Americanisation of Australian Car Market.

[Charliewool]

Dr Terry... Re: my previous query on your criteria...Is our Falcon a ute?

[FPV+fteT3]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

But it's not a ute, it's a pick-up.

Dr Terry

No Dr Terry a pick up happens in Darlinghurst after dark what you do with your pick up after is entirely your business. I guess what you do depends on if it is Caitlin or Bruce you picked up but I digress….

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by FPV+fteT3

Sorry maybe this analogy is easier for you to understand, all trucks have more than 4 wheels and tyres running on the road surface at any one time. If your vehicle has only four wheels its not a truck take it back to your dealer and ask for your money back as they have sold you a ute.
Personally I don't care what you call a Ranger you can call it Bruce or Caitlin if you like its still not a truck its a ute.

For the love of God, if you don't want to understand the actual topic being discussed I can't help you.. You can go on about 4 wheels, 6 wheels, Bruce or Caitlin, but you still don't understand the original question being asked by the first post in this topic!! Go back & re-read the first post!!!

[FPV+fteT3]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

For the love of God, if you don't want to understand the actual topic being discussed I can't help you.. You can go on about 4 wheels, 6 wheels, Bruce or Caitlin, but you still don't understand the original question being asked by the first post in this topic!! Go back & re-read the first post!!!

Mate you will be going tailgating next your on your own….

[castellan]

One needs a Licence to drive a Truck, I thought or is that not so.
He is a Truck driver ?
If you drive a dual cab of the likes of a Hi Lux, that's not a truck and it's not a ute.
As my old mate Dr Terry said, it's called a Pickup.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Dr Terry... Re: my previous query on your criteria...Is our Falcon a ute?

It's a Pickup ute, from the AU on.
XL to XH are Utes.
XA to XC are a hardtop Ute.

[SSD-85]

Look on the bright side, at least we won't lose "Panelvan" to just "Van".

Mainly due to Panos not being made anymore...

[MrZ]

The term "truck" in Australia is not a recent thing. Remember this 2003 Holden Rodeo TV ad, which used the tagline "It's a monster truck" ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIgOPP-k1GU

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Dr Terry... Re: my previous query on your criteria...Is our Falcon a ute?

Strictly speaking the Falcon from AU onwards, is not a true coupe utility. The tray is separate, so I would call it a pick-up.

Originally Posted by castellan

It's a Pickup ute, from the AU on.
XL to XH are Utes.
XA to XC are a hardtop Ute.

What about the XK ?

Originally Posted by SSD-85

Look on the bright side, at least we won't lose "Panelvan" to just "Van".

Mainly due to Panos not being made anymore...

Ford called the XK to XP vans a 'sedan delivery'.

Dr Terry

[xxx000]

Some annoying examples of the Americanisation of Australia

The term 'Do the math'
'Valley girl' talk: Using the word 'like' multiple times in every sentence
the term 'burglarised'
the term 'mini truck'

[smoo]

Originally Posted by MrZ

Your definition is flawed. The Amarok has 8 gears, and the new Hilux 4.0L V6 has 277 hp.

The point still stands. Something with a 1 tonne pay load and a (rather scary) 3.5t tow rating should never be classed as a truck.
The BMW 1 series also has 8 gears.
If you want to get technical the 4wd utes with low range have 12 'gears'.
That V6 Hiluxs torque output would be less than what one cylinder would produce on a lot of on highway trucks.

From the Oxford dictionary. Safe to say the typical ute as we know it doesn't fit into this vague definition.

A large, heavy road vehicle used for carrying goods, materials, or troops; a lorry.

[chevypower]

One of the differences I have noticed is in Australia, if you use an American term, you get your head chewed off like you just committed a crime. In America, if I say "bonnet," "boot." "petrol," nobody cares... people think it's cool. Aren't there bigger things to worry about? (serious question).

[Dr Terry]

When I was in the US a few years ago, I was talking to a mechanic & I used the word car 'bonnet'. He looked at me strangely & said to me that "a bonnet was a piece of clothing & that hood was only the engine lid of a car".

