Would legal venues stop hoons?

[Road Games]

Originally Posted by Parfrey

Anyone else feel like they've thrashed their car enough when your driving home from the drags? Or is it just me?

Gotta agree with you there ....

[my_gxl]

Originally Posted by 302 XC

Living in a rural township (outta town)
I still throw the idea around to do something along these lines
The neighbour has 100 acres doin nothin
Great location, minimal population
BUT
We would need to fund,
Toilet facilities,no council sewerage this far out
Sufficient water and supply
Again no council supplied water out here
Plenty of off street parking
Again , massive costs
The strip,pad, plus extra bitumen
Have suficient safety people on hand
Ambos, fire,ect
We only have local stanby ambos,local station miles away
Location
Im 15Ks from the closest township of a corner shop
35Ks from the next town,
1 1/2 HRs from a major town
Now the land is relatively cheapish, compared to a capital city
But the noise out here travels at night or mid afternoon
I can hear the trucks on the highway 10Ks away
Youll hear cars screaming for miles and miles away
Everyone would complain and it no doubt would be shut down
I and most others couldnt afford to set up this style of event and be forced to shut it down
So cost isnt the issue
Didnt Lakeside get shut down years ago due to whingers about the noise ???
Yet the track was already there and there for years
Double edge sword
Have the track or event outta town , people wont travel
Have it in a township area, people will complain

Lakeside did get shut, but is open again now.
It has an exhaust noise restriction, plus operating hours, however its still awesome fun to drive, and anyone can get out there, pay there money, and go their hardest.
I intend to get back there again soon-it on again sunday if people want to go out and watch.

[FTE72]

Originally Posted by SgtBourne

I Love seeing posts by Sudszy.. I imagine him wearing a wizard hat and telling his mum to be quiet as he has the internet to patrol.

Thats beautiful

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by SgtBourne

I Love seeing posts by Sudszy.. I imagine him wearing a wizard hat and telling his mum to be quiet as he has the internet to patrol.

+1

I love it how he only replies to post where he thinks he has a good answer, then ignores every other post like they don't exist.

[Kable72]

Bottom line is, most people who drive a nice car or have a loud exhaust are hoons. This isn't my definition but that is how the common populace view us.

[302 XC]

Be good to see how many whom class people as hoons
Were once a hoon or non law abiding citizen

Glass house and rose coloured glasses
Weve all lived in one or owned a pair

[davessleepin351]

Originally Posted by 302 XC

Be good to see how many whom class people as hoons
Were once a hoon or non law abiding citizen

Glass house and rose coloured glasses
Weve all lived in one or owned a pair

Here here +1

[FgNewbie]

Originally Posted by SgtBourne

I Love seeing posts by Sudszy.. I imagine him wearing a wizard hat and telling his mum to be quiet as he has the internet to patrol.

When I see the word "sudszy" I now have images of a small lad getting his mouth washed out with soap and a bib firmly attached to catch any dribble.

imho Sudszy the poster is only as _________ as other posters give Sudszy the power to be.

[DJR-351]

As far as i am concerned it won’t make a blind bit of difference, hooning is an attitude problem....

ie: if your excuse for hooning is "there is no legal venue so i am going to do it on public roads" then there is a need for an attitude adjustment....

Edit: the above is from personal experience, and the person who adjusted mine many years ago did a thorough job, cheers mate.....

[davessleepin351]

thats soo my new signature....

[Fireblade]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Oh, so these morons making smoke plumes in my street are really making life safer for all of us?
No, safe driving is not about being able to do fully sic opposite lock burn out recoveries (which not even schumacher is going to be able to pull off even half the time at random), its about not getting into situations in the first place and that is 99.9% due to attitude.

Australia has a problem with young people and cars, the answer isnt to further it by encouraging more activity that for the dimwitted, sees it carry over into public spaces. We have a mindset with people in particular demographics, (nothing else to do, lets go and and cruise, pull some burnouts etc)..that's what community leaders need to address.

So me and my close mates want to go pull a few skids, race, go fast and enjoy the car the way we intended when we built them what demographic are we from then? I can't wait to see your response.

