Dairy Farmer Issues

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by 383hq

I'm not located in vic, but it's a police state when I do go - didn't the regulators try and make raw milk buyers criminals recently with certain changes?

It came about cause dumb hippes were feeding their kids raw milk and then one died. But im sure the internet told them about all the chemicals or other bs that was in 'processed' milk.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by SYZ

And also note that 7% of Aldi's dairy product is imported.

At least give us the % of dairy products Coles and Woolies import.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by vztrt

It came about cause dumb hippes were feeding their kids raw milk and then one died. But im sure the internet told them about all the chemicals or other bs that was in 'processed' milk.

There has to more to it than that.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by Romulus

I don't live in Pigtoria either, however, we've Police/Nanny states in every state and Territory in this country. I believe anyone selling raw milk in WA can be fined. That said, I won't disclose where or who I get mine from.

This piece from Senator David Leyonhjelm sums it up very well how government thinks for us.

What the Senate nanny state inquiry taught me about public health lobbyists

by David Leyonhjelm

The Senate nanny state inquiry, which I chaired, has ended due to the election. Its seven short reports, available on the Parliament House website, make sobering and even disturbing reading.

Throughout the inquiry – during public hearings and in submissions – three things about Australian public health lobbyists came to worry me: a conceited arrogance in the face of evidence from overseas; a desire to make laws "for the greater good", and the belief that "appropriate" intellectuals know better than the rest of us.

Combined, the three tendencies also revealed a growing confluence between nanny-statism and the police state.

Arrogance was particularly blatant with respect to e-cigarettes, football policing, and bicycle helmets. Australian lobbyists ignored findings from Public Health England, the NHS, and various UK and EU police forces. It didn't seem to matter to them that other countries were just fine with people riding bikes without a helmet, singing rude songs at the football, or advertising e-cigs widely. The public health lobby's refusal to even listen was seriously embarrassing. I found myself apologising to witnesses from leading UK hospitals and universities.

Australia used to suffer from "the cultural cringe", where anything from overseas was assumed to be better than the local product. This seems to have been over-corrected – we now have a reverse cultural cringe. When it comes to the nanny state, we think we're so ****-hot we have nothing to learn.

Then there were calls for the enactment of legislation on the basis of "the greater good", which was particularly glaring during the lockouts hearing. This represents utilitarianism of the crudest sort.

Utilitarianism is a serious and important part of the Western liberal political tradition. However, it has long been recognised – including by smarter utilitarians – that legislation focusing on good outcomes for the majority at the expense of the minority is a bad idea. It becomes possible, for example, to justify subjecting 10 per cent of the population to misery if gains to the 90 per cent remaining are greater than the misery inflicted on the 10 per cent.

By this logic, Sydney's lockouts are defensible simply because there are more residents of Kings Cross who like lockouts than there are people – musicians, sex workers, and publicans – who have lost their jobs and businesses as a consequence.

Historically, some truly repellent activities – including slavery and genocide – have been excused on the basis of "the greatest good for the greatest number". It has a long and dishonourable history and has no place in public policy development in a liberal democracy.

And, as I learned, it has its origins in the belief that our educated betters have a right to substitute their preferences for our own.

If we persist in thinking people cannot make simple decisions about how to protect their own head, what games to play, when to drink or what to eat, why then do we think they can do something as complicated as voting, which involves choosing between different political visions? If people are so thick, should they even be allowed to vote?

There are two points to be made here. First, those who would treat us like children and substitute their minds for ours ignore that suffrage has history. One of the arguments against extending the vote to women and working-class men was that they were not fit to make political choices because they spent their money on frivolities such as beer, cigarettes and lacy dresses.

Every time those in love with their own expertise seek to regulate what people buy or wear or put in their mouths, they gloss over the fact that the people who shop and the people who vote are the same people.

Secondly, simply because individuals can make poor decisions does not mean governments make better ones. There is abundant evidence they generally don't, and because governments are so large, their bad decisions have far more expensive and destructive consequences: think of the failure of the State Banks of Victoria and South Australia in the '90s, and the pink batts scandal.

Finally, while people may eat unhealthy food or have poor taste in entertainment, they can be skilled at exercising political choice. The reverse also applies. For decades, many intellectuals supported communism, a political system that amounted to little more than a licence to murder.

Chairing the nanny state Inquiry taught me that if we let other people think for us, we will never think for ourselves.

David Leyonhjelm is a senator for the Liberal Democrats.



