2015 Ford Everest

[Vesper Martini]

FFS why do people keep bringing up the Territory? its shares the blue badge no a lot else.
but I agree with you I don't think they will sell in high numbers, but since its not brought here as a replacement to the Territory what relevance is that to Territory sales?

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by boss351290

Hate to say it, But I think its just a Extended Ranger like the Colarado 7. With ute handling and Dynamics at a crazy price. Don't expect it to be anywhere near as good as a Territory.

The most surprising thing for me about the current Ranger is how well it drives for a 2000kg+ pickup. The steering is excellent and roll is very well controlled. With a coil rear end, I wouldn't have any worries about the dynamic and steering capabilities of the Everest.

[RANGEREST]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

FFS why do people keep bringing up the Territory? its shares the blue badge no a lot else.
but I agree with you I don't think they will sell in high numbers, but since its not brought here as a replacement to the Territory what relevance is that to Territory sales?

If we get the 2wd version it will be an option for ex territory buyers.
I'd consider one for the family car as I have a Ranger as a work/bush 4x4

[wranger]

Originally Posted by boss351290

Hate to say it, But I think its just a Extended Ranger like the Colarado 7. With ute handling and Dynamics at a crazy price. Don't expect it to be anywhere near as good as a Territory.

The current Ranger itself doesn't have "ute handling and dynamics", what makes you think a coil sprung suv with a shorter wheelbase will?

[BSL73]

The new everest was spotted undisguised on Australia day. SPYPICS

http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2015...-on-line-48798

[Road_Warrior]

Notice the seats in that Everest! Straight out of the Territory parts catalogue

[Mighty Reds]

I wonder if the gas bottle behind the drivers seat comes standard.

[TheSneakiness]

Still ugly as when I first come across this thread.

Also no petrol option rules it out for me as well.

[Wretched]

I still think the front of the Territory looks better.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Rapid_Axe

Still ugly as when I first come across this thread.

Also no petrol option rules it out for me as well.

Whats the infatuation with petrol?

[chevypower]

I think it looks great, should have an EcoBoost V6 option, as well as the upcoming 10 speed auto. Throw in an electronic locker too. Word is the next gen 3.5 EcoBoost for the Raptor will have around 450 HP / 500 lb-ft (330Kw/670Nm)

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by Mighty Reds

I wonder if the gas bottle behind the drivers seat comes standard.

That's the VBIED version.

[Matty4]

Originally Posted by Rapid_Axe

Still ugly as when I first come across this thread.

Also no petrol option rules it out for me as well.

What???...did you not read this bit.

Three engines mentioned specifically by rushlane.com and specifically featured in Ford Australia marketing documentation are the 2.0-litre EcoBoost (petrol) four-cylinder and the two diesel offerings, 2.2-litre Duratorq TDCi four-cylinder and 3.2-litre Duratorq five-cylinder. The EcoBoost engine is rated at 175kW and 360Nm. This is the same engine powering the current EcoBoost Falcon. The 2.2-litre diesel develops 110kW and 385Nm, while the 3.2-litre diesel produces 147kW and 470Nm.

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by chevypower

I think it looks great, should have an EcoBoost V6 option, as well as the upcoming 10 speed auto. Throw in an electronic locker too. Word is the next gen 3.5 EcoBoost for the Raptor will have around 450 HP / 500 lb-ft (330Kw/670Nm)

I'd be extremely surprised if the drivetrain options differ greatly from the Ranger, which in turn are also shared with Transit.

It may of course debut something that will be seen later in either of the other two.

[Agile]

Originally Posted by boss351290

Hate to say it, But I think its just a Extended Ranger like the Colarado 7. With ute handling and Dynamics at a crazy price. Don't expect it to be anywhere near as good as a Territory.