Originally Posted by DJR-351

As far as i am concerned it won’t make a blind bit of difference, hooning is an attitude problem....

ie: if your excuse for hooning is "there is no legal venue so i am going to do it on public roads" then there is a need for an attitude adjustment....

Edit: the above is from personal experience, and the person who adjusted mine many years ago did a thorough job, cheers mate.....

I agree, problem today is you can't tell most of the new generation, I have this problem at work with discipline, all they do is complain that they are being singled out and picked on yet there was 5 or 6 at the time getting told, not all are like this and I apologize for my generalisation, I do not intend to offend. Attitude is the single biggest problem and it will only change once they are hurt severely or once someone they know is hurt or killed, you simply cannot tell them.

There are a lot more drag racers and car enthusiasts than actual Hoons, why can't these people have a venue to go to, we built footy stadiums for people to go watch the footy, built stadiums and the like to hold one off events like the olympics, why can't we have a venue.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by Kable72

Bottom line is, most people who drive a nice car or have a loud exhaust are hoons. This isn't my definition but that is how the common populace view us.

Very true!

The problem is that "nice cars" are hardly ever shown being towed away...probably 98% of cars impounded, at least the ones we see on the news and in the papers, are, as I said in a previous post, rusty crapbuckets like old Camrys, battered utes with cheap mags, and tatty VN's.

When was the last time you saw a mega-bucks Skyline, WRX, Silvia, Commodore, or Falcon getting loaded onto a truck or sitting in an impound yard? Not very damn often I would bet.

Unfortunately the public propoganda that is out there now makes people think that anyone who cares a little about thier car is a "hoon".

[xisled]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Very true!

The problem is that "nice cars" are hardly ever shown being towed away...probably 98% of cars impounded, at least the ones we see on the news and in the papers, are, as I said in a previous post, rusty crapbuckets like old Camrys, battered utes with cheap mags, and tatty VN's.

When was the last time you saw a mega-bucks Skyline, WRX, Silvia, Commodore, or Falcon getting loaded onto a truck or sitting in an impound yard? Not very damn often I would bet.

Unfortunately the public propoganda that is out there now makes people think that anyone who cares a little about thier car is a "hoon".

That is true. Most cars shown to the public are buckets, like VN commos and stuff like that, but I know that they do impound heaps of nice cars. I used to work near the Preston impound yard in Melbourne. I seen a XR GT unsure if it was real or a replica on a back of a tray truck being towed in one morning. I also seen heaps of new ss utes/sedans and heaps of ba/bf xr6 being towed. in.

IMO more new cars get impounded than buckets.

[302 XC]

"IMO more new cars get impounded than buckets"
This could well be true
Didnt we all drive the parents car before we could afford our bucket ???

[Kable72]

I would like to know everyones definition of Hoon Drivers.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by F6 FOON

Must be blind, how about you point it out for me.

workshop, ozecruiserstechnical....

Originally Posted by F6 FOON

With what you have previously admitted to your arguments are akin to a reformed criminal becoming a cop, hypocritical at best.

???? the thread is about whether we should have the rest of the public pay and make substantial sacrifices for those that dont want to be responsible for the cost or impact of their thrills.

[xisled]

Originally Posted by sudszy

workshop, ozecruiserstechnical....



???? the thread is about whether we should have the rest of the public pay and make substantial sacrifices for those that dont want to be responsible for the cost or impact of their thrills.

Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!

The point of thread is if hoon's had places to go, to do burnouts and such that was local and cheap,would it reduce the amount of hoon's doing things such as burnouts and drag races on public road's?

[302 XC]

Originally Posted by sudszy

workshop, ozecruiserstechnical....



???? the thread is about whether we should have the rest of the public pay and make substantial sacrifices for those that dont want to be responsible for the cost or impact of their thrills.

So NOT helping directly or indirectly to perhaps curb a major issue
Thats wrong ???
BUT
Spending what 120K per person a year for illegal immigrants
Thats fine ???
Spending gazzillions a year on overseas homeless or less fortunate, when we here in Australia have the same problems ???
Thats fine to ???
Getting the local council to sting me 1500 a year for rates and i have no services, not even curb and chanel out the front
So the unmanaged council can buy new cars when they feel like it
But thats cool ???