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Basically socialism is what's at play here, the defective squeaky wheel starts running the show and such leads all too the same cancer and this cancer is feeding off the 90% as such are totally under that power of the 10%, it's given power to what they idolise, there so called 'equality god'.
On paper such an equality god may look fine but in reality it's just a work of idolatry type of nonsense.
Such Political Correctness madness is in fact what the Nazis and Communist used to control the masses with and such work to make anyone who does not follow there degenerate ways to seen as an enemy of the State, you can't say this or that in fear of a bunch of cunning devious creeps who truly look down on not only freedom of speech but also everything is controlled by such of a type of criminal malice.

We see it everywhere nowadays, many sub contractors are not allowed to quote, you just accept some cunning malicious dogs offer or you will not get any work and many can't put on an apprentice, so at hand is the destructive working of the nations future and there is nothing you can do about it and if you do that mob of malicious people have ways of working to destroy your business.

[Agile]

Originally Posted by Squalo

I was actually going to make that point earlier - dairy farmers are in the limelight at the moment, but dairy is not the only farming game in town, nor is it the only one being damaged by the Coles/Woolworths duopoly.

As per the earlier point I made - it's not just milk, you need to buy the alternative brands for everything that you can.

Have just read through this thread and as the quote above states , it is THE DAMAGE !!!!!! being done to Australian producers of everything by the DUOPOLY in this country. DUOPOLY CONTROL of the market only happens in Communist Countries and you guessed it Australia.
And on top of that the ACCC is absolutely USELESS.

[jd dad]

Has been some years since I was directly involved with the bottled milk (called city milk in the industry) but to those saying it's had bits removed and water added-highly doubtful. A test called a freeze test measures the amount of water in this milk so as with the rest of the milks properties if it fails this test the processors will reject it for bottling. The only things added back then were some bags of powdered milk to make sure the freeze test was met and some skim to standardise the fat. Things might have changed over the years but there will still be mandatory standards for this milk.

[olfella]

Originally Posted by Agile

Have just read through this thread and as the quote above states , it is THE DAMAGE !!!!!! being done to Australian producers of everything by the DUOPOLY in this country. DUOPOLY CONTROL of the market only happens in Communist Countries and you guessed it Australia.
And on top of that the ACCC is absolutely USELESS.

What is this damage you speak of?
The producer gets paid. What can he ACCC do if no laws are broken? Maybe you should be lobbying the polies if you want the situation to change.
The bottom line is we all want cheap goods/groceries. The duolopy are delivering that. We also wanted cheap cars so our local manufactures are gone. The list goes on. We cannot have it both ways.

[Romulus]

There needs to be more competition in the grocery, hardware and fuel sectors. The duopoly of Woolworths and Coles, Woolworths Petrol and Coles Express, and Bunnings is a perfect environment for price fixing or price collusion.

[Agile]

Originally Posted by olfella

What is this damage you speak of?
The producer gets paid. What can he ACCC do if no laws are broken? Maybe you should be lobbying the polies if you want the situation to change.
The bottom line is we all want cheap goods/groceries. The duolopy are delivering that. We also wanted cheap cars so our local manufactures are gone. The list goes on. We cannot have it both ways.

In all sectors across all shelves in every Woolworths and Coles the maximum profit is extracted . Not a problem on the surface. But , for example, paper towel and toilet tissue was sourced from Asia and found to being "dumped' in Aust. below the cost of what it was for sale in its source country. Bloody fantastic for Coles etc because they made bigger profits but local manufacturing in SE Sth AUstralia was DECIMATED. Probably didnt even make the news in the eastern states.
Enter local INDEPENDANT SENATOR for SA. Stired the pot and found to be an ilegal breach of..........you guessed it a Free Trade Agreement. What did ACCC do? ....... Eventually after millions of taxpayer dollars they stopped the cheap imported paper product and stabilized the paper production in Australia........ BUT , did you notice CHEAP toilet paper on your shelves? I certainly didnt. Duopolies are bad news.
In the big picture, world wide, this whole FREE TRADE is a complete load of BS........ Ground swell movement across Europe to BUY LOCAL despite the cost. I know this from seeing it first hand last year, particularly in Italy.

[XWGT]

The real problem is that as long as the big 2 remain unchallenged, even protest buying more expensive milk puts more profits in their tills

We desperately need alternative 3 and 4 in Australia.

No idea who its going to be or how as even Aldi struggle in reality, but take a 5 minute wander around a supermarket in the UK and you will quickly discover how badly we are being stiffed for choice and competition here.

