYBOSS

And the wife sells the jet plane for millions

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsp...for-50-million

Which confirms Michael is in a vegetative state and will remain so for the remainder of his life. Sad.

[JC]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Which confirms Michael is in a vegetative state and will remain so for the remainder of his life. Sad.

I've told my wife if I am in an accident and end up like that, to turn the machines off.....that is not life (IMO).