TRP Racing Ford Falcon XR6T runs 9.1@159mph, update 8.48@165mph.

[CYC06T]

Originally Posted by QIK1

It will be interesting to see how these engines go with a few more revs (9000), a better ability to breath and 50 plus psi, I think we can expect to see that 7's aren't that far away with reasonable reliability. Money wise it's probably out of the normal persons grasp but it should be possible.

Phil did trp have to change much in the bay to fit the 47 and have they turned it up yet to see how it goes on the rollers?

Sure will. I have a feeling it will take a workshop car to really push these engines and car setups to an extreme level. I guess the question always will be whether you do it in such a heavy car, or if you go straight to a tube chassis car and go for really impressive ETs. Heavy cars just put so much more stress on all other components.

We didnt change anything to fit the 47 in. It fit when all of the original factory gear was still there ie. the power steering reservoir and the radiator overflow tank. All we had to do wa put a bit of thought into the manifold design to make sure the wastegate was reasonably accessible and that we could shut the bonnet.

Honestly we havent turned it up on the rollers. We couldnt get it to stop spinning the tyres at 36-38psi, so we never fed a heap more boost into it to see what was going to happen. We really wanted to get the car out there and just see what times it could pull. Obviously its working reasonably well so far,and Im sure it did surprise the boys that it went under 8.50 pretty easily, so we know we are atleast heading in the right direction. The plan was always for me to get behind the wheel, and we all knew that it would take a few meets to get up to speed, so there hasnt been a need to revisit the dyno yet. I would probably want to invest in a billet crank to feel comfortable in really turning up the wick.

If I were able to go better than the 8.48 in the next few meets, depending on how much better we run, I would have a think about where to next. I would probably look at stripping more weight out before just pumping more boost in. Maybe I'll just say F@ck it and do both....he he he

[QIK1]

Dlm will be Using the new 3.6 eng in there car. Already has all the fruit and then some but still based on the manual but once theyve got what they want out of that there's already an auto waiting to go in and get real serious.

I was always told losing weight is almost as good as more hp so no doubt when yas go down this path if yas go all out there will be alot to gain particularly out of the hole with abit of a change to the setup no doubt. As for more power and turning the wheels we're still struggling with ours, we're havin to strap down bloody hard and use 5th gear and even then it's still turning the tyres high in the rpm, that's when we're not breaking stuff lol so can only imagine the fun ya havin with yours!!!

[CYC06T]

Originally Posted by QIK1

Dlm will be Using the new 3.6 eng in there car. Already has all the fruit and then some but still based on the manual but once theyve got what they want out of that there's already an auto waiting to go in and get real serious.

I was always told losing weight is almost as good as more hp so no doubt when yas go down this path if yas go all out there will be alot to gain particularly out of the hole with abit of a change to the setup no doubt. As for more power and turning the wheels we're still struggling with ours, we're havin to strap down bloody hard and use 5th gear and even then it's still turning the tyres high in the rpm, that's when we're not breaking stuff lol so can only imagine the fun ya havin with yours!!!

Yeah, I had heard thats what was being used to power the beast. So the previous envy car is now a DLM car that has gone back to manual to clean up and will then go the auto. Looks like there are big plans in place - like all, I am interested to see what happens with a de-stroked motor.

As for your build, I completely understand as far as the dyno goes. The torque and aggressive power delivery makes it really hard to get an accurate run. Id love to say that breaking stuff is half the fun, but it is also frustrating, time consuming and expensive, so there are downsides.

It will be good to get your gearbox sorted and back on the rollers. Cant wait.

[sideways82]

5th - no wonder you break shiz all the time

[QIK1]

Originally Posted by sideways82

5th - no wonder you break shiz all the time

Have only used 5th the day we broke stuff and only because it's pretty much 1:1 with the diff gears we have at the moment.

Dlm are using there own car for the main build but also have another car with all the fruit as well but it'll be slightly different. As for other gear I'm pretty sure the staged kits have been put in boges car from elite and jamies from fpt.

[CYC06T]

Originally Posted by QIK1

Have only used 5th the day we broke stuff and only because it's pretty much 1:1 with the diff gears we have at the moment.

