Covid 19 -

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by ford71V8

I'm thinking they are all well aware but too scared to be the guy that paints it black and white for everyone to see....covid will spread, your vax wont stop that or many people dying.
Nobody wants to say that, there's not a thick enough flamesuit

Yep, you could basically call it Noah's ark 2.0, only rather than just 2 of everything surviving it will be natures way of genetic cleansing where the sick and elderly die and the healthy survive...for now.
You can get vaxed and Covid might not kill you tomorrow but at some stage in life many people will get Cancer, develop diabetes, heart disease or any number of other morbidities and when covid catches up with you under those conditions you're cooked.

I feel sorry for all those people who worked their guts out all their lives to have a comfortable retirement, something tells me it wont be a lengthy one for many.

[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Yep, you could basically call it Noah's ark 2.0, only rather than just 2 of everything surviving it will be natures way of genetic cleansing where the sick and elderly die and the healthy survive...for now.
You can get vaxed and Covid might not kill you tomorrow but at some stage in life many people will get Cancer, develop diabetes, heart disease or any number of other morbidities and when covid catches up with you under those conditions you're cooked.

I feel sorry for all those people who worked their guts out all their lives to have a comfortable retirement, something tells me it wont be a lengthy one for many.

There's also all of the under 12 children who couldn't get the vaccine too...

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I feel sorry for all those people who worked their guts out all their lives to have a comfortable retirement, something tells me it wont be a lengthy one for many.

Don't feel sorry, feel angry, very angry, everytime i see ScoMo and his little band of brown nosing opine like underlings on TV, bullsh.ting their way through interviews, I am transported back in time to the TV show "Lost in Space" and they are lost in their own headspaces, but in reality I wouldn't know what to do in that position, except say " I failed in my duty to the people of Australia " and resign!


Cheers a Billy

[Metdevil]

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....27.21262356v1

"Population-based hospitalization rates show that unvaccinated adults aged ≥18 years are 17 times more likely to be hospitalized compared with vaccinated adults. Rates are far higher in unvaccinated persons in all adult age groups, including during a period when the Delta variant was the predominant strain of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Vaccines continue to play a critical role in preventing serious COVID-19 illness and remain highly effective in preventing COVID-19 hospitalizations."

[Ben73]

What's this I hear about Northern Sydney being the first out of lockdown in NSW?

Current cases in northern Sydney = 484
Current cases in Southern NSW, Illawarra Shoalhaven, Central Coast, Hunter NE, Mid North Coast and Northern NSW combined = 442

Sound about right for the Democratic People's Republic of Afgladistan

[T3rminator]

Just noticed that Brazil, once struggling, seems to be getting their response under control. They are at 65% first dose and 31% second dose. The testing data seems a bit weird though, but it doesn't suggest that the drop in cases has been due to drop in testing.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Ben73

What's this I hear about Northern Sydney being the first out of lockdown in NSW?

Current cases in northern Sydney = 484
Current cases in Southern NSW, Illawarra Shoalhaven, Central Coast, Hunter NE, Mid North Coast and Northern NSW combined = 442

Sound about right for the Democratic People's Republic of Afgladistan

How many LGA's are in your northern syd count ? doesn't look right from my viewing.
I see 270 infections, not that I care whichever area they start with tbh.
No matter where someone will say otherwise.
IMO the regional areas/central coast etcetc should be first and foremost opened when ready, obviously Sydney CBD needs to open somewhere to get the ball rolling.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by FTE217

How many LGA's are in your northern syd count ? doesn't look right from my viewing.
I see 270 infections, not that I care whichever area they start with tbh.
No matter where someone will say otherwise.
IMO the regional areas/central coast etcetc should be first and foremost opened when ready, obviously Sydney CBD needs to open somewhere to get the ball rolling.

I looked at Northern Sydney health district. Maybe only certain LGAs in the area are being released.
Gladys lives somewhere in Northern Sydney, so yeah no surprise there.