I quickly retorted that when he was in junior school, he must have read the book 'Little Red Riding Bonnet', not 'Little Red Riding Hood'.

He said OK you got me there.

Dr Terry

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by smoo

From the Oxford dictionary. Safe to say the typical ute as we know it doesn't fit into this vague definition.

Forget Oxford Dictionary, the only one, true legitimate dictionary of the 21st century is Urban Dictionary

ute
utility vehicle, Australian origin

Chuck some bales on the ute!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ute

[Iggle Piggle]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

When I was in the US a few years ago, I was talking to a mechanic & I used the word car 'bonnet'. He looked at me strangely & said to me that "a bonnet was a piece of clothing & that hood was only the engine lid of a car".

I quickly retorted that when he was in junior school, he must have read the book 'Little Red Riding Bonnet', not 'Little Red Riding Hood'.

He said OK you got me there.

Dr Terry

But what was it made of?

The Holden SS has an al-you-min-ee-um bonnet.

The Chev SS has an a-loo-me-num hood.

Hope ChevyPower and MobyVic appreciate most of this thread is tongue in cheek stuff.

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by Iggle Piggle

But what was it made of?

The Holden SS has an al-you-min-ee-um bonnet.

The Chev SS has an a-loo-me-num hood.

Hope ChevyPower and MobyVic appreciate most of this thread is tongue in cheek stuff.

I'm sure most on here would realise (realize) that this thread is tongue in cheek.

On the subject of aluminium/aluminum, we joked about that one as well, with my newly found US friend.

He asked why I pronounced it that way & I said that how it is spelt in English, but you yanks left out the all important 'i'. He said no, you 'English' put the 'i' in.

Then I had to point out the scientific table of elements, which I believe to be an international standard, which lists many other elements with similar suffixes, e.g.- sodium, uranium, magnesium, potassium, radium, calcium, strontium etc. etc.

In the end, he surrendered & we had a good laugh. But having said that, I also had to point out that Aussies weren't just Englishmen who happen live in South East Asia.

On a related topic, there are quite a few parts of a car, where not only do the yanks & the poms use different terminology, us Aussies use different ones yet again.

A good example is 'front fender' which we call a 'front guard' (or sometimes front 1/4 panel), the poms call them 'front wings', go figure. There are many others I'm sure.

Dr Terry

[JG66ME]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Could be because they call Trucks 'Lorries'

Some do. The word Lorry tends to be used in the common vernacular but not in the transport industry. They call them trucks or, in the north, wagons. A waggon is usually a two to four axle rigid. There, large four axle tip trucks are usually called "8 leggers".

The term Lorry must have been in the official Australian vernacular at some point. Last year I brought home a tractor from Gosford down to Melbourne and had to swing into the "Heavy Vehicle" check point just by the Hawksbury River. A few weeks ago we watched that old Australian classic film "Stone" with the bikes driving through the same spot in 1972/3. The road sign on the film said "Lorry Checking Station". I was gob smacked.

Language changes all the time. The Australian vernacular today is nothing like it was 30 years ago. I think the word ute will hang around for a some time but possibly not forever. Most countries refer to utes as pick ups, except South Africa, where the term Bakkie is used.

Steven

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by JG66ME

Language changes all the time. The Australian vernacular today is nothing like it was 30 years ago. I think the word ute will hang around for a some time but possibly not forever. Most countries refer to utes as pick ups, except South Africa, where the term Bakkie is used.

Steven

In South Africa you can be driving through a 'monkeys wedding' as you stop at a 'robot'

[castellan]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Strictly speaking the Falcon from AU onwards, is not a true coupe utility. The tray is separate, so I would call it a pick-up.



What about the XK ?



Ford called the XK to XP vans a 'sedan delivery'.

Dr Terry

The Aussie XK ute is called a Bakkie.

[JG66ME]

Originally Posted by xxx000

In South Africa you can be driving through a 'monkeys wedding' as you stop at a 'robot'

On your way to buy some wors for the braai.

