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We shouldn't read too literally everything that's being printed..... There is no such thing as peak diesel production, refineries are controlling output to keep prices up. Quote:
2. August sales of RAV4 in the USA was over 48,000, it's full sized truck and full sized SUV sales are terrible. |
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The Cerato and i30 in mid spec auto can probably be had for less? Ford need to compete at the bottom end of every segment. That's how manufacturers get traffic through the door. If the product is right it gets the ball rolling for future sales, servicing, family and friends seeing the product and also wanting to buy. Won't happen if you can't get people though the showroom door to start with.
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There's no profit in selling bargain basement cars.
And most private purchasers don't want them anyway. Even the rental companies aren't buying them, as they are harder and harder to sell at the end.
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When I bought my brand new top spec Outlander I entered the dealership looking to buy a mid spec ASX. Take the small car as an example. If you were looking at spending $25k and Hyundai, Nissan, Holden, Kia all had something starting at $22k then you would make the effort to go to the dealerships and see what you can get. If the other brands were totally out of your range you probably wouldn't bother. Especially after the Powershift debacle. You need to get people through the doors and great sales people to explain the new car and the totally different transmission now in the car.
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jpd you are most probably right, hence the 'maybe' in the diesel production point. This fellow's writing piqued my interest
https://srsroccoreport.com/has-peak-...esnt-look-good original paper https://www.scribd.com/document/3757...rere-Hall-2018 I've found it difficult to form a decisive view on the matter, many variables including demand, technology, price, interest rate policy, geopolitics, health of economy etc etc. I did note in reading that increasing amounts of other product has been needed to maintain octane levels in petrol. Made me wonder. The article suggests a peak in production in heavy oils occurred mid 2000s as it was substituted as diesel feedstock iirc, and portends 'peaks' happening from long carbon chains down to shorter carbon chains in a succession. There's no shortage of oil able to be recovered, it's more if EROEI has peaked as it is a high EROEI that permits advanced civilisation. (That's the original article author's position, he studies peaks in commodity production). Shortly after I read the above, Macron tried to ban diesel in France in towns/cities and tried to slug an extra tax on it, which would have been a great way to temper demand, and delay any peak suggested. What he got was yellow vests. But yeah it's hard to get a proper view of it from the peanut gallery.
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I must be the only one who likes the ecosport, other than the stupid name and its equipment specifications...
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I thought it would bomb in America but looks like buyers there have accepted it |
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came out with an entirely new approach to diesel emissions that could not be retrofitted as it had to do with controlling engine temperature more closely (a little colder IIRC) to reduce particulate generaton and assist the better after treatment process... I suspect that when this process is demonstrated to the EU, it will give diesel a reprieve. |
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with higher returns on revenues, so selling more at lower profit levels actually hurts the % Yeah, I know it sounds fulla Sh... but that's the way the Detroit masters think these days they would rather take less ultimate profit and gloat about achieving a higher return %. None of this helps dealers who basically live to sell and service cars, it's like corporate Ford cannot and will not see the damage selling fewer vehicles is doing to Ford globally. The system works in America where it's all about selling high profit F trucks and SUVs but, that experience has not transitioned to our market save for Ranger being a knock out. I don't know how Ford reconciles this, they're generally $3K-$4K above what our market prices but it seems that they only want to pick the eyes out of sales with mid/upper trim sales. Maybe Ford needs to go back to Mulally's slogan 'affordable quality cars'.... Last edited by jpd80; 08-09-2019 at 10:30 AM. |
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That and the fact that so much business is now done on credit and leasing with guaranteed buy back prices,
people get a great buying experience, good dealership relationship with servicing and it's back in four years time. Regardless of brand, I know plenty of people who do this, they love the vehicles and the service and would never think of shopping around, so are they sheeple of satisfied customers that just like what they like because (insert brand) looks after them. I also think this is why cross shoppers have a tougher time because, there's less connection and all about price. |
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Rumors of a twin turbo V8 for commodore or cadillac. Priced well would bring all the buyers back... Massive hole with no V8 commodore.
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The only TT V8 Cadillac car in the US is the CT6-V at around US$85K a throw.
That's AUS$120K before we speak of anything like transport and RHD version........ better chance of a four door Mustang here's the business plan ![]() Last edited by jpd80; 08-09-2019 at 06:32 PM. |
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More chance of it happening than a twin turbo falcon.
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I've bought two new Ford's in the past decade (technically three - I bought one and wrote it off 4 weeks later, insurance bought me a replacement!)
It would be great if I could go to Ford's website, choose my car, pick the option packages, pay for it via EFT/CC. Then it gives me an estimated lead time to delivery (maybe a dealership has one in stock?) with a tracking number - this number is like a freight tracking number, you can see it's estimated manufacture, when it hits the ship, where the ship is, when it hits your local Port, delivery to pre-delivery yard then delivery to my door. It's a low cost business model and customer is getting what they want without having to deal with a bunch of sales people, the extras lady, 'dealer delivery' fees etc. The whole manufacturer - wholesale distributor - reseller - customer model is outdated and a lot of other businesses are moving away from this model. You can buy everything else online so why not cars? Still have your distributor/franchisee network for traditional customer but you don't need so many of them. |
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I'm still a little hopeful that Jim Hackett's product think tank will pick up a niche like a RWD HP car and possibly make it happen with their new fangled development process where there's shorter lead time bring ideas to engineers and then allowing them to mix and match modules to get the desired vehicles without all the extra BS that used to make a NG Falcon impossible. Last edited by jpd80; 08-09-2019 at 07:48 PM. |
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Really? Corollas sell buy the thousands every month and Ford were struggling to sell a few hundred falcons in the last couple of years they were building them.
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Corporately its called Play To Win, and is the opposite of some companies who just Play To Be In The Game |
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All this talk of business plans and & profit...
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In order for your model to work, everything now done by the salesman and dealership would have to be done at a central booking office and your off ship holding yard would have to become almost like a super dealership, doing all the vehicle prep and PDI, registration and insurance documentation and delivery to your door at zero extra charge. Then you have the issue of arranging a time for delivery and checking the vehicle over and sign off at your place....what if you find things wrong and don't want to take delivery, it's already off the truck and he's leaving for his next delivery... Quote:
are Ford's full sized trucks and maybe Ranger and the larger SUVs Everything else barely covers its own replacement costs or loses money. Last edited by jpd80; 08-09-2019 at 09:18 PM. |
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that's why Ford NA got out of the car business last year. Trucks, SUVs and Mustang only. Ranger for us, and Transit for Eu. Everything else is borderline profitable at best |
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I've seen a car showroom on the first floor of our local Westfield. Would be worth buying from them just for the 'driving out of the showroom' experience.
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Both sold about the same amount of vehicles but the big difference was Ford and the F Series which added something like $1.3 Billion profit per quarter over the ~$600M Toyota was getting with mostly car and SUV heavy sales plus a few Tacomas and some Tundras.. Not to be little Toyota's efforts but more to show how Ford absolutely relies on F Series and commercials to make the big bucks, maybe the next big thing is low-rider HP trucks / SUVs.... |
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why did Mercedes dump theirs? "In Mercedes’s version from 2007, the 1.8-litre four-cylinder twin-turbo unit claimed a very healthy 177kW and 400Nm of torque while using just 4.4L/100km. It remains officially unclear why the company did not persist with the technology, but it’s likely a case of cost, reliability concerns and market demand".
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Down the escalators, first floor ladies fashion, Ford dealership, and food court. They use to sell those Proton utes from shopping centres. Reminds me of the Tesla showroom in Martin Place, Sydney. I wondered how you took one for a test drive.
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