I reckon we will see 2000 daily cases in September and 5000 a day before December.
Hope not, but I can't see it dropping any time soon.

[T3rminator]

I understand some boomers aren't fans of google, but it can really be your friend sometimes Not sure how they are going to validate that last part though.

Victoria to trial home quarantine for residents stuck on NSW border
https://www.9news.com.au/national/vi...4-faa4fd20a047

"Those Victorians will be able to apply for a permit to return home under the new exemption category, "Victorians in the cross-border community".
Applications for permits will open on Friday and remain open for seven days, closing at 6pm on September 17.

Victorians applying for a permit will need to prove a range of factors, including that their primary residence is in Victoria, a negative COVID-19 test 48 hours before their arrival, that they have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine and proof that they have remained in low-risk areas of the border bubble.

Health Minister Martin Foley explained the evidence could include QR code check-ins or receipts.

Victorians also must declare they have maintained social distancing while in NSW."

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by Ben73

I looked at Northern Sydney health district. Maybe only certain LGAs in the area are being released.
Gladys lives somewhere in Northern Sydney, so yeah no surprise there

Does that include the Northern Beaches I wonder, where they just recently started filming Home and Away?
Or so I was led to believe, reading crappy mags in doctors offices waiting rooms.


Cheers Billy

[Trevor 57]

It was very telling that Dan Andrews called our Greg Hunt and Gladys Berejiklian yesterday for doing under the desk deals with vaccine doses yesterday - Dan has been very cool this who epidemic, been paying with a very straight bat considering the belting he has copped from Berejiklian and the Feds

And here are the Feds calling Victoria out for failing to reach vaccine targets, all the while Hunt has been slipping Berejiklian vaccines on the sly, vaccines that should have come to Victoria

Anyone but blind Freddy can see what the Feds and Berejiklian are up to - the Feds NEED NSW votes to win the next Federal election, they know that traditionally Victoria has been a Labor stronghold, so if they try to make NSW look good and Victoria look bad then the small minded bastards think that this will swing the vote in their favour

Dan called them out to show what a bunch of pricks they are, not that anyone one was doubting it before

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

It was very telling that Dan Andrews called our Greg Hunt and Gladys Berejiklian yesterday for doing under the desk deals with vaccine doses yesterday - Dan has been very cool this who epidemic, been paying with a very straight bat considering the belting he has copped from Berejiklian and the Feds

And here are the Feds calling Victoria out for failing to reach vaccine targets, all the while Hunt has been slipping Berejiklian vaccines on the sly, vaccines that should have come to Victoria

Anyone but blind Freddy can see what the Feds and Berejiklian are up to - the Feds NEED NSW votes to win the next Federal election, they know that traditionally Victoria has been a Labor stronghold, so if they try to make NSW look good and Victoria look bad then the small minded bastards think that this will swing the vote in their favour
Dan called them out to show what a bunch of pricks they are, not that anyone one was doubting it before

Trevor everyone knows all politicians are going to bag each other playing political games! nothing new here so why do you keep on whinging about it. Dan is no better than the other Premiers along with Scomo.

PS: Sick to death of hearing your political diatribe in this topic.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Itsme

Trevor everyone knows all politicians are going to bag each other playing political games! nothing new here so why do you keep on whinging about it. Dan is no better than the other Premiers along with Scomo.

PS: Sick to death of hearing your political diatribe in this topic.

thank you

Here's a deal, I will stop when the Libs stop - sound fair?

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT September 7th 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

1,499 new cases for Australia and 8 deaths so the CMR is 1.627%.

21 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.708%.

The UK had a lower 37,179 cases yesterday and higher 209 deaths for a CMR of 1.892%.

A higher 264,637 new cases in the USA yesterday and higher 1,848 deaths (some of both carried over from the weekend) sees CMR at 1.626%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 222M, the last 1M in 3 days;
Africa moves below the 90th percentile for the 10 day period;
The UK moves above Russia to have the highest case numbers in Europe;

DRC (570);
Mongolia (3,963); and
Sri Lanka (5,914);

... recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Serbia moves above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while no countries drop below.

