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Great to see so many contributions. I wonder how many anti pot people drink and drive, even if they think they are under the limit? My experience when talking about this socially is that the drinkers seem to think the smokers are the bad guys and vice versa. I don't drink at all, and I always notice at social functions, how quickly 2 or 3 drinks changes people. How about their driving I always wonder as they continue to drink and drive just because its accepted pretty much, especially with the older generations I find.
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![]() Haha, I remember the North West in the 80's where BIG road trains were driven by hard men and distance was measured by stubbies consumed. Times change.
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With the amount of strong amphetamines coursing through their veins the grog wouldn't have touched the sides. I remember driving from Melbourne - Brisbane one year and watching an 18 wheeler overtaking on a blind corner, the days when the Hume Hwy was one lane each way.
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Interesting reading below I thought.
As for driving under the influence, of course it does have an effect. However it's not even close to the same level as alcohol. Quote:
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It was probably me, the Hume was fun back then, and no pills needed. Concentration and chat kept you awake all night. Waitaminute..........Melb-Bris via the Hume?? were you lost ? ![]()
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A whole heap of likely but not much definitely in those findings Grunter.
From my personal life experience with documentation to support it... 12 years ago I gave up smoking for a few months and began to suffer from chronic back pain. I was diagnosed with advanced Ankylosing spondylitis, a form of arthritis of the spine and associated joints, the Physician who diagnosed me couldn't understand how i'd made it to 29 without suffering from the symptoms, I was prescribed pain killers but they just made me crook so soon after I took up smoking again and the symptoms subsided. On occasion when i'd dry out for a few months the symptoms would emerge. Within 2 months of giving up permanently that changed and I take pain killers now, it most definitely has anti inflammatory characteristics. 10 years ago I decided to complete my HSC as I'd left school at 15 to work, I signed up to an adult re-entry school and scored a 19 for my studies, my Lecturer suggested a 20 to the powers that be and admitted I was the most switched on student he'd ever taught in 30+ years and then conceded that I wouldn't get the perfect score of 20 as people from the north of Adelaide never get recognised for outstanding achievement, his prediction was spot on. I lost a total of 5 marks from an entire years worth of yr11 and yr12 work. I was asked by my lecturer to write a letter to the then minister of sport and recreation here in SA to seek continued funding for Aquatics providers in SA as the Government was keen to remove funding at the time. I don't know wether my letter made any difference, but funding continued. I was encouraged to sit the UniSA entrance exam to become a sport and recreation teacher by my lecturer. I did work experience with Aquatics SA and was encouraged to seek full time employment upon completion by the senior instructor I worked alongside. I dove trucks for a while, never smoked before or during my shift but smoked in the evenings and would most likely have tested positive if tested during a shift from the residual effect. Of the 6 drivers employed by the small company at the time I was the only driver not to put so much as a scratch on my truck, delivered the most freight and did it all without a single speeding or red light camera fine, the rest of them succeeded in everything from knocking mirrors off to full write offs and had an account with the manager for their fines accrued. All whilst consuming pot on a daily basis. I could go on, but I know i'd be wasting my time because people just want to believe that people who smoke pot are beneath society. Last edited by BENT_8; 09-02-2017 at 05:25 PM. |
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As for calling on the CB, yes seriously. It happened all night, every night. Why would I look for a cheap gag, I did it for a living for >40 years.
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I think they should be testing for impairment rather than arbitrary numbers.
A guy that has a cone after dinner then goes through a drug test on the way to work in the morning is not likely to be any more impaired than anyone else. How do you test for impairment? That would be the hard part. |
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I think the main problem with any drug is that too many people don't know where to draw the line - this is ultimately the reason they end up driving with the drugs in their system. With alcohol the central issue is that it gives the drinker dutch courage and suddenly a stupid idea (drink driving) seems like a fun adventure. Then the snowball effect also comes into play - a few days later they decide that since they survived the first adventure they will up the ante and go again with more booze in their system or even take a bottle with them. Eventually chaos ensues. Most people that cause mayhem by drink driving are seasoned drinkers that think they are bulletproof due to their experience driving drunk. It's pretty rare that somebody slightly over the limit is involved in a serious crash. I read a lot of transcripts from court proceedings and I keep an eye on South Australian police reports - usually the people that cause death or serious injury have been drink driving for years. I have read about hundreds of serious road collisions but to date I have not come across a single example of somebody who was only detected with thc in their system causing death or serious injury. I have read a few cases where the person was detected with alcohol and thc in their system though. I'm sure it's happened but it doesn't seem very common, at least from what I've researched. |
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I handled some 1,800 motor accident cases over about a 12 year period, and my job was to look at the evidence and determine what caused the accident and to defend the accident for the CTP Insurers. What you said mirrors my experience-lots of alcohol involved with crashes and the alcohol being causative. I cannot recall ONE case where THC was by itself the major causative factor of the crash. There were a number of cases where the driver was ****ed and had THC as well. This parallels my experience with speed, I can count on one hand where excessive speed by itself was the major cause of an accident. Usually there were many other factors, like speed and alcohol, speed and heroin, speed and unsafe conditions like rain or excessive water running across the road, or speed and tyres not good enough in wet, or driving too fast for the road conditions involving tar in hot weather coming loose, or speed and inattention, ....or excessive speed and the driver ignoring signs of roadworks etc, or a big one- driving fatigued at speed after long underground shifts or late at night (horrible case of a mother very late driving her family into a freight train after driving many hours from Sydney and it was after midnight....fatigue is a bad thing to mix with excessive speed in the circumstances.
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The trucks were more likely to have 100 wheels than 18.
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Yeah, but does Bunkers count? :P
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Amphetamines have been used widely in transport circles for an eternity. 20,000,000 people in this land, you may know .0001% of drivers personal habits at one period of time. Personally I find it disturbing that your promoting this behaviour as 'manly'. Anybody who cant control alcohol/drugs is no ''man'' and has no right to drive. This country needs to redefine what it is to be a man these days because the current ''type'' is not working.
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Reckon that's picking the fly crap out of the pepper,sorry mate. We all know what he's talking about,even a non truckie,trucker,logistics professional (or whatever the term is) like me.
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To answer your OP I think any substance in your system that can effect your mental judgement when driving is dangerous & yes you should be punished accordingly to your offence, people should be held accountable for their own actions if breaking the law. |
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Yep. if you've ever driven a 70/80's era truck and a 2016 model you will know what I was referring to. Very much tongue in cheek.
The fridge they would keep the stubbies in was a plastic rubbish bin full of ice, usually to be found on the passenger floor. As for their drinking habits, I'm not condoning them at all, just telling it like it was up there back then.
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This is what us normal people have to contend with on our roads.
http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-...6836d69f6f7ddb
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The guy was an undiagnosed schizophrenic who had a psychotic episode. Interestingly the story published last week didn't offer that bit up but rather made it sound as though he was simply off his face on Marijuana which isn't necessarily true. The truth is he tested positive for Marijuana, which as we know is still present to testing methods for up to 6 hours after its use and long after its effect has worn off so to say he was under its influence is not necessarily the case. Its not like alcohol which when tested gives a current concentration level, it simply confirms that the person tested has used it within 6 hours prior. And 3 cones a day is nothing As I said early in the thread, people with underlying mental health problems shouldn't be anywhere near recreational drugs. Although the conduct of the clown in this story is not acceptable, for every story like this one, a thousand could be given where alcohol is the contributing factor, yet we condone its consumption and allow it to be present whilst in control of a vehicle. |
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But I suppose this person had a psychiatric condition - thinking he was God and could drive in whatever way, but it appears cannabis may have been involved in his sickness developing......
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