Dlm are using there own car for the main build but also have another car with all the fruit as well but it'll be slightly different. As for other gear I'm pretty sure the staged kits have been put in boges car from elite and jamies from fpt.

I knew Spiro would be bringing his car out with a 3.6Lt in it push for the fastest manual and then the fastest auto cars.

I heard at Jambo that Envy were bringing out a 3.6lt as well, but there may have been confusion with DLM.

I saw on another forum that DLM and ASSIST were building something. Isnt ASSIST the numebr plate on the envy car?

Its all good - keeping the competition guessing is all part of the fun. Its great to see more R&D into these cars and some new combos coming out. Keeps the sport healthy and alive and intersting.

[prasac]

who is DLM? is that Dragon's Lair Motorsports or something? they are putting their engine into the Envy Dyno old car?

i have seen so many people damage engine and break parts on the dyno they get all upset. i tell them, imagine if they were out at the track and it happened. it could cost you your life, let alone the car. 300km/h + slicks + water/oil/coolant, usually doesn't end very happily that's why we always tend to go overkill on everything.

[SteveJH]

Originally Posted by prasac

who is DLM? is that Dragon's Lair Motorsports or something? they are putting their engine into the Envy Dyno old car?

Yeah, Dragon's Lair Motorsport.

He's using his own car, I think he's also got bits and pieces floating around in 2-3 others including one of the guys from Elite....

Check the 600kw+ section on xr6t forum plus their sponsor section if you want more info on them...

[prasac]

i haven't heard of DLM before are they new on the scene or have they had another car out before? i'd be interested to see if Errol Quartermaine steps up also. he has been running 7's for a few years when it was in a Torana, now has the Falcon also.

ASSIST is the Envy Dyno car.

[CYC06T]

Originally Posted by prasac

i haven't heard of DLM before are they new on the scene or have they had another car out before? i'd be interested to see if Errol Quartermaine steps up also. he has been running 7's for a few years when it was in a Torana, now has the Falcon also.

ASSIST is the Envy Dyno car.

Yeah DLM is new on the scene based out of Qld. They have a cool website and are really progressing at setting up a ford turbo 6 performance outfit. Their website is worth a look, very well set-up.

Spiro, the owner (or one of the owners) is well known in the scene and has a very nicely prepared XR6 turbo. It has yet to make its debut with its new setup, but I am sure it will cause a splash from what I have seen. The guys have close ties to Brad from Atomic.

I have seen a few comments about a relationship between DLM and ASSIST, so not sure if the Envy guys are doing some work together??? Time will tell.

I havent seen/heard anything much more about Errol since he ran the 7.80s a while back. A full tube car like his/yours would be off the chart.

[prasac]

ok kool, it's good to see new blood out there. helps push everyone harder.

i think Errol races in Super Comp they are limited to a certain amount of boost that they are allowed to run, they are cube to weight and they run on an index (he might be holding back so as not to lower the index). yeah i don't remember hearing anything better than a 7.80@178 in the Falcon.

[CYC06T]

Originally Posted by prasac

ok kool, it's good to see new blood out there. helps push everyone harder.

i think Errol races in Super Comp they are limited to a certain amount of boost that they are allowed to run, they are cube to weight and they run on an index (he might be holding back so as not to lower the index). yeah i don't remember hearing anything better than a 7.80@178 in the Falcon.

Errol's definitely one to keep an eye out for in the future. He's really the only one running a twin turbo setup at a serious level.

I am looking to get the car out to the Full Throttle Friday on the 18th if all goes to plan. Should be good!

