VFacts June 2012

[naddis01]

From the link in post 87.

A strong month from the Golf (2746) contributed to a record of the wrong kind for Holden Commodore, with the Australian-made family car falling to eighth position overall – the lowest ranking in nameplate’s 34-year history.

Where are the media predictions of an imminent Commodore death. If the shoe was on the other foot...

Top 10 Best-selling Vehicles – June 2012

1.Toyota HiLux – 4308
2.Mazda3 – 3924
3.Toyota Corolla – 3804
4.Holden Cruze – 3057
5.Nissan Navara – 3034
6.Hyundai i30 – 3024
7.Volkswagen Golf – 2746
8.Holden Commodore – 2743
9.Toyota Camry – 2303
10.Mitsubishi Triton – 2186


Top 10 Best-selling Vehicles – 2012 to date

1.Mazda3 – 21,813
2.Toyota HiLux – 19,412
3.Toyota Corolla – 19,026
4.Holden Cruze – 16,437
5.Holden Commodore – 15,860
6.Hyundai i30 – 14,000
7.Nissan Navara – 13,180
8.Toyota Camry – 10,948
9.Toyota Yaris – 9836
10.Mitsubishi Triton – 9686


Top 10 Best-selling Brands – June 2012

1.Toyota – 21,649
2.Holden – 10,632
3.Hyundai – 9672
4.Mazda – 9593
5.Ford – 9140
6.Nissan – 8330
7.Mitsubishi – 6498
8.Volkswagen – 6446
9.Honda – 4136
10.Subaru – 4101


Top 10 Best-selling Brands – 2012 to date

1.Toyota – 106,035
2.Holden – 56,183
3.Mazda – 52,133
4.Hyundai – 45,306
5.Ford – 43,430
6.Nissan – 39,879
7.Mitsubishi – 31,139
8.Volkswagen – 26,966
9.Subaru – 21,341
10.Honda – 16,153


Top 10 Car Brands for Growth – June 2012

1.Jeep +127.0 per cent
2.Skoda +101.8 per cent
3.Lotus +83.3 per cent
4.Great Wall +48.7 per cent
5.Land Rover +46.0 per cent
6.Lamborghini +40.0 per cent
7.Renault +32.7 per cent
8.Volkswagen +31.5 per cent
9.Ssangyong +30.0 per cent
10.Citroen +27.7 per cent


Bottom 10 Car Brands for Growth – June 2012

1.Chrysler –88.1 per cent
2.Saab –76.2 per cent
3.Morgan –40.0 per cent
4.Smart –39.0 per cent
5.Ferrari –30.0 per cent
6.Proton –28.4 per cent
7.Aston Martin –28.0 per cent
8.Alfa Romeo –23.9 per cent
9.Rolls-Royce –18.2 per cent
10.Bentley –16.7 per cent

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by XWGT

I think overall Ford would have to be pretty happy

Over 9,000 cars sold. Thats a fair increase and a good mix of local and OS.

I think LPi and Ecoboost at 20% of all falcons sales is also a really positive result.

Lets hope it rolls on.

It's more about maximizing falcon and Territory sales, i notice sales are up this month, in line with
last year's trends but probably due to stronger advertising recently, that has to be a good thing.

It's also painfully obvious how much in short supply Ranger and Focus still are and it's hoped
that Thailand can pick up the pace, Still a few large holes in the line up, Ecosport and new Kuga,
T6 SUV when it finally arrives - there's a couple of thousand odd per month in that lot for sure.
Add the above vehicles and Ford could easily jump from also rans to top three rather quickly..

[PepeLePew]

Originally Posted by Brazen

Due to the VERY generous depreciation allowances given to mining companies by the ATO and the very good bulk fleet discounts, mining companies simply throw their utes away after a few years. I have no doubt for the short life of a mining ute, most utes would past the test.

I actually think its the other factors such as servicing, parts supply and mechanical familiarity that will get contracts over the line for the mining industry, and Toyota is outstanding in those after-sales aspects in remote and mining communities.

It'll be interesting to see where we are in 12 months given the miners interest in the new Ranger....together with the new mines biased variation supposedly being produced.

[Nikked]

Lamborghini sales up 40%...

Lost of rich miners in WA cruising to work in gallardos?

[Resurrection]

Originally Posted by naddis01

From the link in post 87.


Where are the media predictions of an imminent Commodore death. If the shoe was on the other foot...

Here is what you are looking for:

http://www.news.com.au/national/comm...-1226417217117

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by naddis01

Where are the media predictions of an imminent Commodore death. If the shoe was on the other foot...

Holden have already given funding to protect its future, and announced their intentions for the next generation, thats the difference.

Fords silence is deafening, which allows the rumours to continue unabated.

With Commodores sales continuing to plunge Holden must be crapping themselves based on how much they plan to spend on the next gen.

[HSVKILLA]

Over here in Nz the year to date numbers up until the end of june is:

Ford 5418 total

Holden 4335 total

Us kiwi's seem to have good taste .

[MrZ]

According to Toyota, 414 86s "sold" last month.

