2018 Ranger Raptor

[articulatedsphinx]

Originally Posted by Hemihunter

I dont think you will tow much with this version. maybe a small box trailer.

I want to use it for a bike rack.

Yeah the guards are huge and the body work is also bigger so it's not just window dressing. This means that any aftermarket stuff or smash repairs will undoubtedly be at a premium.

If you're interested in a more thorough walk around here's a good video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUz65Qg7CMg

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by articulatedsphinx

As for looking at these Thai videos 2 things stand out to me:

1) Thai models seem to exclude heated seats.
2) Thai models also don't have tow receiver, and seem to only have tow hooks. I've added screenshots to show.

I really really hope that the Australian version comes with a receiver and the delete is only Thai specific. [/URL][/url]
dream poems

#1 Given Thailand's geographic position in the world I doubt that heated seats would ever be used there, so why waste money.

#2 It's my day to be dense. What is a 'Tow receiver'?

[chrisandsharon]

Tow receiver = tow bar

[78xcgxl]

Car Advice review for those who haven't seen it yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h50GjQtCyI8

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

Tow receiver = tow bar

Thank you, never heard it called that before.... but I've led a sheltered life

Plus I would think it would be a dealer fitting anyway, not factory, depending on the customer.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by 78xcgxl

Car Advice review for those who haven't seen it yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h50GjQtCyI8

At the 7:00 mark "Just doesn't feel punchy enough".

What? You mean 2 litres is undersized and not enough? No....

[78xcgxl]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

At the 7:00 mark "Just doesn't feel punchy enough".

What? You mean 2 litres is undersized and not enough? No....

Hopefully the next Ranger update they install a 3.0L V6 Power Stroke Diesel. 186kw and 596nm should getting it moving more respectable. A petrol option would be nice as well.

[prydey]

https://www.news.com.au/technology/i...5bfe3bfb18a3da

just read this article and a couple of things stood out to me (possibly already debated within this thread).

power - if you are buying this ute for on road performance, then you probably don't understand it. This car isn't about 0-100 times.

tow capacity - anyone who thinks 2500 makes it inferior doesn't really understand physics, or how impractical the 3500 tow ratings are.

I think Ford understand that no one is going to buy the Raptor as a dedicated tow vehicle, but they have given it enough capacity to tow most camper trailers (the ones that can go pretty much anywhere the car can go, not the pretend raised up caravans). Of course it still has the same issue of payload, but having 1T less at the rear means you can still have a couple of people and luggage if you pack sensibly. The ute is also heavy, which actually makes it a much better tow car, as its less likely to be influenced by what it is towing.

3500kg tow ratings are a joke, and its worse when journo's start listing it as a negative based solely on the size of the number (bigger is better right). no ute can practically tow 3.5T. for starters, it means you can only have a maximum of 10% ball weight on the trailer (also true whenever you tow your max allowed weight), which apart from being hard to do, is right at the minimum you would want on a 3.5T trailer. They also take up most of the vehicles payload (along with fuel and driver), so if there is more than one of you, its bordering on illegal as far as GVM goes.

so, the journo's that write these articles, and pick on things they don't understand, really are just storytellers looking for a headline, which is all most 'journalism' is these days.

[Hemihunter]

they do mention - the payload is 758kg versus about 1000kg for most rivals

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Hemihunter

they do mention - the payload is 758kg versus about 1000kg for most rivals

correct, but its built for a different purpose.

[articulatedsphinx]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Thank you, never heard it called that before.... but I've led a sheltered life

Plus I would think it would be a dealer fitting anyway, not factory, depending on the customer.

It’s listed as a standard item on the ford raptor brochure.

https://www.ford.com.au/content/dam/...aptor_eBro.pdf

[GTLEGEND]

I think the best way to compare this is to a FPV Pursuit Ute V Ford 1 tonne XL ute, both have different purposes. Don't buy the FPV if you want to carry big loads and tow, its a two door performance vehicle.

Two totally different vehicles for different purposes.

Same Raptor Vs Normal Ranger

[Hemihunter]

Originally Posted by GTLEGEND

I think the best way to compare this is to a FPV Pursuit Ute V Ford 1 tonne XL ute, both have different purposes. Don't buy the FPV if you want to carry big loads and tow, its a two door performance vehicle.

Two totally different vehicles for different purposes.

