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You have to remember that the NA coyote is running American emissions and Fuel, not sure of the difference between theirs and ours but I don't think it would be as potent here.
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Consider that this n.a. V8 has repeatedly measured almost (if not) the same power as the Camaro SS's 426hp LS3 on the dynos. That would be the 'same' motor HSV has in the R8. How's that for being 1.2 litres down in capacity? Take away the need for hyd. power steering (assuming FG2 won't get EPAS) and it will drop a little, but again, the FG has room to fit bigger headers.
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So could it be that the XR8 as a model will remain but be 'decontented' with the base n/a Coyote, and the GS become a production model as a 'premium' XR8 with the blown version? A-la Holden's model structure with the SS and SS-V?
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Fair enough Falc'man, but I don't think a 300kw base NA will cut the mustard for Ford Australia as there won't be any room left for future upgrades of the NA and keeping it in the emissions required. SC will do this and can come out with relatively little boost to make the so called required amount to appeal to the actual buyers of the XR8.
HSV don't do the SSV Road warrior, there will be and there is only room for one XR8. My tip it will be a FPV product based on the GS so with the added bonuses of an FPV with brembo brakes etc etc
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I was asking my accountant a while ago about a new V8 ute. I can't recall the exact figure but it was $50-something 'k where the benefit of buying a new work would be lost.
I can't recall the specifics, maybe someone else will guess what she was talking about. Anywho, if the new XR8 ute is above that figure, they more lose even sales. If the price goes to high, and the isn't a suitable tax benefit, alot of tradies looking for a V8 ute may just buy a Commodore. |
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Are you saying ~300kW for less than $50k isn't a great deal, or are you saying the 300kW is too high, because "there's no room for upgrades"?
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(How's that for timing... JPFS1, I hope your wish comes true. ![]() The message I got from one of the guys working on it was that it's torque curve was nice and fat. And flat.
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Then thats a different ball game but will Ford/FPV hold out close to a year on producing another XR8 or will they go with what is already available and in development here already. Problem we have is no real news from Ford, to be honest I think this will hurt their sales of this product in particular as people holding out could quite likely jump across and buy a new Holden SS.
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Anyhow, Ian's post below paints a clearer picture. Quote:
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No Falc'man you got me all wrong, I don't want a blown XR8 for 50k, I'm not going to buy an XR8 fullstop, but in saying that I don't want the XR8 nameplate to die either, to me it would be fitting for the XR8 to be under the FPV banner. If I was to buy an XR8 in the future I would pay the premium price for the oppurtunity to buy a blown one, IMO you get what you pay for. I like what FPV bring to the table with their cars and if I stick to buying Fords it will be from the FPV stable again.
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Just so that we're on the same page, to April Ford and FPV have sold the following vehicles:
XR8 Sedan 101 XR6T 503 G6ET 396 GT 74 GTP 11 GS 65 F6 84 XR8 Ute 168 XR6T Ute 283 S/Pursuit 67 Pursuit 11 F6 Ute 43 GS Ute 9 |
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Russell has posted June sales of Ford FPV performance vehicles,
Year to date for the following vehicles: XR8 Sedan 150 XR6T 880 G6ET 544 GT 107 GTP 17 GS 83 F6 141 Territory Ghia Turbo 199 (By deduction of Ford's numbers for I-6 Turbo) XR8 Ute 221 XR6T Ute 399 S/Pursuit 110 Pursuit 13 F6 Ute 65 GS Ute 17 Engine Mix for Ford: I-6T 1782 V8 371 Engine Mix for FPV: I-6T 235 V8 355 Engine Mix for Ford/FPV: I-6T 2017 V8 726 Last edited by jpd80; 14-07-2010 at 01:56 AM. |
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Does anyone have sales breakdown of XR6 and G series vehicles?
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I'm continually impressed with the success of the G6ET. One hot, smoking car in all aspects.
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Luxury car tax LCT is $57,466 but does not apply to commercial vehicles. The XR8 ute is classed a commercial vehicle just like Maloo, Super Pursuit etc and has no luxury car tax applicable. |
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I wonder what Rod Barrett's job security is like. Maybe Coyote will heal all wounds.
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Sorry but they must be hurting!! What are all the floor guys doing atm, or the guys that build the motors?? |
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they have the motors and are doing their magic :hrod on them before they release them ![]() Just a thought Jason
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F6 isnt getting built in July, they come back on August build apparently, so there will be a few kits / wheels to fit in August and Sept, but it will be the quietest its been in the last 8 years for FPV. |
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Why oh why is everyone trying to hold onto XR8? Clear the decks, build Falcons for Oz as long as we can. That means the good ol` 6 banger. When 2015 comes around and Falcon is morphed with Taurus, XR8 will be but a distant memory,as will the I6. Ford is on the right track, people living in the past need to buy pony cars to hang the tail out,have fun etc.Thats sports car stuff,(read rear drive coupes)not four door V8 shenanigans in a SUV/soccer mom/school zone environment. Falcon needs to be for mum, dad and the sprogs if its going to survive. Not smoke shows and dyno comps. XR8 is all about a long gone market, directed at smokin the bags with lil` Johnny wanting to be like good old Dad.
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The XR8 market is slipping away from Ford, as you make the car dearer (+$50K) buyers drop off dramatically. Ford will probably consolidate all V8s under FPV (makes sense) and anyone wanting one will pay full price. |
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I believe that people that read these forums are passionate and want the V8's and pperformance cars
but in the reality of the market, most people (mums and dads) buying cars are more worried about safety and luxury items It turns out there is only a small percentage of peole that are enthusists Look around at even people you know, must of them couldnt give a flying (something) if it had a V8 or not, most would rather something comfortable and economical Most people here are looking at this from only their own personal view, and not the view that cmpanies like Ford need to, i.e. the general buying public
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What makes Holden's results more remarkable is the very popular V8 Calais V which must compete for the same Holden V8 buyer, you also have V8 Satesman and Caprice which are less of a threat to the SS twins. Having so much internal competition makes the overall sales of SS and SSV even more impressive from a V8-selling perspective and shows to me that there is still a market there. |
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