[Resurrection]

Originally Posted by MrZ

According to Toyota, 414 86s "sold" last month.

And I saw one off them on road last Friday in Glen Waverley.

[naddis01]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Holden have already given funding to protect its future, and announced their intentions for the next generation, thats the difference.

Fords silence is deafening, which allows the rumours to continue unabated.

With Commodores sales continuing to plunge Holden must be crapping themselves based on how much they plan to spend on the next gen.

It certainly must be a worry for Holden. Commodore sales are on the same downward trajectory as the Falcon but are 2 years behind in sales data. They must be banking on the dollar dropping in the next few years to increase profit margins on exports.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Holden have already given funding to protect its future, and announced their intentions for the next generation, thats the difference.

Fords silence is deafening, which allows the rumours to continue unabated.

With Commodores sales continuing to plunge Holden must be crapping themselves based on how much they plan to spend on the next gen.

did holden actually commit to 'commodore' or just to having 2 product lines?

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by prydey

did holden actually commit to 'commodore' or just to having 2 product lines?

My take is your way, I remember on hearing the story thinking Holden had just admitted to no Commodore in the future and wondering why this had slipped through while Ford gets hammered for not saying anything yet.

[FPV GTHO]

They're still confirmed with Commodore for 2 years more than Falcon for now.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Holden have already given funding to protect its future, and announced their intentions for the next generation, thats the difference.

Fords silence is deafening, which allows the rumours to continue unabated.

With Commodores sales continuing to plunge Holden must be crapping themselves based on how much they plan to spend on the next gen.

What do you want, Ford to jump off a cliff with Holden or wait and get the plan right.
Just because Ford is not telling us their plans does not mean they don't have one.

Taurus for Australia was looked at and dismissed over two years ago yet the media keeps
banging on about it, their sources would have confirmed that ages ago, all of this goading is just fishing for answers..

[russellw]

The first set of graphical data has been uploaded into the Tech Portal now.

Cheers
Russ

[jpd80]

Thanks Russ, I love this quote:

Despite the slow start to 2012, Territory volumes are up 52.5% compared to 2011...

Also Mondeo sputtering along at a lowly 469...maybe FoA should have a production line here with 1.6 EB and 2.0 EB engines
IMO, with the right supplies and pricing, Ford could really stick it to Toyota Camry..

Escape - 88 and Kuga - 102, this is another area where Ford could really capture good sales by securing production here.

[csv8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Thanks Russ, I love this quote:



Also Mondeo sputtering along at a lowly 469...maybe FoA should have a production line here with 1.6 EB and 2.0 EB engines
IMO, with the right supplies and pricing, Ford could really stick it to Toyota Camry..

Escape - 88 and Kuga - 102, this is another area where Ford could really capture good sales by securing production here.

KUGA is overpriced..TIGUAN kills it...Ford need to price better. Just because its Euro doesn't have to have a premium price. Maybe bring in the DACIA for $35k!!!! thats Euro !!!

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by csv8

KUGA is overpriced..TIGUAN kills it...Ford need to price better. Just because its Euro doesn't have to have a premium price. Maybe bring in the DACIA for $35k!!!! thats Euro !!!

Here's the deal,
All FoA is getting is around 200 Kugas a month...and then only the less desirable ones FoE can't sell
That's why we need local production in Australia, dealers could shift heaps more with right product flow.

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Here's the deal,
All FoA is getting is around 200 Kugas a month...and then only the less desirable ones FoE can't sell
That's why we need local production in Australia, dealers could shift heaps more with right product flow.

Which was half the point of setting up local Focus production as they both share the same platform. Too late now.

[Pandemic]

I'd purchase and support the Ford Falcon if prices were to drop, I'm sure they make enough profit as it is, if not make more if they dropped the price.

[Ducati888]

Local production of Mondeo is hardly going to save it. If people cared where their cars were made, and preferred local, then the sales would be an obvious bias to Commodore, Cruze, Falcon, Terry, Camry and Aurion etc, but they are not.

Ford would do a lot better if they could get supply for the Ranger. They are being let down. Ford really should be looking at Toyota and copying them in every way. Toyota are smashing everyone sales wise, and have for a long time. There is equity and trust in the brand, something that Ford needs to re-establish with Ranger and its Euro models.

People are far more likely to wait two months for delivery of a Hilux than they are for delivery of a Ranger. Rightly or wrongly, that's a fact. Hilux high end models are way dearer than equivalent Nissans and Mitsubishis too, yet the brand endures and gets the sales. The top of the range Ranger is too expensive as well. Needs to be competing with the top of the range Spanish made Navara, gain fleet equity and ability to supply.

It's strange that their plant here is mostly well under capacity on vehicles that are not really in demand, yet Thailand is way over capacity on vehicles of very high demand.

They are losing sales and they need to try harder.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

It's more about maximizing falcon and Territory sales, i notice sales are up this month, in line with
last year's trends but probably due to stronger advertising recently, that has to be a good thing.