[prasac]

see ya there. pretty sure we are going out, think just going to leave it on the United E85 tune and see how we go. then test out the new fuel, we created our own little ethanol mix, so looking to see how it compares with the Platinum E85 race fuel we used to run. have about 400L it works out about 25% cheaper, higher octane and hopefully more consistent

[CYC06T]

Originally Posted by prasac

see ya there. pretty sure we are going out, think just going to leave it on the United E85 tune and see how we go. then test out the new fuel, we created our own little ethanol mix, so looking to see how it compares with the Platinum E85 race fuel we used to run. have about 400L it works out about 25% cheaper, higher octane and hopefully more consistent

Sounds good on mixing your own blend on the E85. We get ours from a local guy. I dont know the details, but it is about $55 for 20 litres. I have seen VPW in VIC do a 205lt E85 drum for $450 odd. It is supposed to be comparable to a 110 octane rating. I have considered getting a drum of it to have at home. Not sure on the octane rating of the juice we are currently using. I will try and suss out.

[prasac]

as long as it's pretty consistent within a few % all the time that is the main thing especially when racing. we used to run the Caltex E-Flex on the street we checked the ethanol it was 72%, so far the United E85 has been the most consistent it runs between 80-90% ethanol. the ethanol likes it a little fat, we usually run 11.5-11.8 @ the track, on the dyno was showing most power around 11.9-12.1 AFR but no point runing it that lean for an extra 10rwhp we have run as fat as 10.1 and as lean as 14.0 on the track, it was losing a few mph. luckily on the 14.0 we didn't lose more than just a few mph, the E85 and engine proved just how resilient it was that run. Joe saw the AFR's that high but it wasn't popping and it was still pulling so he kept into it

[CYC06T]

Originally Posted by prasac

as long as it's pretty consistent within a few % all the time that is the main thing especially when racing. we used to run the Caltex E-Flex on the street we checked the ethanol it was 72%, so far the United E85 has been the most consistent it runs between 80-90% ethanol. the ethanol likes it a little fat, we usually run 11.5-11.8 @ the track, on the dyno was showing most power around 11.9-12.1 AFR but no point runing it that lean for an extra 10rwhp we have run as fat as 10.1 and as lean as 14.0 on the track, it was losing a few mph. luckily on the 14.0 we didn't lose more than just a few mph, the E85 and engine proved just how resilient it was that run. Joe saw the AFR's that high but it wasn't popping and it was still pulling so he kept into it

You wouldnt want to run at an AFR of 14 for too long, or there will be a nice big BANG Im sure. Damn.....

I have some spare United E85 at home, although I am not sure how long you can have it sitting there without using it?? Its been there since early this year.

[prasac]

Originally Posted by CYC06T

You wouldnt want to run at an AFR of 14 for too long, or there will be a nice big BANG Im sure. Damn.....

I have some spare United E85 at home, although I am not sure how long you can have it sitting there without using it?? Its been there since early this year.

it was the whole pass he knows the car and engine very well, he backs off soon as he hears/feels something he doesnt like. the car is like his baby he would never intentionally hurt it

as long as it's sitting off the ground and not sucking in moisture it can last a while. i have heard years, but, i'd be tempted to get a new batch every 6-12 months. more on the 6 month side.

[CYC06T]

Originally Posted by prasac

it was the whole pass he knows the car and engine very well, he backs off soon as he hears/feels something he doesnt like. the car is like his baby he would never intentionally hurt it

as long as it's sitting off the ground and not sucking in moisture it can last a while. i have heard years, but, i'd be tempted to get a new batch every 6-12 months. more on the 6 month side.

Fair enough - I know how it feels to love your car like its a child or something! I wouldnt intentionally do anything to damage it!

[prasac]

Originally Posted by CYC06T

Fair enough - I know how it feels to love your car like its a child or something! I wouldnt intentionally do anything to damage it!

i love my little nugget also. only bad thing is it's a Dodge and not a Ford

[adz790]

thats quickkk

[adz790]

and in a street carrrrrrrr

[CYC06T]

Originally Posted by adz790

and in a street carrrrrrrr

Ths capri is a street car, but my falcon has been retired from street duties now. Just a race car as I move forward with it

[prasac]

Originally Posted by CYC06T

Ths capri is a street car, but my falcon has been retired from street duties now. Just a race car as I move forward with it

Joe's had the Capri too long to retire her from the street, she has went strong for over 20 years.

hopefully won't be too hot next Friday.