The government make more revenue from illegal things on the road, wether that be , burnouts, speeding, fines for illegal mods
Could you tell me where all this money is spent ???
Cant see the road toll decreasing, yet fines nearly rise daily
The general public perhaps wouldnt have to shell out for such events
Im sure spending a % of all the revenue wouldnt kill em

[B-RAD]

I think it does, i know a few years ago a hundred or so people gathering at an industrial park for some drifting. Now mallala has drift practice days and the same people are there. Not much action at the industrial park anymore. Also mallala has come and drive track days where you can let loose every month, i know i have done nothing silly on the roads since i began going, i prefer ripple strips and sand traps than kerbs and sign posts. Theres just no excitement comparable to the wide open track. I know for me the illegality of doing such a thing on the road is not more exciting, if anything its less enjoyable because of the fear of police & accidents with other road users.

[Omegaaus]

Originally Posted by B-RAD

I think it does, i know a few years ago a hundred or so people gathering at an industrial park for some drifting. Now mallala has drift practice days and the same people are there. Not much action at the industrial park anymore. Also mallala has come and drive track days where you can let loose every month, i know i have done nothing silly on the roads since i began going, i prefer ripple strips and sand traps than kerbs and sign posts. Theres just no excitement comparable to the wide open track. I know for me the illegality of doing such a thing on the road is not more exciting, if anything its less enjoyable because of the fear of police & accidents with other road users.

Completely agree, i ride a sports bike and racing on the road does not interest me anymore,it only took me 20 years to learn this though :-). As for the answer to the original post. No i don't think so.

[Matty4]

Originally Posted by sudszy

workshop, ozecruiserstechnical....

Yeah and all you contributed to that thread is that they were all wasting their time and money, nothing positive at all!!

Instead of being a keyboard warrior who appears to like picking fights, how about you man-up, post up who you are, edit your profile to include your location, (city is fine, I promise I won't pay you a visit ) what your real experiences are with cars, any automotive background (driver training, occupational experiences, racing etc etc.) and offer some constructive reasoning behind your stance.
So far all I've seen is that you have a serious problem with a small minority "hoon" element in your street/neighbourhood

Originally Posted by sudszy

Oh, so these morons making smoke plumes in my street are really making life safer for all of us?

but have not offered any solutions as to how you intend to fix your problem, other than to berate the general automotive community as a whole with your stereotypical generalisations. It's getting old.....

[Fireblade]

Originally Posted by sudszy

workshop, ozecruiserstechnical....



???? the thread is about whether we should have the rest of the public pay and make substantial sacrifices for those that dont want to be responsible for the cost or impact of their thrills.

Wow, and big contributions made there. No comments on members cars or even what a Ford looks like, just one post on the Hippie gas model.

I foot the bill through my taxes for lots of other minorities hobbies and guess what I'm not complaining, I'm not into arts, I'm not into wines, I'm not into the symphony orchestra, but they all got facilities paid by the government here, why can't I expect a little help from them with this? What substantial sacrifice are we asking for from you or anyone else?

[SpoolMan]

The type of car being impounded would have to do with age.

Most common cars impounded from the hoon laws in Australia.
Top 3.
46% Of Australia’s Impounded Cars Are Holdens.
16.7% Ford is the second while
7.8% Nissan is third

[flappist]

Originally Posted by F6 FOON

Wow, and big contributions made there. No comments on members cars or even what a Ford looks like, just one post on the Hippie gas model.

I foot the bill through my taxes for lots of other minorities hobbies and guess what I'm not complaining, I'm not into arts, I'm not into wines, I'm not into the symphony orchestra, but they all got facilities paid by the government here, why can't I expect a little help from them with this? What substantial sacrifice are we asking for from you or anyone else?

Actually I had an interesting conversation with our then local state member about provision of land to build a motor vehicle complex some years ago.
He was quite against it stating that it is not the purpose of state government to provide infrastructure for hobbyists and further challenged me to find an example of where this had happened.
Being from a fishing area I immediately pointed out boat ramps after which he went very red and had his minders take over the conversation.

