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And both profession can get it wrong. When my 1980's house was built;
a) the GAS installer placed the instantaneous HWS too close to the meter (right next to it) and it had to be moved before the GAS company would issue the required approvals. b) I discovered (when I plugged in a test plug device) that most of my power points were not earthed as the sparkie had relied on simply screwing the grub screw so far in that it would pierce the insulation on the earth wire; in most cases this didn't happen and the power points weren't earthed. He also had the wires mixed on the front external light; we didn't find that one until we retrofitted RCDs and one tripped every time we turned on the front light.
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Plumbers/gas fitters also issue safety certificates for their work. |
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As for the real estate not helping, that doesnt surprise me. Unfortunately your agreement is with the gas company. They are the ones that would have to investigate the issue first. If its found to be an issue with the property then it becomes the landlords problem and he has to act, or if there is an obvious leak within the property.
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Hello,
You have already said stuff you cant take back. If it goes to Court, there is nothing to stop you defending your-self. All you have to do is seem like a fair and reasonable person in your actions. Ask questions, like did I break a seal ? Why is there not a special nut that is tamper-proof to stop people undoing the connection ? I used the correct type of Gas and fitment, is this any different to what a Gas-fitter would do ? Any utility company will always be slow responding when they are making more money. See how quickly they respond if you have a water leak before the meter ! You were motivated to find the source of large Bills, that is very different to trying to cheat them. Given the delay from when you reported the problem, it should all work in your favour. |
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Slightly off topic question, but what would happen of the OP was actually a licensed gas fitter (perhaps licensed but not practicing full time) and did this act? Other than losing his license, what are the ramifications?
On topic: Sorry to hear of your ordeal EATurbo. I feel your pain with gas bills. Mine are high also and I have also questioned it only for it to fall on deaf ears. I haven't thought about converting to bottles until now since its mentioned. Not sure what would be involved. I do own my own home which is a bonus. I would limit your involvement about this on public forums. I know it's hard to trace this to you personally but govco is govco and have ways to infiltrate.
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Regardless you are qualified or not I would imagine you would be prosecuted & fined, no paperwork & certificates were issued to relevant authority plus you were tampering with metered equipment which would only be accessed by relevant authority own gas fitters or contractors who are authorised. |
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Mate you know you've done wrong, calling you an idiot isn't going to fix that so I wont bother
Id be very surprised if they sting you 20k in fines, my biggest concern will be when they reconnect that they may find something else wrong in the system unrelated to what youve done and still try to stick you with the repair And I don't envy you my mrs would kill me if this happend to us |
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I'd really like to know how you go with the ombudsman LPG is more expensive than NG (I have 45kg cylinders here and it hurts in winter) my my monthly in winder is 1 $105 cylinder exactly I would assume your would be less expensive as much of mine would be cylinder rental, delivery and so on so $600 odd is ludicrous |
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Tell them to stick the gas up their clacker. Go and buy a small hotplate or a little plug in benchtop oven for your cooking. Hot water will be a little more difficult though. Boil the kettle? Shower at the caravan park across the road?
The whole country is in such a nanny situation now and it seems that every statutory authority is a training ground for dictators. No more "she'll be right mate" in this country now. The original Aussie is dead.
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They would work out what appliances you have, work out what the maximum MJ load would be and then work out of the gas usage is possible. In Victoria its called a MHA gas order. |
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For everyone having issues with your high bills. If it is electricity or gas and you want your meter tested. You will be told by your retailer you will be charged if no fault.
But there is a way you can get it tested and it may be free. Go to the Ombudsman tell them you have a high invoice and you spoken to the retailer multiple times. Make sure you call the retailer and complain about the bill a couple of times. Record date time and who you spoke to so you can give this to the Ombudsman. Tell the Ombudsman you want a meter test and because its with the Ombudsman you may not get charged for the meter test. The 3 retailers I have worked for never charged for meter tests when an Ombudsman case came up. |
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Make mention of this if it goes to Court. It will show they have done the wrong thing, you caught them out hence the lack of action now. That alone is fraud, see who else has had the same trouble and there may be Legal action you can take against them. Get them on the back-pedal ! |
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The people who are going to hand out the punishment are Department of natural resources and mines and has nothing to do with sending a gas bill out or filling up gas bottles. Department of natural resources and mines may take it into consideration when making a decision about what has happened, but at the end of the day they are only concerned that gas worked was carried out by an unlicensed person. If op wants to dispute gas costs he needs to go back to Origin. |
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I agree with what xisled has mentioned. I to, work for a retailer - best way would be through the Ombudsman, it actually gets things done. You're going through enough already if it's any help have you tried applying for a Home Energy Emergency Assistance Scheme? Also, perhaps look at talking with legal aid and see if there's any advice they can give. Good luck
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I realize this, but if you can make a case where you have been overcharged by them before, and did nothing wrong other than not being licensed it will work in your favour if it does go to Court. Were the partly empty bottles replaced before on a charge for Gas used, or scheduled replacement ? That is the key point. Look at a Gas bill, is there a warning not to disconnect it ? |
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Nooo way they'll hit you for 20 grand.
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I asked for the service to be cancelled and disconnected as I had no intentions of using it again. Now I have to waste my time dealing with them. It will be entertaining for my work colleagues who'll overhear it. |
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Last edited by nuthin' fancy; 13-03-2016 at 12:03 AM. Reason: I'll wait to see your legal qualification before I display your advice |
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I wasn't supporting the idea one bit......just sharing an eg of a guy renting who was doing that for many years!all be it the legal way it turns out
![]() And 'nuthin fancy'......I was simply trying to help the guy! I wasn't giving legal advice, as I noticed no one had bought up the subject and was surprised! A quick search of the laws suggests there is a Minimum of 24 hrs notice,at best, for certain inspections of rental properties! As I'd suggested from pure common sense....it's a privacy matter! Most cases it's a written 7 day wait for owners too inspect a property. So I would highly suggest the OP to bring this up to their lawyer.....as the initial incriminating information may have been acquired illegally/without consent! Last edited by 1TUFFUTE; 13-03-2016 at 05:26 PM. |
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The law may say that the landlord can't go onto the property but I'd say the courts would side with them on an illegal modification. Nothing would stop me going onto my rental if I knew they played with the gas. I'm sure the insurance would not be wanting to pay out in the event of an explosion.
I'm not having ago at the op. Just sharing my view on the landlord issue |
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And your actually (potentially) encouraging breaking the law if you charge onto your rental property! ( My brother in law right at this moment is waiting for his landlord to fix a faulty earth on their house....it's zapping them in the shower ![]() So my point is.....there is actually allowances for emergency inspections in rentals......but unless the owner is the qualified responder.....he has to apply for inspection. |
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