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by xxx000

In South Africa you can be driving through a 'monkeys wedding' as you stop at a 'robot'

I know that a 'robot' is a traffic light, but WTF is a 'monkeys wedding' ?

Originally Posted by castellan

The Aussie XK ute is called a Bakkie.

I don't get it, why is the Aussie XK ute called a South African name ?

Dr Terry

[JG66ME]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

I know that a 'robot' is a traffic light, but WTF is a 'monkeys wedding' ?



I don't get it, why is the Aussie XK ute called a South African name ?

Dr Terry

Monkeys wedding is when the sun is shining brightly and it is raining at the same time.

Australian Ford and Holden utes were sold in SA up too XB/HJ. After the HG the Holden utes were branded Chevrolet and had 250cid Chev 6s and 350 V8s. All known locally as bakkies.

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by JG66ME

Monkeys wedding is when the sun is shining brightly and it is raining at the same time.

Sounds like a sun shower to me.

Originally Posted by JG66ME

Australian Ford and Holden utes were sold in SA up too XB/HJ. After the HG the Holden utes were branded Chevrolet and had 250cid Chev 6s and 350 V8s. All known locally as bakkies.

I know that the S Africans call utes bakkies, but my question was why more why would you call an XK ute a bakkie in Australia, why not a ute just like XL onwards.

You could help me out with this one, if you have knowledge of the S African motor market. I do know that HK to HG were sold as either Holdens or Chevs thru 2 separate dealer networks. From HQ onwards when they were only Chevs, what did they do with the 2nd dealer network ? Did they just combine them, so that they all sold Chevs ?

Dr Terry

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

I'm sure most on here would realise (realize) that this thread is tongue in cheek.

On the subject of aluminium/aluminum, we joked about that one as well, with my newly found US friend.

He asked why I pronounced it that way & I said that how it is spelt in English, but you yanks left out the all important 'i'. He said no, you 'English' put the 'i' in.

Then I had to point out the scientific table of elements, which I believe to be an international standard, which lists many other elements with similar suffixes, e.g.- sodium, uranium, magnesium, potassium, radium, calcium, strontium etc. etc.

so true, I always thought about that too. But then I wondered what happened to platinium?

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

On the subject of aluminium/aluminum, we joked about that one as well, with my newly found US friend.

Next time you see him ask him why George Dubbya mangles the word Nuclear

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Next time you see him ask him why George Dubbya mangles the word Nuclear

Every 2nd person in the media also mangles that same word. I cannot understand how.

It's pretty simple really "new clear", not "new killer".

Dr Terry

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Every 2nd person in the media also mangles that same word. I cannot understand how.

It's pretty simple really "new clear", not "new killer".

Dr Terry

But George Dubbya made it Nucular

[Iggle Piggle]

Yeah but doesn't he also wish that human beings and fish can one day peacefully co-exist, or is that just an internet thing?

[castellan]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Sounds like a sun shower to me.



I know that the S Africans call utes bakkies, but my question was why more why would you call an XK ute a bakkie in Australia, why not a ute just like XL onwards.

You could help me out with this one, if you have knowledge of the S African motor market. I do know that HK to HG were sold as either Holdens or Chevs thru 2 separate dealer networks. From HQ onwards when they were only Chevs, what did they do with the 2nd dealer network ? Did they just combine them, so that they all sold Chevs ?

Dr Terry

The short answer is I just been drinking McAllister & Cola, like I am now and I just touched the key board key L that's right near the K and did not look at what I typed.
Then I just joked about the Bakkie thing.

The long answer is a Bakkie is really called a bucky and that means it just holds things within, like a bucket and I could go on and on.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Next time you see him ask him why George Dubbya mangles the word Nuclear

Well that does not bother me at all, but what does is, our young kids using words that are 180 deg to what it is meant to be, like the word wicked and too easy then they believe that they evolved from Apes as well what an idiot generation and just look at them walking about with their crack showing and hat on the wrong way I just don't get it at all. walking about with shoe lace undone .