[kazawaki]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

2 of my customers on those lists (one on each)
Bega and Tatura.. They are both Aussie owned and in fact the same company!
Once again interweb BS methinks

Just to add a side comment Aussie company Bega pays halal certification ,dont get me wrong i research and look for Aussie company's but refuse to support halal certified products ,any food or goods that have this Tax including Vegimite i will not purchase no matter what.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by kazawaki

Just to add a side comment Aussie company Bega pays halal certification ,dont get me wrong i research and look for Aussie company's but refuse to support halal certified products ,any food or goods that have this Tax including Vegimite i will not purchase no matter what.

OK

[Beastie]

So is it fair to say that cheap milk is a loss leader for the Colesworths empire just to get you in the door?

What would happen to the Dairy Farmer Industry if Colesworths just stopped buying milk (in the volumes they do)?

Would the Colesworths empire collapse - no...

Would the Dairy Farmer Industry collapse - probably...

Be careful what you wish for...

Should Colesworths pay our Dairy Farmers more - Yes

IMO there are only three options;

1. The suppliers withhold supply and raise the price of the product, calling the Colesworths bluff, but are they in a position to do that - no!
2. The Govco steps in and supports the Dairy Farmers Industry. Will they do that - probably not!
3. Colesworths pay the Dairy Farmers more.

Unless option 3 is chosen then unfortunately, the way I see it, no matter how many people buy 'branded' milk over Colesworths milk, it will only hurt the Dairy Farmers, as Colesworths will just reduce their purchasing volumes.

[Trump]

The dairy industry issues highlight just how detrimental Colesworth are to the nation.

Oh and there's no such thing as Colesworth selling anything at a loss, the term loss leader is a huge misnomer. Everything they sell, no matter how much "on special" anything is, is sold for a profit.

[tranquilized]

At the end of the day we live in a Capitalist, free market economy/society. (Socialism at play? umm no, it's the polar opposite )

So the companies want to maximise profit as much as possible, and the consumers want to pay less and less, hence the situation we're now in with a crazy duopoly situation in the grocery market. But this only exists because the consumers continue to make the choices they do.

What could be done to change the situation? Even if the government went on a legislation spree what could they do to reign in the big two? Very little I'd suggest.

The only way to improve the situation for the most amount of people is for consumers to make smarter choices. Unfortunately that usually involves spending a little more money. NEVER buy the generic brand. Always buy meat from a butcher. Always buy fruit and veg from a green grocer. Buy as little as possible from Colesworth and support local business, which in turn supports local suppliers and manufacturers. If more people did this the world would be a better place and the only one's who'd suffer are the shareholders of Colesworth.

[bobthebilda]

Coles and Woolworths have been able to build up their businesses due to one main reason. The margins they operate on are shocking. I havent read their financial statements for a few years, but i remember them making approx. 2 to 3 percent Net Profit on their turnover. Companies like Telstra and BHP (at the height of the commodities boom) had 30% plus (of turnover) dropping down to the profit line.

No one in their right mind would go and set up a business if they thought they were only going to be earning such low returns on turnover. And no Dairy Farmers would invest that sort of money if they had to operate on the profit margins of the large retailers.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by kazawaki

Just to add a side comment Aussie company Bega pays halal certification ,dont get me wrong i research and look for Aussie company's but refuse to support halal certified products ,any food or goods that have this Tax including Vegimite i will not purchase no matter what.

Do you extend this to other denominations? eg. Gloria Jeans? Sanitarium?

[mcflux]

Originally Posted by kazawaki

Just to add a side comment Aussie company Bega pays halal certification ,dont get me wrong i research and look for Aussie company's but refuse to support halal certified products ,any food or goods that have this Tax including Vegimite i will not purchase no matter what.

Great post bro.

Just a side comment to this side comment Aussie company Bega pays for the Heart Foundation's Tick certification, don't get me wrong I research and look for Aussie companies but refuse to support Heart Foundation Tick certified products, any food or goods that have this Tax including Vegemite* I will not purchase no matter what.**

* Vegemite actually doesn't have Heart Foundation approval

** I actually do buy Bega. And Vegemite, because the two combined are frikken awesome.

[kazawaki]

Originally Posted by b0son

Do you extend this to other denominations? eg. Gloria Jeans? Sanitarium?

Yep I don't care what brand it is I will not buy Halal certified products.I would rather go without than contribute to a cause that I do not believe in.Example Halal salt how do you bleed out salt ?????. RSPCA approved chickens sold in coles etc that have been slaughtered in humanely by RSPCA oun standards but they are certified Halal.

[kazawaki]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Great post bro.