Same Raptor Vs Normal Ranger

Except in this case , FPV was alot quicker than the XL

Quote "despite its sporty appearance the Raptor lacks grunt.

We’re not criticising the twin turbo 2.0-litre four-cylinder diesel because it’s not a V8. It’s slow compared to its peers, despite the 10-speed auto.

With an official 0 to 100km/h claim of 10.5 seconds it’s only half a second quicker than a Ranger WildTrak, about one second slower than a Holden Colorado and more than 2.5 seconds slower than a VW Amarok TDV6. This may not sound like much but it’s daylight in performance terms."

[articulatedsphinx]

Yeah that’s all well and good. I’m not in denial about its speed, it’s a Ute. If I wanted a hardcore 0-100 machine I will drive my M4. I’m gonna drive the **** out of the raptor off road. And for that I can guarantee you it will be amazing based on what I’ve seen so far, but I’ll be the first person to tell you I’m wrong if it turns out that way.

As others have said there is always something to complain about. No one complains that the wrangler rubicon doesn’t have a V8.

[Bossxr8]

Don't recall seeing any traffic lights to race from on a dirt track.

[articulatedsphinx]

I really like that YouTube review. Man that offroadiness looks so great

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Don't recall seeing any traffic lights to race from on a dirt track.

The irony of it all though, is that most of the Raptors purchased will be by well heeled tradies, and will never see the dirt track or the desert roads.

... Or end up as we say in Melbourne... Toorak Tractors.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by articulatedsphinx

As others have said there is always something to complain about. No one complains that the wrangler rubicon doesn’t have a V8.

Does anyone even care what Jeep do?

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Hemihunter

they do mention - the payload is 758kg versus about 1000kg for most rivals

Rivals ?

What rivals ?

[articulatedsphinx]

I think this review summary really speaks volumes to me and confirms my decision to order one:

“Practical Motoring says: The Raptor is an incredible piece of engineering for which every offroad enthusiast should thank Ford, regardless of whether they buy one. If you can live with the lack of power and load lugging then it should be your first ute choice as its handling and offroad capabilities are first-class, and it comes with all the great design features than made the Ranger a market leading-ute for the last five years, but for many people will need a greater breadth of capability than the more narrowly focused Raptor can offer.”

I’m still excited! If they come out with a bigger engine, I’ll buy that one then!

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Hemihunter

Except in this case , FPV was alot quicker than the XL

Quote "despite its sporty appearance the Raptor lacks grunt.

We’re not criticising the twin turbo 2.0-litre four-cylinder diesel because it’s not a V8. It’s slow compared to its peers, despite the 10-speed auto.

With an official 0 to 100km/h claim of 10.5 seconds it’s only half a second quicker than a Ranger WildTrak, about one second slower than a Holden Colorado and more than 2.5 seconds slower than a VW Amarok TDV6. This may not sound like much but it’s daylight in performance terms."

So whatever brand you buy it'll be slow....wow!

[chrisandsharon]

Originally Posted by Hemihunter

Except in this case , FPV was alot quicker than the XL

Quote "despite its sporty appearance the Raptor lacks grunt.

We’re not criticising the twin turbo 2.0-litre four-cylinder diesel because it’s not a V8. It’s slow compared to its peers, despite the 10-speed auto.

With an official 0 to 100km/h claim of 10.5 seconds it’s only half a second quicker than a Ranger WildTrak, about one second slower than a Holden Colorado and more than 2.5 seconds slower than a VW Amarok TDV6. This may not sound like much but it’s daylight in performance terms."

Hemihunter - have you ever been around Oz, down the CSR, to Cape York, Central Oz, Tasmania, travelled on hours of pot holed bush tracks, travelled on dirt roads just before graders came through, spent days/weeks travelling dune country, navigated bull dust tracks, travelled the Kimberley’s, the Pilbara........the list is endless. If you have you’d know that the 0-100 times you are hooked up on mean sweet F’all out there - who cares. The vehicles you mention would not even compare to the Raptor in the above examples, you wouldn’t even bother comparing. On the CSR the Raptors occupants would have had dinner, dessert, beers and would be asleep by the time an Amarok drove into camp.......that’s if it made it without getting bogged every dune with its shyte house clearance and 31” tyres - performance isn’t all about 0-100 times, especially when we’re talking about a 4wd dual cab ute. The blokes that are buying one get that.

