Fords on Fire

[Peterwl]

Originally Posted by GTP534

We don't need your suggestions or advice. You like him, fine but when someone posts something you don't agree with, you resort to personal insults with sarcastic childish comments and come across as an arrogant boor.

Cadogan is not professional in any sense of the word, I think he used the word lapsed. He lacks objectivity and I certainly wouldn't want him in my corner in dealings with a manufacturer. Hes not even an itch that needs to be scratched.

You are getting rather plural ( and boorish ) all of a sudden, others here have appreciated my posts. This thread is full of sarcastic boors and worse, so I am not out of place. An if you actually looked, I only respond, not initiate.

I have to again disagree with you, John Cadogan is Professional and successful.

[solarite_guy]

What I have discovered over time is, NOBODY can understand EVERYTHING. NOBODY.

My uncle was a world sports car driver. My grandfather supported Roger Penske and Mark Donahue. I have a little bit of background and have developed algorithms since I was young.

Yet, people can have certain areas of expertise. But that is about it. I can spec out a camshaft or design an induction and exhaust system better than most. Does that mean I know everything about those areas? We all have more to learn. Learning is what makes it fun. It is always good to learn.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Peterwl

I did not use one vulgar word, such sensitivity. But while I am here could you explain what your post on "Vegetables" and "Woolies" has to do with Fords that burn and John Cadogan ?

I am at a loss what it means ?

I was referring to cadogen and your other examples.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by solarite_guy

What I have discovered over time is, NOBODY can understand EVERYTHING. NOBODY.

My uncle was a world sports car driver. My grandfather supported Roger Penske and Mark Donahue. I have a little bit of background and have developed algorithms since I was young.

Yet, people can have certain areas of expertise. But that is about it. I can spec out a camshaft or design an induction and exhaust system better than most. Does that mean I know everything about those areas? We all have more to learn. Learning is what makes it fun. It is always good to learn.

OT big trading firms use super fast algorithms and try to concentrate nearest the exchange, in order to front run other market orders. It's got to the stage where they are firing data through lasers to get there faster, and execute against slower algos (and Joe Public). NANEX documented one incident where the trades actually went through before the quotes to execute them hit the market, so technically, they warped time into the future. Algorithms are cool.

RE Tin foil hats, they would tend to concentrate the mind rays into the brain if they are open. Real conspiracy nuts know a tin foil fully body condom is the only way. Breathing might be hard though.

[solarite_guy]

That is so funny. I love that.

I started off with a programmable Ti SR71 back in the early 70s, then migrated to a Commadore 128, Then to Intel.

These days I have a database of 4,000 master camshaft lobes. Any of which can be tweaked for almost nothing in this day of CNC grinders. I get a lot of pleasure in setting up a good camshaft. Exhaust and induction, you just have to know everything about the combination and design.

[Peterwl]

Another Ford Kuga car fire at Bega 4 days ago on the highway.

I know how we all want to see John Cadogans comments on this, but I decided to cross check his story.

He is right again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2Gshh0v4MQ


Bega District News covered this fire event.

http://www.begadistrictnews.com.au/s...-bega-highway/

The male driver, his wife and two daughters exited the vehicle at the Finucane Ln turn off just south of Bega before the engine burst into flames.

[Stefan]

Hyundais are much worse...even their spare parts burst into flames.

You buy a few spares and next thing your whole house burns to the ground

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-0...damage/6661798

[MattstaF6]

This guy is an idiot. He thinks he is an expert but knows nothing

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by MattstaF6

This guy is an idiot. He thinks he is an expert but knows nothing

The guys that have a clue aren't ranting on YouTube.

[pauljh74]

Originally Posted by GTLEGEND

Petrol will not catch fire or ignite from landing on an exhaust system, the flash point is not hot enough.

For fuel to ignite you need an electrical spark or a flame.

Flash point is where the liquid fuel starts to give off vapour - which is around 25 degrees for petrol and 75 degrees for diesel. Put a match or spark to these fuels when the liquid, or the part exposed to flame reaches these temps and it will ignite.

