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Only 750 XR8 sedans were sold last year, so is that Ford trying to get rid of it? I don't think so but it could be that XR6T now towers over the XR8 in popularity. |
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But yes, I agree, Ford are masters of self-fulfilling prophecies.
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Let's just hope for the sake of those that are hoping for continued opportunity into the entry level performance V8 market, that Ford grace us with some definitive information. I've been working on getting solid info for the last year almost... and I consider myself to have pretty good access. |
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Thanks for the update JPFS1,
I only hope that people support Ford performance by continuing to buy the XR6T and G6ET in the absence of a good V8..... |
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There is a right way to express opinion and a wrong way. The forum serves the medium for that expression. However the internet is also a useful "tool" in which people feel the need to be right 100% of the time and that is pretty rare. Expressing disappointment with this situation might be construed as being an alarmist or centred in negativity but by the same token when Ford is actively promoting Ecoboost for 2011 right now, there is a rightful question to be asked. There are parallels that can be drawn between the two situations. There are always two sides and as a community we are meant to recognise and respect the ability to express without writing it off to the lowest common denominator which, you guessed it, also gets an equal serving on forums. Resist the temptation to make those easy flippant comments and you won’t get into any trouble. Have a say and explain yourself on the topic and not the authors of counter points, and life will be good.
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Patience is a vertue.
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The speculation and negativity could have been avoided if Ford simply left the XR8 nameplate on their website with a TBA beside it. THis would peeked everyones curiosity and buyers would have maybe held off until the release.
Remaining tight lipped is doing them harm. (Most people remember back to XE). |
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2009 results for Ford and FPV are as follows: Sedans: XR6T 1423 XR8 734 G6ET 1323 GT 543 GT-P 102 GS 156 F6 446 Utes; XR6T 869 XR8 843 Pursuit 23 Super Pursuit 183 GS 58 F6 153 |
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Absolutely. Just dont call it XR8. Use GS, and anyone `enthusiastically` buying a Ford V8 will know what it is supposed to be. A V8 Falcon for those not wanting into a FPV. Not the big brother that doesnt match its 6 cylinder sibling.(XR8). `XR` should be left to the car that made a household name. XR6. It bloody deserves it! Use GS for the V8 version of the G series, a proper big boy model for the FG bodyshell, and the GT etc can be the domain of FPV. GS as a FPV can only hurt the future value of the most important moniker, GT. And isnt the GT the important car in its stable? XR8 hasnt really done as well as SS or XR6. I dont believe its a `historic` label. Just ditch it. ![]()
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Hmmmmmmm. In the utes, more V8's were sold than turbo 6's.
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I agree that the XR6(T) has a high status, most likely higher than XR8's, but you do realise that Ford have two performance cars in that pricing bracket instead of Holden's one. It appears the Ford buyers have preferred the quicker six (in sedan form anyway), whereas Holden buyers have only one choice. Importantly, though, the fact that the XR6(T) has been a great performer should make you think Holden has failed in the six cylinder market, not Ford failing with the XR8. If you look at the ute range (see above post for sales stats) you will see the XR8 is as popular as the XR6t. I guess that throws the slow-selling-XR8 theory out the window. Quote:
Historically, the GS was also a 6 cyl, so you can't say an "enthusiast" will know what it's supposed to be - especially if they knew what the original GS stood for. Also, you can't have the GS move overnight from being an FPV badged product to a Ford badged product, as you suggested with the GS. They have done this already with the XR8, and if they repeat this again it will only show that Ford/FPV can't make up their minds. It proved they new what they were doing when they ditched the Fairmont name, though. They should do the opposite to what you're suggesting; change nothing, except for the package itself. Provide a distinguishable performance gap between the XR6t and XR8.
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Maybe. If they do nothing the XR8 will continue as it always has, (at least since BA, the AU had an appreciable performance gap, all its predecessors were as today) needing too much expensive massaging from the aftermarket to be competitive with the two top shelf aussie sports sedans, XR6(T) and SS. I may not be as informed as the ultimate blue blooded Ford nut, but that gives me a rationable objectionable perspective. Bluntly, the XRLATE is pretty much the elephant in the corner.
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![]() You have to remember Ford brought in the Turbo to counter import sales to get some sales as they saw this as an easy target, IMO they acheived that and then some across the sedans and utes, for Ford the Turbo was a resounding success. The younger generation would be the ones buying the turbos and they are the new gen of Ford enthusiasts, the price to pay was slow sales of the XR8 which is a shame but the XR8 will still be around but probably as an FPv not a Ford.
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hahaha, I got the EXACT same email, if everyone here emails Ford they may reintroduce the XR8 quicker under demand.
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There's always the possibility that Ford are waiting till the release of the VE2 for them to introduce the new V8's, as a way of stealing some of its thunder.
Holden have done it more than a few times, maybe Ford want to get one back. Would be a good way of stealing some attention away. |
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`Illusion` might be the new invisible XR8 colour soon.
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Interesting and who would know for sure. The following is not gospel just some of what I get told occasionally ........ I received a phone call in January 2009 telling me that the XR8 (as we know it) would be going and the only V8s would be FPV vehicles. I was told that V8s would only come out of FPV and no longer from the main plant and that included utes.
I did relay this to a few people (Theo at Bluepower will remember this) and there were those who laughed at this pearler but so did the thread here on the AFF when I also told them that Ingall was going to Holden 9 months before it hit the Press. Same source also told me Lowndes was going to Holden 18 months in advance. Time will tell - well that is stating the obvious! No need to burn me at the stake as this is merely a sharing of what could prove to be completely untrue and Ford are always changing their minds, anyway, I reckon the car will be badged an entry FPV vehicle and priced much higher than it currently is. I did think that the GS release was a toe in the water......... GT
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AUSTRALIA'S QUICKEST UNOPENED N/A GT AND FIRST IN THE 11 SECONDS....................... 11.96 @ 117.88mph & 11.97 @ 118.11mph (60ft 1.69)
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That a side..... How hard is it for Ford to give us some info... JUST SOME!! |
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