2018 Ranger Raptor - Page 32

Mercury Bullet · 20-07-2018, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

The 2.0 Panther is an alloy block and head so count on around 100 kg
Difference all over the front wheels so should handle much better

Any idea on the numbers of alloy diesels that are around?

It's not something I've thought about before. Who's building them?

Bossxr8 · 20-07-2018, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

Any idea on the numbers of alloy diesels that are around?

It's not something I've thought about before. Who's building them?

Pretty much all euro diesels are all alloy now. MB, BMW, Audi etc.

Dr Smith · 20-07-2018, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Seriously, this is a run to the finish as far as GEN 1 T6
is concerned. Why would Ford expend resources and
funding on a V6 so close to the end of this product cycle
when they are already deep into the development of next
gen Ranger?

I’ve been following engine options for RWD Explorer and
PI UTE version arriving the middle of next year - 3.3 V6,
3.3 V6 Hybrid, V6 Ecoboost ....... it on the cards that we’ll
see something to wet the appetite in 2021. Until then FOA
will trade on diesel popularity

jpd80, stop making comments that are just too sensible for those running on high octane emotion to fully grasp.

articulatedsphinx · 20-07-2018, 07:18 PM

Ugh. I was really looking forward to the radar cruise control.... Maybe it's just not compatible with the suspension or intended use I don't know. But having driven some Subarus with it, I really enjoyed it for traffic.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/668069/...ty-technology/

chrisandsharon · 21-07-2018, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by articulatedsphinx

Ugh. I was really looking forward to the radar cruise control.... Maybe it's just not compatible with the suspension or intended use I don't know. But having driven some Subarus with it, I really enjoyed it for traffic.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/668069/...ty-technology/

Correct. No AEB but it does have AEL and FLS - Auto Emergency Launch over danger with the world first FLS - Fox Landing System to see you land it every time. Probably best not to switch the FLS off as we’ve seen some do when attempting some Foxy manoeuvres.

jpd80 · 21-07-2018, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

jpd80, stop making comments that are just too sensible for those running on high octane emotion to fully grasp.

I get that there are people that feel left out and Ford should be
addressing all of its potential high value customers.

Martyvan · 21-07-2018, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

The 2.0 Panther is an alloy block and head so count on around 100 kg
Difference all over the front wheels so should handle much better

Is that 100kg saving or total weight?? 100kg saving would be huge.

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jpd80 · 21-07-2018, 10:01 AM

The new all alloy diesel would be similar weight to the former 2.5 petrol engine

jpd80 · 21-07-2018, 10:57 AM

So yes roughly 100 kg lighter and all of that weight
off front wheels, a big improvement in handling.

articulatedsphinx · 21-07-2018, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

Correct. No AEB but it does have AEL and FLS - Auto Emergency Launch over danger with the world first FLS - Fox Landing System to see you land it every time. Probably best not to switch the FLS off as we’ve seen some do when attempting some Foxy manoeuvres.

Heh have a look at this idiot in his raptor:
https://youtu.be/JKQdlXvbWSU

articulatedsphinx · 21-07-2018, 03:33 PM

for those of you who were previously arguing about the specs of the tray, it is bigger and longer.

jpd80 · 21-07-2018, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by articulatedsphinx

Heh have a look at this idiot in his raptor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKQd...ature=youtu.be

People like thay try to claim warranty off Ford.
The pre-aluminium body Raptors had a deliberate weak point in the chassis behind the cab
that would break when the truck was jumped over significantly large mounds like the youtube.
Customers were grizzling that their trucks should be able to do that...

jpd80 · 21-07-2018, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by articulatedsphinx

for those of you who were previously arguing about the specs of the tray, it is bigger and longer.

image

I wonder if Raptor's longer and wider tray is a precursor to what
we can expect in the future Ranger line up..

articulatedsphinx · 21-07-2018, 04:11 PM

There is a really good article about that, where they interview the guy from ford.

https://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/21/...mage-claims-w/

Falcon SXR8 · 21-07-2018, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

People like thay try to claim warranty off Ford.
The pre-aluminium body Raptors had a deliberate weak point in the chassis behind the cab
that would break when the truck was jumped over significantly large mounds like the youtube.
Customers were grizzling that their trucks should be able to do that...

Why would ford put a deliberate weak point in a chassis?

Ok just read that article and can see what you may have been talking about

jpd80 · 21-07-2018, 08:10 PM

Yes, it's a decent explanation and well worth th read...

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Hameedi: Basically, the core – the root cause – is that the vehicle is traveling too fast for the obstacle, and the truck is running out of travel. By a large margin. They're going too fast for the obstacle by a large margin. The frame is not the first item to yield in that condition – despite what's been theorized, the first thing when you do exceed the vehicle's travel capability [is that] you have a certain safety zone where you will hit the bump stop and nothing will happen. If you hit that same obstacle at an even faster speed, then you will yield the jounce bumper cup – that's the little piece of steel that holds the jounce bumper. If you hit that same obstacle at an even greater speed, then the next thing to go is the frame.