It's also painfully obvious how much in short supply Ranger and Focus still are and it's hoped
that Thailand can pick up the pace, Still a few large holes in the line up, Ecosport and new Kuga,
T6 SUV when it finally arrives - there's a couple of thousand odd per month in that lot for sure.
Add the above vehicles and Ford could easily jump from also rans to top three rather quickly..

I think that is the reason Ford have been more quiet than us passionate fans would have liked. They know what is coming, have their projections and only have upside coming and while maybe this isn't as publically conveyed by the locals, (as per their usual MO) from a total market share point of view it's more positive then we probably realise. And maybe local production will be supported by imports then the other way of past.

[Cooper69S]

Originally Posted by Pandemic

I'd purchase and support the Ford Falcon if prices were to drop, I'm sure they make enough profit as it is, if not make more if they dropped the price.

I think the issue has been stated before that the list price is not at all indicative of what people actually pay, and maybe they need to correct that and drop the list price.
I've ordered a new Territory, but was looking at Falcons before that. The local dealer had an undriven "demo" mkII xr6 at $31k driveaway, and another demo with <200km on the clock for $29k driveaway. Pretty cheap IMO

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Brazen

Which was half the point of setting up local Focus production as they both share the same platform. Too late now.

For Focus yes but let's not be dismissive of everything else, not while Ford continues to reconfigure Broadmeadows as a FoE styled plant.
Prevoiusly posted info by another person would suggest Mondeo and Focus cost similar to build.

Not sure if we could make that same leap to Kuga but hey, products that people want that are unobtanium
and could sell at or just below Falcon prices would all be of interest to foA, if the busines plan is sustainable

This is not to say Ford is definitely heading down this path but it's a reasonable assumption
that Ford would be exploring whatever global platforms are available to build in our region..

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

What do you want, Ford to jump off a cliff with Holden or wait and get the plan right.
Just because Ford is not telling us their plans does not mean they don't have one.

Taurus for Australia was looked at and dismissed over two years ago yet the media keeps
banging on about it, their sources would have confirmed that ages ago, all of this goading is just fishing for answers..

They don't need to release the whole plan, just come out and say the Taurus isn't coming here (cause it isn't) and then say they have a plan for post 2016 and they plan on staying. They don't need to give the game away, just provide hope that they have a future. In no way do they need to give away any of their plans.

Originally Posted by csv8

KUGA is overpriced..TIGUAN kills it...Ford need to price better. Just because its Euro doesn't have to have a premium price. Maybe bring in the DACIA for $35k!!!! thats Euro !!!

Ford won't be able to compete until the new one arrives from Thailand from next year, were it will have a full line-up and the availability of diesel. I don't know what they were trying to achieve with the current version only being available in 2 top of the line turbo petrol versions, cause Germany wouldn't supply diesels or base models.

[russellw]

The remaining three sets of statistics are up for the month / quarter:

Supplementary Stats June 12

Segment Summary Q2

Truck Sales First Half

Cheers
Russ

[jpd80]

So with a pretty dismal first 6 months behind us:
1 Territory 7,695
2. Falcon 6,846
3. Ute 2,957

Total = 17,498

So if absolutely no increase in sales occurred in the second half, combined sale would be around 35,000 with a few exports thrown in..

I'm betting there's a 15-20% increase in the second half lifting the combined total closer to 40,000 and easing a few concerns for now...

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They don't need to release the whole plan, just come out and say the Taurus isn't coming here (cause it isn't) and then say they have a plan for post 2016 and they plan on staying. They don't need to give the game away, just provide hope that they have a future. In no way do they need to give away any of their plans.

mate, they have come out and said they will be here until the end of 2016 and no one believes that so what makes you think anyone would believe anything else they said. every month on AFF its the same thing about 'death of the falcon' etc.

the way i see it Ford don't have to humour the media. they are fishing. ford know they are fishing. they know that ford know they are fishing. its a game of cat and mouse. to me its just a handful of people on enthusiast forums that are doing the most damage with the doom and gloom. most of the noise comes from people who probably wouldn't even buy a falcon anyway, def not a new one.

the end of 2016 is still 4.5 years away for crying out loud. what more do people want??

[csv8]

Isn't Ford inviting a privileged few to a meeting in August ????

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by prydey

mate, they have come out and said they will be here until the end of 2016 and no one believes that so what makes you think anyone would believe anything else they said. every month on AFF its the same thing about 'death of the falcon' etc.

the way i see it Ford don't have to humour the media. they are fishing. ford know they are fishing. they know that ford know they are fishing. its a game of cat and mouse. to me its just a handful of people on enthusiast forums that are doing the most damage with the doom and gloom. most of the noise comes from people who probably wouldn't even buy a falcon anyway, def not a new one.

the end of 2016 is still 4.5 years away for crying out loud. what more do people want??

I get the feeling some people are complacent, rather then hold out till 2014 for the news, they take it that 2016 is the dying breath. All they see is sales numbers and mondeos, not plausable senarios.

Ford have showen great investment in australia, and the falcon. No one is denying the decrease in sales, but what peopl fail to see that it is that the falcon is still a name that is implanted amongst Australians, and there is still a basis for a RWD sedan.