A hot exhaust could auto-ignite fuel without a flame at the following temps according to my quick Google

Gasoline (Petrol) 247–280 °C (477–536 °F)
Ethanol 363 °C (685 °F)
Diesel or Jet A-1 210 °C (410 °F)
Butane 405 °C (761 °F)

Exhaust manifold temps could exceed these under load and therefore could result in fire.

[xtremerus]

Originally Posted by pauljh74

Flash point is where the liquid fuel starts to give off vapour - which is around 25 degrees for petrol and 75 degrees for diesel. Put a match or spark to these fuels when the liquid, or the part exposed to flame reaches these temps and it will ignite.

A hot exhaust could auto-ignite fuel without a flame at the following temps according to my quick Google

Gasoline (Petrol) 247–280 °C (477–536 °F)
Ethanol 363 °C (685 °F)
Diesel or Jet A-1 210 °C (410 °F)
Butane 405 °C (761 °F)

Exhaust manifold temps could exceed these under load and therefore could result in fire.

You would think a lit cigarette would ignite petrol, but it doesn't.
Mythbusters proved that one.

[Peterwl]

Originally Posted by GTLEGEND

Petrol will not catch fire or ignite from landing on an exhaust system, the flash point is not hot enough.

For fuel to ignite you need an electrical spark or a flame.

I have just done a little research on this matter and based on published ignition temperatures of Petrol and its vapors and the temperature of exhaust manifolds, it appears that ignition is very possible if petrol hits a hot manifold in a confined area.

Petrol as previously stated can ignite from 232 degrees C upwards.

Vapors of petrol appear to be far more dangerous. They can go off at ambient temperature.

Exhaust manifolds at operating temperature and under load can get to 530 to 640 degrees C.

The air / petrol vapor ratio has to be within 1.4 % to 7.6 % for this to happen.

This excellent link gives us all the info on petrol and its vapors explained for all to understand.

https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003...istopher.shtml

There are some excellent scientific papers around the net on this subject. Reading them can be a bit tedious, but to summarize, there are a lot of variables to such an ignition event. Even Octane rating, temperature of the petrol, the size, shape, and material of the hot surface can alter when it happens.

[Peterwl]

Originally Posted by xtremerus

You would think a lit cigarette would ignite petrol, but it doesn't.
Mythbusters proved that one.

Looks like cigarettes igniting petrol is a hit and miss affair. They can do it, all depends on how it lands.

This is an interesting article on the very subject.

http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae1.cfm

The red warning at the end tells the story !

[prydey]

wow, you can learn all sorts off the interweb.

you should start a youtube channel to 'enlighten' people

[Peterwl]

Originally Posted by prydey

here is some truth. all the vegetables and fruit in woollies are out of my garden. fact. here is a bit more detail.... they were never in my garden!

Its easy to claim 'truth' and 'fact' when you don't tell the whole story, or only tell certain sides to the story.

He is a sensationalist who likes the sound of his own voice.



so, how many proficient skilled tradesmen end up on making youtube clips instead of working in their apparent field of expertise?

He is informative... the same way tracey grimshaw is on ACA. He is a bully who uses offensive language and big words to try make himself sound credible. Unfortunately, as far as ford is concerned, he is a self confessed ford hater, so pretty much impossible for him to be objective.

i certainly don't feel informed after watching any of his clips (or smarter for that matter). I bet he's about 5 foot tall with small man syndrome.

Perhaps you can enlighten us about this post of yours.

Remember “Woolies” “vegetables” and “your garden”

You left out the fairies !

Now, your were trying to stitch some coherent words together about Fords on Fire and John Cadogan.

Now which one am I ? Woolies ?

Is John Cadogan the Vegetables ?

It was a silly post wasn’t it ?

Don’t blame you if you cannot explain it to us.

Moral :- in a glass house, don’t throw stones.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Peterwl

Perhaps you can enlighten us about this post of yours.

Remember “Woolies” “vegetables” and “your garden”

You left out the fairies !

Now, your were trying to stitch some coherent words together about Fords on Fire and John Cadogan.

Now which one am I ? Woolies ?

Is John Cadogan the Vegetables ?

It was a silly post wasn’t it ?