A couple of points. The new Ex, if it follows Isuzu's lead, will be a SHORT WHEELBASE version of the Ranger. Pretty clear really/ from the photos. It will have some real advantages over its competitors if it can be competitive with its pricing.
Personally , it looks dated already IMHO. But I am biased, I bought a MUX .

[Bossxr8]

I see them quite regularly driving around the suburbs of Geelong.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Matty4

What???...did you not read this bit.

The Chinese built Everest gets the 3 engine options, Australian model will only have 3.2 diesel.

[baboon]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I see them quite regularly driving around the suburbs of Geelong.

Yep I just saw a white one driving near eastern beach this arvo, next to the barriers for the cadel bike race this weekend.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by Wretched

I still think the front of the Territory looks better.

Not relevant - its job should be to knock off the Prado.

"for many current Territory owners it might be all they need from Ford"

But not this owner! I want a beautiful-handling crossover (high-entry car), not a 4WD/offroader.

Edge will be a step down to a Captiva-size 5 seater and FWD and no doubt dynamics to match. 7 seats will be left to Everest, a different class of vehicle.

The bottom line: the unique Territory niche will be vacated by Ford and off we Territory owners will go to other marques - of which there's precious little that matches the oustanding qualities of Territory. Well done, global Ford

I do wish Everest well though - in its class (which is not the Territory's class).

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by new2ford

Not relevant - its job should be to knock off the Prado.



But not this owner! I want a beautiful-handling crossover (high-entry car), not a 4WD/offroader.

Edge will be a step down to a Captiva-size 5 seater and FWD and no doubt dynamics to match. 7 seats will be left to Everest, a different class of vehicle.

The bottom line: the unique Territory niche will be vacated by Ford and off we Territory owners will go to other marques - of which there's precious little that matches the oustanding qualities of Territory. Well done, global Ford

I do wish Everest well though - in its class (which is not the Territory's class).

I didn't realise the new Edge has been road tested against a Captiva yet. Then again you already have no doubt, it seems. I think we all need to reset our old mindset that American car = bad dynamics. The most recent Ford's all have international input where all divisions work with each other 24/7 around the globe. Aussies work with Europeans, Americans, etc...

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I didn't realise the new Edge has been road tested against a Captiva yet. Then again you already have no doubt, it seems. I think we all need to reset our old mindset that American car = bad dynamics. The most recent Ford's all have international input where all divisions work with each other 24/7 around the globe. Aussies work with Europeans, Americans, etc...

The analogy with Captiva is on internal dimensions - it's a downsize from the Territory. I agree that one should wait to try, but in principle I'm not confident in the dynamics of a larger vehicle driven by FWD. Even some of the high-end manufacturers that try it don't do very well. FWD works very well on small vehicles and it's a cost and space saving technique. On large vehicles it's a cost and space-saving technique only.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I didn't realise the new Edge has been road tested against a Captiva yet. Then again you already have no doubt, it seems. I think we all need to reset our old mindset that American car = bad dynamics. The most recent Ford's all have international input where all divisions work with each other 24/7 around the globe. Aussies work with Europeans, Americans, etc...

I know what you mean, but the "Global" MK III Focus isn't as good in the dynamics department as the MK I and MK II. Differing tastes around the world mean compromises in many areas.

"One Ford" may be a good financial path for Ford as a company, but as time passes it seems there are to many exceptions to the rule that mean many markets miss out on certain products. (7-Seat Edge, Mustang GT350, F-Series, Automatic Transits.................)

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

"One Ford" may be a good financial path for Ford as a company, but as time passes it seems there are to many exceptions to the rule that mean many markets miss out on certain products. (7-Seat Edge, Mustang GT350, F-Series, Automatic Transits.................)

And the vacating of the niche held by the Territory ....

It seems to me that Territory would have been a far better basis for a global platform than Edge. But maybe the Americans think the Explorer is that?