That energy has to be absorbed somehow, and we actually went through a fairly detailed FMEA [Failure Mode and Effects Analysis], so if you do happen to far exceed the suspension's capability, the safest thing for that vehicle is for the frame to yield. If you had an infinitely stiff frame, then what that would do is, the rear of that vehicle – the suspension – when that axle is going up so hard, so fast, it would 'donkey kick' the rear of that truck really high into the air. That's a very undesirable condition."

Martyvan · 21-07-2018, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

So yes roughly 100 kg lighter and all of that weight
off front wheels, a big improvement in handling.

I do like the idea. Particularly if the new gearbox is similar weight to the existing 6speed. Would imagine this translates to Everest too.

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Bossxr8 · 23-07-2018, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by articulatedsphinx

for those of you who were previously arguing about the specs of the tray, it is bigger and longer.

image

Width of the box would also include the wider Raptor guards no?

It's an external measurement, not an internal one.

articulatedsphinx · 23-07-2018, 08:51 PM

I was moreso looking at the length.

simon varley · 23-07-2018, 09:55 PM

I'm still not convinced that's correct. 1743 is longer even than a RAP box outside length.

boss351290 · 24-07-2018, 06:42 AM

Too all you diesel hippies, if you read my posts I have stated that I HOPE that ford do a turbo petrol ranger/raptor. I never said they will. I said that it would be easy as that combination is coming in the US version. A lot easier than doing a one off for example. I HOPE they do a petrol turbo.

Years ago when ford dropped the V8 from the falcon range I hoped and hoped and hoped they would bring back a V8. Every body said they would not. They did so I bought one.

Then when everybody was buying LS1 commodores and turbo falcons I hoped and hoped and hoped that ford would make a lot more powerful V8 falcon. They did and put a supercharger on it. So I bought one.

Now all I want is a ranger/raptor with a powerful turbo petrol engine. I will hope that ford will answer my dreams again. Don’t knock me down for that. You may be right and it may never happen. All I can say is I hope your wrong.

articulatedsphinx · 24-07-2018, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by simon varley

I'm still not convinced that's correct. 1743 is longer even than a RAP box outside length.

I'm just basing this by comparing the numbers found here:

https://www.ford.com.au/future-vehic...e-cab-pick-up/

articulatedsphinx · 24-07-2018, 07:03 AM

I'll keep posting small raptor tidbits for the interested (and uninterested) as I find them.

All in thai. I don't speak thai. But still a neat watch

New video about the tailgate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GiuoZFIb4s

and a walkaround in a dealership:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc-Ne-tYUnk

articulatedsphinx · 24-07-2018, 08:24 AM

Is it just me or does ford leather always seem kind of cheap when compared to VW/BMW/any European car brands

articulatedsphinx · 24-07-2018, 10:36 AM

Double post

chrisandsharon · 24-07-2018, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by articulatedsphinx

Is it just me or does ford leather always seem kind of cheap when compared to VW/BMW/any European car brands

Might be the case Sphinx but try and get worn leather replaced under warranty with VW during the warranty period and you’ll be wasting your time - it won’t happen. Do the same with FORD and they’ll replace the worn item as they did with my F6......they sent it to a professional auto trimmer to do the job and was as good as when I bought her new.

Who cares anyway mate - do any of em’ do a ute like FORD??

Watched that F150 jump - saw that a while back and thought what an absolute idiot. Entertaining to watch but that’s someone who simply does not understand the limits of a vehicle.......absolute muppet.

jpd80 · 24-07-2018, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Martyvan

I do like the idea. Particularly if the new gearbox is similar weight to the existing 6speed. Would imagine this translates to Everest too.

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Yes, the Everest should see a similar improvement in front end weight...

BTW,
Weight of 6R80 = 215 lbs........http://www.f150hub.com/trans/6r80.html
Weight of 10R80- 235 lbs........http://www.f150hub.com/trans/10r80.h...Tsjo.wordpress

articulatedsphinx · 25-07-2018, 07:24 AM

Yeah I do agree that they need to serve more of a utilitarian purpose. Still Ford does need to up its game and there is always room to grow.

As for looking at these Thai videos 2 things stand out to me:

1) Thai models seem to exclude heated seats.
2) Thai models also don't have tow receiver, and seem to only have tow hooks. I've added screenshots to show.

I really really hope that the Australian version comes with a receiver and the delete is only Thai specific.

dream poems

Hemihunter · 25-07-2018, 07:27 AM

I dont think you will tow much with this version. maybe a small box trailer.

chrisandsharon · 25-07-2018, 07:36 AM

Geezuz the guards are pumped out. I took this off a video Sphinx put up. What a weapon. Hopefully this will be the start of an off-road war between the brands. Irrespective of thoughts on the motor, no one has come to the table with anything like this in Oz’s history. The platform built around 33’s is just eye watering.
I like the diesel and would always buy the diesel for my purpose but hopefully for the petrol heads FORD will come to the party. If they don’t I think others will come to the party but only with the motor - the platform won’t be anywhere near as good as FORDS. Even the current talk and concepts from the competition only run 31” tyres - absolute joke. Will be great to see em off road.

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