[russellw]

NSW records 1,480 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases slightly to 1.0250 (from 1.0218) while the actual line falls heads back toward the predictive trend line.



VIC records 221 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.1173 (from 1.1727) while the actual line is now below the predictive trend line.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Restrictions in regional Vic (apart from Shepparton, sorry Trev!) will ease as of tomorrow night.

Full list of restrictions is available here.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Restrictions in regional Vic (apart from Shepparton, sorry Trev!) will ease as of tomorrow night.

Full list of restrictions is available here.

I can only hope that regional NSW gets a similar treatment but I am not holding my breath. Ill be hitting up airbnb quick smart if we do.

[Trevor 57]

Not happy, we had no cases Sunday, no cases yesterday, no cases today, what are they waiting for? Tell what the hold up is so we know

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Not happy, we had no cases Sunday, no cases yesterday, no cases today, what are they waiting for? Tell what the hold up is so we know

For all the people who are possibly still quarantining in Shepparton; you should know the Health Department won't clear your area until they are absolutely certain they have contained the virus.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Itsme

For all the people who are possibly still quarantining in Shepparton; you should know the Health Department won't clear your area until they are absolutely certain they have contained the virus.

all the initial Day 13 people have been tested, I guess it is to wait until they are confident that they have accounted for all the cases

I gotta tell ya, I am pretty happy with Shepp people, they have really rallied to get it out of town as quickly as possible

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Polyal

I was under the impression that the more people that get vaccinated would result in a lower chance of transmission and also a lower of the viruses "strength" as if it is passed from someone who is vaccinated then their reaction will be lessened and hence the transmission from them would be reduced and then the cycle continues from there.

Viral loads of vaxxed people is roughly the same as un-vaxxed. This vaccine is not very effective at all. Now the Mu variant is coming on song, and it doesn't look like it does much against it, so it's even worse. Every state in the US has had cases of the Mu variant except one. Just a matter of time before it gets here, cause our hotel quarantine leaks like a sieve.

And now the UK is considering a "firebreak" lockdown because their case numbers are getting too high.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...vid-cases-rise

Surely soon they just have to bite the bullet and just let it go, and it's survival of the fittest/natural selection? Can't keep locking down forever.

This will never end unless they can create a cure, not just a rubbish "vaccine" that just decreases your chances of getting sick, and becomes less and less effective with every new variant.

[T3rminator]

Just looking at Covidlive's forecast on days to achieve 70% and 80% 2nd dose, VIC, QLD, WA, SA and NT looks like they will achieve that target within 10 days of each other - 80% = Vic 80, QLD 89, WA 90, SA 84, NT 81.

ACT, NSW and TAS will achieve it about a month in advance. Will be interesting to see if those 3 form a travel bubble during that month.

Regarding the longer term view, I'm not that stressed on what is to come. The virus and disease has hit poor and rich nations alike, so you can be sure all resources will be thrown in to find an effective treatment, and vaccines will get better and better. Its an interesting comparison with SARS. Both have similar R0, SARS is much much deadlier, yet its been able to be brought under control.

[GO FURTHER]

You know when you think about it, one of the main contributing factors (apart from supply issues), in the update of the Covid vaccinations... Has been "branding".

Almost like weighing up whether to get a Ford, Holden or other brand.

Think about all the other vaccinations you may have had in your life.
Polio, Tetanus, the Flu, Measles, whooping Cough, Mumps, Hepatitis, Rubella, and Chickenpox, to name a few.

Did anyone ever go to their doctor and say, "Excuse me, but before I agree to the jab... What brand vaccine are you giving me?"

Would it have made any difference to our decision?

Did we ever take "side-effects" into as serious a consideration as some do with the Covid-19 vaccines?

And yes, there are multiple brands of vaccines for other diseases and viruses, and all can have side effects.