It may be all globalised, but it's an American company and it's hard to avoid the feeling that American thinking prevails in the end. Ford Australia (like GMH) made a transition over many years from American thinking to European thinking. Now that's all going down the gurgler, since I like the European approach to automotive design I'd naturally be looking to a European company for my next car if Ford won't fill the bill.

I'm trying hard to give Ford a chance and if it was a smaller (Ford Europe-originated) car I wanted, I don't think I'd have a problem at all. But at the larger crossover/SUV level, Ford has suddenly got very murky.

[danzvtil]

Originally Posted by new2ford

And the vacating of the niche held by the Territory ....

It seems to me that Territory would have been a far better basis for a global platform than Edge. But maybe the Americans think the Explorer is that?

It may be all globalised, but it's an American company and it's hard to avoid the feeling that American thinking prevails in the end. Ford Australia (like GMH) made a transition over many years from American thinking to European thinking. Now that's all going down the gurgler, since I like the European approach to automotive design I'd naturally be looking to a European company for my next car if Ford won't fill the bill.

I'm trying hard to give Ford a chance and if it was a smaller (Ford Europe-originated) car I wanted, I don't think I'd have a problem at all. But at the larger crossover/SUV level, Ford has suddenly got very murky.

So you accuse an American company of using American thinking, but state Australian thinking is better? Pot,kettle,black.
Territory isn't suitable as a global platform as it is falcon based RHD only, no capacity for weight savings, no capacity for smaller engines, no capacity for country specific crash/feature requirements. Edge is Mondeo based which has been developed from the outset with these in mind, and with view to sharing across different models globally gaining economy of scale needed in the automotive industry today.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by danzvtil

So you accuse an American company of using American thinking, but state Australian thinking is better?

Well, it has been to date. It touched on (affordable) BMW/Merc territory. Now it's off to join the dumbed-down masses.

I accept the premise that the Territory/Falcon platform may not be suitable for Ford to globalise but for me, as customer, that simply means that Ford no longer has a vehicle to suit me. I guess I'm a bit PO'd about that as there have been some distinct advantages to the Ford Australia experience, but at least there are some other (well, a tiny number of) alternatives. It's all a balance sheet of pluses and minuses in the end.

[SM1DY]

Spy shots??

Unless the person taking these pics infiltrated a high-security facility and chloroformed a couple guards, they aren't spy pics.

They're 'carpark at coles' pics

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Rapid_Axe

Still ugly as when I first come across this thread.

Also no petrol option rules it out for me as well.

I used to think the same way. Now I think diesel is great and I like owning one.

Everest might look better in black. Not a fan of white with the black around the front bumper.

[chookaradley]

Despite what some are saying I'm really bullish about the Everest. I think it will be clearly better than a MUX or Colorado 7. I think traditional Prado buyers would consider an Everest, but probably not the other 2. I also think it will sell well and be a winner for Ford.

[aZ`]

I think it's fair to continually bring up the territory, after all I am a territory owner and the Everest will be high on my list to test drive as a replacement.
Yes, we are in the soccer mom category, we don't go 4wd'ing, but we do go camping and we do tow a 2.4t boat, something a prado can't do once our gear is loaded in. so we don't need (or want) a land cruiser/patrol, but need something with a tow rating and of reasonable size (family of 4 and possibly growing). Although the sz td has no troubles towing our load, I can't help but wish there was a little more room to move in the capacity. The Everest seems like a very logical replacement. Yes I realise I haven't seen the tow rating but I think it's safe to assume 3t+.
I actually think it may steal some jeep GC customers, it's size/capability/dynamic are closer to the GC than the tezza is, and as much as I hate to say it, I may end up with a GC if the Everest doesn't meet expectation.




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[new2ford]

Originally Posted by aZ`

I think it's fair to continually bring up the territory, after all I am a territory owner and the Everest will be high on my list to test drive as a replacement.

Inevitably the diaspora of existing Territory owners is going to split both your way and mine, depending on individual priorities and needs. But Everest is clearly not a crossover like the Territory.