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I get to drive a lot of different cars and I couldn't agree more. Combinations that do the job "easier" often deliver a wider "window" of opportunity to obtain better fuel consumption under a wider range of applications without driving specifically for consumption. It’s about getting a package with the right torque characteristics that consumers will default to, rather than "go looking for". The moment that factor is missed, real life consumption will drop significantly in proportion to the benefits supposedly on offer in the first place.
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http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archi...-dead-yet.html Those figures are for a 1.6L!!! Now, say they conjoined and made a V8 version? |
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Just remember guys FordUS are putting this engine in a F150. So it cant be that bad for the Falcon.
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To my knowledge, 3.5 EB is a certainty for F150, and 2.0 EB is seriously being considered. I would only expect 2.0 in single cab 4x2 models - same as what you would find old 4.2 Triton V6
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http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/14/f...oost-for-f150/ This article is an old one, but it was being considered. Apparently its in development, but I have nothing really to back it up.
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In the past the 'larger engine', particularly one that has taller gearing and breathes better (intake/exhaust) was the one to go for. Fuel burn may be higher (particularly in cruise) but real world its preferable. Of course Fords aim with all EB engines was not to necessarily generate 'performance' flagships but rather replicate this flexibility you refer to in smaller, inherently more efficient engines. After all, when cruising/idling etc. a 2.0 I4 with 10.1 compression ratio has to burn less than a 4.0 I6 with 10.3 compression ratio. Of course that is only this example. In the states they are going to have 3.5 EB engines replacing V8s and in europe 1.6 EB replacing 2.0 so the general theory holds. Real world you can't be sure, but i doubt Ford would have gone to the trouble if it didn't make a noticeable difference. Most importanlty for drivers, the cars will atcually better performance and response than the NA engines they replace.
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Ok guys...thought i'd dig this thread up given some news i came accross from Mercedes of all people LOL!
Carpoint recently ran this story: http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2009...ss-lands-16542 Basically, it details merc's plans to offer in this country 4 cylinder E classes, both diesel and petrol, as part of its new 'environmental' line up. For those that are not aware, the E calss is basically the large sedan. Somewhere between a medium/large car....close to a falcon. Kerb weight is in the range of 1.7-1.8 tonne, depending on model. Early in this thread kpcart and others questioned both how a 2.0 DI DIVCT I4T engine could pull off what ford claims, and moreover if all the 'great' manufacturers in the world couldn't do it, how could lowly FOrd pull it off. The article points out the following: ...the four-cylinder direct-injection petrol E 250 CGI. It displaces 1.8 litres and winds out 150kW/310Nm while consuming 7.6L/100km. Further info on the car: http://www.oneshift.com/pdb/car_overview.php?pid=2355 Now, its interesting to see what this means for the anti-Ford EB club. If you use the very nasty, but roughly accurate method of percentages, a 2.0 ecoboost Ford engine (similar tech set up) is a little over 10% bigger, it would give APPROXIMATELY 165kw and 340 nm. Now, in an earlier post i noted: You'd gestimate 91 RON it would do somewhere between 170-180kw. Probably 330-340nm, but from a low 1500 rpm or so..........This engine should have no problem beating holdens 3.0 V6 and it will burn less doing so. . Well i didn't do too bad in my prediction. Best bit is the fuel burn. Merc have claimed 7.6 L/100km with a 7speed auto. Based on the fact the Falcon may be a tad heavier, and Ford may tune the engine a bit more agressively to maintain that reknown Falcon performance, you'd be hard pressed to imagine the EB Falcon burning more than 1 L/100km more than the merc. That gives you 8.6 L/100km. WELL UNDER HOLDEN'S 3.0 V6. In fact its not inconcievable the Ford could burn over a litre per 100km less than the Holden. Further to my point, using the E class once again as a test case, the current E350 (3.5 V6, 200kw, 350nm) burns 9.4 L/100km. Also rougly consistent with an FG I6 6sp auto. I trust we can use Merc's example as a test balloon on the production application of DI, Ecoboost style 4 cylinders in large sedans. Given this, it shows that: 1. Ford is not at all being wildy optimistic in its claims. 2. The tech in use is viable and 'best practice' 3. GM/Holden will struggle in comparison with their small capacity DI V6 - their method is unlikely to be competitive.
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Good write up as always swordy.
Don't forget, the 2.0 comes with a 6sp DSG box. I imagine this would be quite efficient in it's power transmission - I don't know how it'll stack up against Merc's 7 speed, but being clutch derived it would be at least as good? The EB has a high-ish 10:1 ratio, with a 12psi of boost.... pretty tractable if you ask me.
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So what price do you think you would be looking at for a EB 4cyl in a falcon? brand new release price, anyone got any figure estimations from ford yet?
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This 2.0EB decision is shaping up to be something much more significant than we first thought.
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The Major problem FORD now have, and i guess have always had, is how they will MARKET this against the Small V6 of Holden. Will their Marketing work? I'm really looking forward to it. Should be very interesting. |
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Swordy, as always, a thorough and well reasoned post! Excellent info.
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I wonder what sort of life expectancy the turbo 4 would have in a 1600+ kg car and 15000km service intervals etc...
I dare say that it would be a rather expensive car to own over the long term compared to a 6 cylinder. Also, look at the fuel consumption of the Ralliart Lancer. 1500+ kg, 2.0T, 6sp auto and real world fuel consumption is terrible.
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Thanks for posting that.
I wonder for what purpose, or application the 1.6 V6 would be good for? Edit: It says 1.6 *and* V6... Thanks Phil ![]() HSE2, that's still too small for a lawnmower.
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There's a bit more meat in this article, hit the link for the full story:
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Thanks for the posts Boss315. The 1.6 ecoboost would be a mondeo/top spec focus engine in europe. So basically in two states of tune one at 135 kw/280nm (mondeo) and the other 120kw/230nm etc.
Fiesta gets 1.3 ecoboost as its largest engine....which would give you something like 90-100kw and 180 nm. Sounds about right, and they will probably weigh less than the old engines and have more driveability with fuel economy.
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Surely that article has a wobbly boot on, a 2 liter, 147kw delivering 8 litres per 100km.
Our I6 does 9.9. I think the bloke who wrote that was sitting in the Beer Keller across the road when he tapped that one out.
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I think the bloke who wrote the base article was a Ford media staffer, because the one posted here is just a thinly veiled rehash of other releases e.g.
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/426...-on-their-way/ |
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I see a cam belt :(
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Falcon’s 2011 four-cylinder engine to have at least 147kW of power and low-end mumbo
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