I guess the race to quickly develop a Covid-19 vaccine and the regular bombardment of updates and news on the major Vaccine players in the media made it impossible to ignore "branding" in this pandemic.

In some ways though, in hindsight, it would have been better if Governments, doctors and vaccination providers did not reveal what brand you were getting.
Just providing the vaccine "brand" appropriate for your given age group and health recommendations.

Everyone knows whether they got AstraZeneca or Pfizer (and soon Moderna),
but can anyone name the brand of other non-Covid vaccinations they have had?

[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Viral loads of vaxxed people is roughly the same as un-vaxxed. This vaccine is not very effective at all. Now the Mu variant is coming on song, and it doesn't look like it does much against it, so it's even worse. Every state in the US has had cases of the Mu variant except one. Just a matter of time before it gets here, cause our hotel quarantine leaks like a sieve.

And now the UK is considering a "firebreak" lockdown because their case numbers are getting too high.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...vid-cases-rise

Surely soon they just have to bite the bullet and just let it go, and it's survival of the fittest/natural selection? Can't keep locking down forever.

This will never end unless they can create a cure, not just a rubbish "vaccine" that just decreases your chances of getting sick, and becomes less and less effective with every new variant.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.27247

All sera efficiently neutralized the SARS-CoV-2 B.1.621 isolate (Figure 1C), demonstrating that this VOI is not a concern for vaccine efficacy. Indeed, neutralization of SARS-CoV-2 B.1.621 was robust, even if significantly lower than that observed on SARS-CoV-2 B.1.

Our data show that despite several mutations in Spike, SARS-CoV-2 B.1.621 is neutralized by the BNT162b2 vaccine-elicited antibodies. Moreover, they highlight the importance of properly quarantining people after travel abroad to avoid spreading newly emerging SARS-CoV-2 lineages to different countries.

TL;DR - Stop spreading misinformation and get the damn vaccine...

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Not happy, we had no cases Sunday, no cases yesterday, no cases today, what are they waiting for? Tell what the hold up is so we know

Doesn't answer your question in detail, Trev, but consider it to be a 'mopping up' exercise.

Shepparton restrictions may ease next week
On Shepparton, we would hope to have Shepparton catch up to the rest of regional Victoria sometime next week and we'll make those announcements as soon as we have tidied up the last bits of the outbreak there.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Not happy, we had no cases Sunday, no cases yesterday, no cases today, what are they waiting for? Tell what the hold up is so we know

Your not the only one Trev. Our local district (The MLHD) goes from the ACT to Hillston and out to West Wyalong.

In the last 18 months we've had only ever had one case in this zone, and that was when someone visited Lake Cargelligo from the Parkes area, yet we're still in lockdown.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Your not the only one Trev. Our local district (The MLHD) goes from the ACT to Hillston and out to West Wyalong.

In the last 18 months we've had only ever had one case in this zone, and that was when someone visited Lake Cargelligo from the Parkes area, yet we're still in lockdown.

Its a bit **** when you are not directly impacted. I can kinda understand ours, but yours must be ****

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Its a bit **** when you are not directly impacted. I can kinda understand ours, but yours must be ****

Meh, typical Politicians, anything past the Blue Mountains is lumped in the rural basket

Originally Posted by roKWiz

All those city folk and ACTuns heading to Coota would be the problem.

Nah, they all head for the coast, nobody (in their right mind) wants to go to Coota

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Nah, they all head for the coast, nobody (in their right mind) wants to go to Coota

Want a bet.....they ran out of beachside places in Ulladulla and Batemans Bay years back.
Lots of ACT plates any weekend in Coota.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Your not the only one Trev. Our local district (The MLHD) goes from the ACT to Hillston and out to West Wyalong.

In the last 18 months we've had only ever had one case in this zone, and that was when someone visited Lake Cargelligo from the Parkes area, yet we're still in lockdown.

All those city folk and ACTuns heading to Coota would be the problem.