Just a side comment to this side comment Aussie company Bega pays for the Heart Foundation's Tick certification, don't get me wrong I research and look for Aussie companies but refuse to support Heart Foundation Tick certified products, any food or goods that have this Tax including Vegemite* I will not purchase no matter what.**

* Vegemite actually doesn't have Heart Foundation approval

** I actually do buy Bega. And Vegemite, because the two combined are frikken awesome.

I buy Dick Smith ozemite because it is Australian owned and all profits go to charity.God knows what that has to do with heart tick ??.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by kazawaki

Yep I don't care what brand it is I will not buy Halal certified products.I would rather go without than contribute to a cause that I do not believe in.Example Halal salt how do you bleed out salt ?????. RSPCA approved chickens sold in coles etc that have been slaughtered in humanely by RSPCA oun standards but they are certified Halal.

Agreed. We have a non halal policy in our household for anything we purchase.

[wackyv8]

I.G A , and the independants . your local butcher ,baker ,veg grocer , and even your independant locally owned bottle shop for beer . so many take it for granted - lowest price is the best price . maybe im **** but, truly , its not . make an educated decision .

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by kazawaki

Yep I don't care what brand it is I will not buy Halal certified products.I would rather go without than contribute to a cause that I do not believe in.Example Halal salt how do you bleed out salt ?????. RSPCA approved chickens sold in coles etc that have been slaughtered in humanely by RSPCA oun standards but they are certified Halal.

Wow you are really forcing Australian producers to face a tough decision.

Do they wish to increase profits with Halal certification making their products accessible to the worlds 1.6 billion Muslims?

Or appease a couple of local pseudo pointy heads?

Tough decision....

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

Wow you are really forcing Australian producers to face a tough decision.

Do they wish to increase profits with Halal certification making their products accessible to the worlds 1.6 billion Muslims?

Or appease a couple of local pseudo pointy heads?

Tough decision....

It's a marketing ploy. Muslims have been eating hahal food for centuries prior to certification.

[kazawaki]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

Wow you are really forcing Australian producers to face a tough decision.

Do they wish to increase profits with Halal certification making their products accessible to the worlds 1.6 billion Muslims?

Or appease a couple of local pseudo pointy heads?

Tough decision....

Not sure about the pointy head it is about peoples choice to not have to contribute to a scheme that is all about money nothing to do with religion.Perfect example cadburys used to mark there products with halal certification but after a backlash they removed the marking but continue to pay certification that's just sneaky.Fair enough some people don't care but think about the labeling confusion about Australian made and fresh food that must have origin clearly displayed,all being fair why is it not fair that all Hallal products are clearly marked so people have a choice.Think about it next time you eat Mc, donalds, Kentucky fried chicken, Red rooster ,your local kebab after a few drinks at the pub, Subway or Sugar that's a real good one ALL SUGAR IS halal.

[Trump]

Before we get this thread back on topic, I'll say this about the halal certification scheme: it is completely bogus. How have I come to this conclusion you may be thinking? Because 18 months ago, a smallgoods producer paid to have their short cut bacon halal certified... A few shipments went out to Colesworth before someone within this particular organisation twigged that something was amiss. That's just one example I was privy to, there are shedloads more.

There isn't anything govco could do even if it wanted to. Consumers need to make the decision to not buy from Colesworth and the farmers need to withhold supply to Fonterra and Murray Golburn until they pay them a fair price for their product.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by Romulus

It's a marketing ploy. Muslims have been eating hahal food for centuries prior to certification.

Originally Posted by kazawaki

Not sure about the pointy head it is about peoples choice to not have to contribute to a scheme that is all about money nothing to do with religion.Perfect example cadburys used to mark there products with halal certification but after a backlash they removed the marking but continue to pay certification that's just sneaky.Fair enough some people don't care but think about the labeling confusion about Australian made and fresh food that must have origin clearly displayed,all being fair why is it not fair that all Hallal products are clearly marked so people have a choice.Think about it next time you eat Mc, donalds, Kentucky fried chicken, Red rooster ,your local kebab after a few drinks at the pub, Subway or Sugar that's a real good one ALL SUGAR IS halal.

Cool stories fellas not sure how it helps dairy farmers....

[kazawaki]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

Cool stories fellas not sure how it helps dairy farmers....

https://a2milk.com.au/our-farms This doing both and the only milk that we will be buying.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

Cool stories fellas not sure how it helps dairy farmers....

It doesnt. People pushing their agenda.

[kazawaki]

Originally Posted by vztrt

It doesnt. People pushing their agenda.

Click on the link for A2 farms that's how.