As for the FPV being faster, it’s on road oriented.

I look at the Raptor as something only FORD had the balls to do. All the Colorado’s, DMAXs, Amaroks etc are boring as bat shyte. Like the Amaroks 0-100 time is mind bending anyway....some of us have fast 2wd cars to blow the cobwebs out on the black top, and some will soon have the Raptor to blow out the cobwebs off-road.

[383hq]

And another road review

https://www.whichcar.com.au/reviews/...-raptor-review

[boss351290]

The ranger raptor is a bit like a falcon xe esp with a 4.1 engine. Wtf.

[articulatedsphinx]

Best news of the day... No AdBlue!!!



I also love in the review they took a photo of the dump pipe style exhaust. No fancy tips no BS just an exhaust.

[chrisandsharon]

Originally Posted by boss351290

The ranger raptor is a bit like a falcon xe esp with a 4.1 engine. Wtf.

Meh - forget the 4.1. The 2 litre in the Raptor made more power and torque than the 5.8L V8 in the XE. Only thing goin for the XE was it’s weight.

You probably don’t realise but the Raptor is like the XE. The XE sedan was the first Falcon to ditch the rear leaf suspension and run a watts link coil rear........just like the Raptor in the dual cab world.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

At the 7:00 mark "Just doesn't feel punchy enough".

What? You mean 2 litres is undersized and not enough? No....

But people on this forum said it was going to be awesome with the 10 speed.
I guess they will still love it in Asia and Africa and where ever these 4 cylinder lovers are that Ford loves talking about.

Originally Posted by prydey

https://www.news.com.au/technology/i...5bfe3bfb18a3da

just read this article and a couple of things stood out to me (possibly already debated within this thread).

power - if you are buying this ute for on road performance, then you probably don't understand it. This car isn't about 0-100 times.

tow capacity - anyone who thinks 2500 makes it inferior doesn't really understand physics, or how impractical the 3500 tow ratings are.

I agree with the tow rating. 2500kgs is enough for this ute.
Although I don't agree with the tiny engine. No one is buying it to be a 1/4 mile beast, but you would expect something this big and tough to be able to accelerate at a reasonable rate when you want it to. I'm going to guess many average commuter cars on the road will out accelerate this 2L. Even though those cars are not made for 0-100 times either.
I know we haven't heard official stats yet, but if it can't do 0-100 in 8 seconds it's slow.
If Paul Marric says it's runs out of puff while overtaking then it probably does. He is usually an apologist for this sort of stuff.

Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

Meh - forget the 4.1. The 2 litre in the Raptor made more power and torque than the 5.8L V8 in the XE. Only thing goin for the XE was it’s weight.

You probably don’t realise but the Raptor is like the XE. The XE sedan was the first Falcon to ditch the rear leaf suspension and run a watts link coil rear........just like the Raptor in the dual cab world.

I would hope a new car with twin turbo makes more power than a 34 year old NA petrol.
Hasn't the Navara and every American pick up had rear coils for years?

[simon varley]

Thailand is a country where you can't legally tow hence no tow receiver. pretty sure it will be factory for for Oz.


Europe gets add blu thanks to their stage 6 emissions requirement. fortunately for us our trucks are still at stage 5 with just a dpf.

[simon varley]

twin turbo with 10 speed has the performance of the current car at least, if not better. I drove one a few weeks ago.

[boss351290]

Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

Meh - forget the 4.1. The 2 litre in the Raptor made more power and torque than the 5.8L V8 in the XE. Only thing goin for the XE was it’s weight.

You probably don’t realise but the Raptor is like the XE. The XE sedan was the first Falcon to ditch the rear leaf suspension and run a watts link coil rear........just like the Raptor in the dual cab world.

I love the look of the raptor, it’s obviously got great suspension and that 10 speed auto is excellent. It’s the motor that lets it down. The 2.0 twin turbo is a good engine. But it should be in the base model not the top of the range. The top of the range $75000 raptor needs more ticker. It’s the only thing letting it down. If the ranger had a 2.0 or 2.3 petrol turbo I would have bought one years ago. Even the 3.0 v6 turbo diesel I would consider. It just needs more. It hasn’t even been released and the press are already bagging out the engine. That’s a very worrying sign.