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04-08-2011, 11:27 PM | #91 | |||
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Monocoque construction in cars has been around since the 1920s and certainly from the 1940s for cars in Australia like the Morris Minor and Holden. By the 1960s the Falcon (US origin) must have been, although with Ford's "agricultural" reputation anything's possible! The original Australian Falcon had ball joint problems though, so Ford's learning curve on that extends nearly 50 years through to the Territory!
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05-08-2011, 09:09 AM | #95 | ||
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Great Wall outsold Volvo ... does that help us figure out at what price we consider $ more important than safety ?
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05-08-2011, 08:51 PM | #97 | |||
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The more correct term is unitary construction, the frame is still there like a body on frame but made lighter and integrally with body panels. |
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05-08-2011, 10:18 PM | #98 | ||
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All Falcons (and Mustangs as they were related) have had Unibody.
Even the first Holden was Unibody, however the later HQ/HJ/HX/HZ/WB 1 tonner utes had a chassis.
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they have a unitary front frame and half chassis at the back. |
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05-08-2011, 11:16 PM | #100 | ||
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Any idea why Ford and Holden decided to go with unibody from the start? Wouldn't it have been seen as unusual for a car back in the late 40s? But more importantly, isn't ladder frame much cheaper to make? Why would they go for the more expensive option? Ladder frame would also make more sense for Australia's rugged road conditions, especially back in those days?
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05-08-2011, 11:39 PM | #101 | ||
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HQ-WB (LC-LJ too) had a partial front chassis, and unibody rear. The idea was to bolt new subframes/bodies as engineering changed. Then they went and threw the whole lot out for the VB Commodore, such a waste of investment...
On topic: Great month for Territory! After driving one, I can see the attraction of the new diesel. It's quieter than our inline 6 Territory as well, that was a bit of a shock! |
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06-08-2011, 08:28 AM | #102 | |||
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BOF cars don't have a ladder frame, they use a perimeter frame that supports the lower sills of the body. Unitbody was state of art in the 1950's, reduced costs made cars more affordable. Last edited by jpd80; 06-08-2011 at 08:37 AM. |
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06-08-2011, 02:38 PM | #103 | ||
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http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2011...-tsunami-26005
I havn't seen this one around.. Seems Fiesta has had supply problems becuase of the Japan Tsunami.. Not becuase of parts, but becuase of less ships!! |
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07-08-2011, 01:06 AM | #105 | ||
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Yeah I think 'unibody' is a yank term short for 'unitary body construction'
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The term originally applied to aircraft type structures which had an external structural skin but since the 1950s, Monocoque was then applied to a whole range of integral frame skin designs, it's also called structural skin, stressed skin, unit body, unibody, unitary construction, or Body Frame Integral (BFI). Guess I got hung up on one particular type instead of understanding that it's the general term for unified frame and body construction. On topic, The main critisism of early unitary construction was that it lacked strength compared to body on frame which was true but in the past 10 years, crash safety regulations have seen increased vehicle weights as integral frames are strengthened to vector crash force along multiple paths protecting occupants in a much better fashion that traditional body on frame vehicles (restricted by the attachment bolts used). Framed SUVs must now have safety crumple zones which reduces their ultimate strength. That and the need for reduced weight/increased fuel economy are driving reasons for companies switching to unitary construction. Last edited by jpd80; 07-08-2011 at 06:29 AM. |
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07-08-2011, 10:38 PM | #110 | ||
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in regards to the terri add...whats been the biggest letdown or negative for the terri in recent times...FUEL USSAGE PEOPLE. I have no doubt thats exactly what the facebook add is designed and does...delete that perception.
and as for cruze sales it has to be purely a mix of advertising and the badge loyalty. From what weve read in the last few yearsthere is no reason why youd want a holden kia..now cruze over anything ford offers cheap.mondeo, focus and fiesta. |
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07-08-2011, 11:10 PM | #111 | |||
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Not much Ford can do about the popularity of Mazda 3, Cruze and Corolla all they can do is get cracking with new Focus, problem is that sourcing from Germany is a real headache as was found out at the launch of retiring Focus model, back then, Ford had a holding yard full of mostly base models and just a few zetecs and Ghias but, guess what? everyone wanted Zetec and Ghias, they sold out and then instant 4 month waiting list but still had a full yard of base models no one wanted.... This time around, Ford should be stocking up with Trend and Titanium with just a few Ambiente otherwise history will repeat itself... |
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07-08-2011, 11:38 PM | #112 | |||
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1. The car can do 1000k's on a tank (so good fuel economy). 2. The nice thud from the tail gate closing suggests that its a solid vehicle. 3. What the car looks like. 4. Its an Aussie made vehicle. I don't see a problem with the add, it would be enough to get me to go and see what the vehicle is like. Which is the point of an advertisement IMO.
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And on par with equivalent petrol engines in Prado and Pajero etc. |
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I guess you now have to avoid buying white used I30's and Cruzes, along with the traditional Corollas...
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15-08-2011, 06:55 PM | #117 | |||
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15-08-2011, 07:20 PM | #118 | ||
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To me ^^^that^^^ speaks volumes....
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Compact SUVs mean business
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