There is very little interest in Government to support any project that is not within agenda.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by SpoolMan

The type of car being impounded would have to do with age.

Most common cars impounded from the hoon laws in Australia.
Top 3.
46% Of Australia’s Impounded Cars Are Holdens.
16.7% Ford is the second while
7.8% Nissan is third

So what you are saying is that it is much harder to catch a hoon in a Nissan or Ford than in a holden........yeh I can understand that

[Fireblade]

Originally Posted by flappist

Actually I had an interesting conversation with our then local state member about provision of land to build a motor vehicle complex some years ago.
He was quite against it stating that it is not the purpose of state government to provide infrastructure for hobbyists and further challenged me to find an example of where this had happened.
Being from a fishing area I immediately pointed out boat ramps after which he went very red and had his minders take over the conversation.

There is very little interest in Government to support any project that is not within agenda.

Therein lies the problem, agendas.....

The issue of Hoons allows the governments, state or federal, mainly state though to push their revenue raising agendas through cameras and the like, defects being the new one here in SA, instead of helping the situation they just want to snuff out the car culture altogether. They won't do anything to help get people off the streets because it then effects their bottom line every year through these revenues, they pretty much rely on people doing the wrong thing to fill these coffers.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by Matty4

So far all I've seen is that you have a serious problem with a small minority "hoon" element in your street/neighbourhood
but have not offered any solutions as to how you intend to fix your problem, other than to berate the general automotive community as a whole with your stereotypical generalisations......

I have to fix the problem? rather than paying money to not have these morons cause mayhem(commonly known as extortion)have made some suggestions as to which direction we should take;

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...5&postcount=19

oh but the bleeding hearts here ....?

We also have a problem that many young people are being raised in this country without seriously being introduced to any worthwhile pastimes or physical activity with which to keep them healthy etc. They have video games and once they turn 18 they have hooning, its a problem in many countries like the US, but not most of europe, perhaps we can look abroad for ideas.

[Fireblade]

Oh but Sudzy, you want people to have their car crushed, arrested and then locked up, which all in all is a pretty harsh penalty for no harm to anybody but a bit of noise, but then your neighbour who just happens to not like you assaults you one day in your front yard and walks away with a slap on the wrist and a good behavior term, would you be happy about this, these are very real penalties that don't fit the crime. I'm all for the before penalties to be used for hoons that actually cause destruction, like crashing into a house, or cause harm to innocent people, but the penalties for other crimes need to be raised to suit also, but that won't happen because our jail system would overflow in a major way.

Plenty of kids doing healthier pastimes, at our local amatuer league footy club we have an abundance of kids playing Football, enough to field 2 teams in most age groups.

So getting into cars is a bad pastime is it? again what are you on here for if your not an enthusiast? Hoons are a minority and are way over represented in the media.

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by SpoolMan

The type of car being impounded would have to do with age.

Most common cars impounded from the hoon laws in Australia.
Top 3.
46% Of Australia’s Impounded Cars Are Holdens.
16.7% Ford is the second while
7.8% Nissan is third

that confirms my own observations . there normally seem to be more bogan style stupid drivers in dunnydores. I'm not saying drivers of other makes ( including Fords) are completly inocent but most of the stupidest road behaviour I have seen has been dunnydore driving bogans ( I am not saying if you drive a holden you are a bogan just that they seem to attrack this kind of idiot)

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by F6 FOON

Oh but Sudzy, you want people to have their car crushed, arrested and then locked up, which all in all is a pretty harsh penalty for no harm to anybody but a bit of noise, .

That's the problem, some of you just see it as noise, and are oblivious to the damage and what ifs.

Never mind the small child that gets pinned in the head with a small or large stone that gets spat out from under the wheels, never mind the person that gets hit with a piece of tread that decides to give way, never mind the person that gets run over when they lose control of their donut, never mind the road full of black burnout marks, never mind that the road surface suffers in the process, never mind the highly toxic plume of carcinogens that presents itself in burning rubber, never mind that people dont feel safe in their own homes and dont feel safe even to be on the footpath with these cretons around....oh and there is the noise