[CYC06T]

Originally Posted by prasac

Joe's had the Capri too long to retire her from the street, she has went strong for over 20 years.

hopefully won't be too hot next Friday.

Yeah - this hot humid weather is killing me! Wont make it any easier at the track in a damn race suit!

[prasac]

Originally Posted by CYC06T

Yeah - this hot humid weather is killing me! Wont make it any easier at the track in a damn race suit!

one of the reasons i'm not rushing to finish the car hopefully late Feb, early March it will be cooler

[Giant]

The funny thing is the cars look better go better and yet the crowd just doesn't turn up like it did 10 years ago.

[prasac]

Originally Posted by Giant

The funny thing is the cars look better go better and yet the crowd just doesn't turn up like it did 10 years ago.

cars have to look good now i think. alot of guys rely on support from sponsors. the crowds at the Track championships are a joke. more people come to a full throttle friday or test and tune. even, not as many cars get out for a track championship, we have went to 2 this year mainly just to test, there weren't alot of cars as u know yourself.

[CYC06T]

Originally Posted by prasac

cars have to look good now i think. alot of guys rely on support from sponsors. the crowds at the Track championships are a joke. more people come to a full throttle friday or test and tune. even, not as many cars get out for a track championship, we have went to 2 this year mainly just to test, there weren't alot of cars as u know yourself.

I like the thought of a super well presented car that just rolls off quick passes. To me, one of the things I love about the sport is that you can still have looks and killer ET's at the same time. I see so many big $ outfits with immaculate looking machines and it just makes me want one too, so I have put a bit of time and effort recently into getting the looks side of things back on track, now that we have got the performance side moving forward and achieving some of the goals I wanted to achieve. Hopefully, if it doesnt rain this Friday as predicted, pretty much the finished article will roll up on the line

As for crowds, I must admit it does seem to be dwindling. Its a shame, because it is such an interesting sport.

[prasac]

Originally Posted by CYC06T

I like the thought of a super well presented car that just rolls off quick passes. To me, one of the things I love about the sport is that you can still have looks and killer ET's at the same time. I see so many big $ outfits with immaculate looking machines and it just makes me want one too, so I have put a bit of time and effort recently into getting the looks side of things back on track, now that we have got the performance side moving forward and achieving some of the goals I wanted to achieve. Hopefully, if it doesnt rain this Friday as predicted, pretty much the finished article will roll up on the line

As for crowds, I must admit it does seem to be dwindling. Its a shame, because it is such an interesting sport.

Joe's was all bling bling when it first came out. over time and street driving it's hard to maintain. i was gonna tidy mine up after the season is over and the car is all sorted. freshen it all up, new colour etc. i prefer black (Stealth) over bling, there isn't much bling on my car, probably just the intake manifold (when i first got it, i wrapped it all up etc, now it gets treated like crap with spanners, sockets etc being put on it ) GrooveRyder, Dave (electrician) made everything look so neat and tidy i'd feel bad if i mess it up

the crowds still come if u market it well, APSA events, Jambo etc pull in big crowds. they have stands, fun stuff for the kids etc.

be good to see the car in the flesh on Friday, i know Joe was very impressed by it.

[CYC06T]

Originally Posted by prasac

Joe's was all bling bling when it first came out. over time and street driving it's hard to maintain. i was gonna tidy mine up after the season is over and the car is all sorted. freshen it all up, new colour etc. i prefer black (Stealth) over bling, there isn't much bling on my car, probably just the intake manifold (when i first got it, i wrapped it all up etc, now it gets treated like crap with spanners, sockets etc being put on it ) GrooveRyder, Dave (electrician) made everything look so neat and tidy i'd feel bad if i mess it up

the crowds still come if u market it well, APSA events, Jambo etc pull in big crowds. they have stands, fun stuff for the kids etc.

be good to see the car in the flesh on Friday, i know Joe was very impressed by it.

Yeah it is hard to maintain the car when it is constantly being worked on. Having said that, I am just trying to find a balance between looks and performance that I can live with, and that makes the photos look sweet at the track

Make sure you swing by and say gday on Friday. I will try and do the same. Let sjust hope the rain stays away!