Don’t blame you if you cannot explain it to us.

Moral :- in a glass house, don’t throw stones.

internertz has given me this

i love you x x x

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Peterwl

Perhaps you can enlighten us about this post of yours.

Remember “Woolies” “vegetables” and “your garden”

it needed explaining? really?

it was merely pointing out that 'truth' and 'facts' can be misleading if the whole story isn't told.

when i said the products were out of my garden, that is 100% factual. it is simply a bit of a dad joke and a poor one at that. I'm surprised it needs explaining really. you will notice i didn't say the products 'came' out of my garden. simply they were 'out of my garden', meaning, they aren't in my garden.

its how people like cadogen work. they use the english language in such a way that it paints a certain picture, and on the surface, all appears factual and truthful. there is always a more detailed version though, and its never as 'sensational' as the version he portrays.

[pottery beige]

$10 peterwl wears a cardigan

[Peterwl]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

internertz has given me this

i love you x x x

No, I will pass on this. I only form relationships with humans !

[Peterwl]

Originally Posted by prydey

it needed explaining? really?

it was merely pointing out that 'truth' and 'facts' can be misleading if the whole story isn't told.

when i said the products were out of my garden, that is 100% factual. it is simply a bit of a dad joke and a poor one at that. I'm surprised it needs explaining really. you will notice i didn't say the products 'came' out of my garden. simply they were 'out of my garden', meaning, they aren't in my garden.

its how people like cadogen work. they use the english language in such a way that it paints a certain picture, and on the surface, all appears factual and truthful. there is always a more detailed version though, and its never as 'sensational' as the version he portrays.

OK, we will let it sit there. I will not bother you about the difference between a fact and the truth.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Peterwl

No, I will pass on this. I only form relationships with humans !

you can do better than that

[Peterwl]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

you can do better than that

No, that said it all !

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Peterwl

OK, we will let it sit there. I will not bother you about the difference between a fact and the truth.

you give up way tooo easy

go

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Peterwl

No, that said it all !

srs !?

[fordomatic]

I love you PB

[olfella]

Whats going on here? Fords on fire nekminit man hugs?

[fordomatic]

Peterwl is scared of love, needs the fire back in his heart instead of the Fords.

[au350hp]

Originally Posted by Peterwl

I am surprised you are allowed out on your own to go to a retail shop !

How does a mind like yours move that body.

I must inform you that tin foil hats are only for conspiracy speculation.

The foil hats on my clothes line stop the government from listening in through the TV and the power points.

[au350hp]

Originally Posted by Peterwl

I have just done a little research on this matter and based on published ignition temperatures of Petrol and its vapors and the temperature of exhaust manifolds, it appears that ignition is very possible if petrol hits a hot manifold in a confined area.

Petrol as previously stated can ignite from 232 degrees C upwards.

Vapors of petrol appear to be far more dangerous. They can go off at ambient temperature.

Exhaust manifolds at operating temperature and under load can get to 530 to 640 degrees C.

The air / petrol vapor ratio has to be within 1.4 % to 7.6 % for this to happen.

This excellent link gives us all the info on petrol and its vapors explained for all to understand.

https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003...istopher.shtml

There are some excellent scientific papers around the net on this subject. Reading them can be a bit tedious, but to summarize, there are a lot of variables to such an ignition event. Even Octane rating, temperature of the petrol, the size, shape, and material of the hot surface can alter when it happens.

I owned a 2.0 Escort that had twin Weber carbs. One day after re jetting the carbs to suit a new cam. I was driving it, pulling over, adjusting, starting up etc, so the motor was hot. I must have left something loose because I turned it over and the engine bay turned into a fire pit! I dont know what started it, but I just about sh&t myself. luckily, a denim jacket was enough to smother it without damage to the car or lines. Valuable lesson learnt. Get the mods sorted in the garage rather than on the side of the road!

[Sar4890]

I had a te 4 cylinder that did the same thing fueline came adrift spewed fuel onto the coil and up she went briefly until i put it out my brother in laws xe did a similar thing his was more dramatic goes to show ford spontaneously combusting is not a new phenomena.