QLD To Consider Mandating Ethanol in all Petrol Bowsers

[burnz]

Originally Posted by DAVO_XR

Again, its that word "majority". "Majority" of 20+million people still leaves a lot of the "minority". Who will once again be left with a sore backside.

And I dont care if people think its good for the environment or not, personally I dont think it makes any difference, and I think its a rubbish product, so therefore I should still have a choice not to use it.

Its funny how people suport these ridiculous blanket solutions when they aren't affected directly by it, but when the one of THEIR freedoms gets taken away for no reason, with no proof, by an idiot, its whinge whinge whinge. Although, being a smoker, a drinker, a v8 owner, a car enthusiast, and a blue collar tax payer, sometimes it seems its only mine that get taken away!

how many people had unleaded capable cars in 86?? 1%~2%
how many people have E10 capable cars in 2014?? 97%~98%

[Trump]

Originally Posted by burnz

how many people had unleaded capable cars in 86?? 1%~2%
how many people have E10 capable cars in 2014?? 97%~98%

I'd love to see the source and/or rationale behind those numbers.

[NAK302]

there seems to be a lot of folk here with pretty loud opinions, who this doesn't affect.

[dragons90]

It would be better if they left 98 ethanol free so you could pay the premium if you don't want ethanol and made e85 readily available, at the moment it's over 20km to the nearest one not worth the hassle converting my F6 to it.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by GT-0733

like i wrote earlier, the general public will feel the financial hit to either modify or upgrade(?), but we'll be made to feel better knowing it's absolutely better for the environment. just like my solar panels, huh?

http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2010...-ethanol-20281

General public financial hit? If you don't want to use E85, then don't use it? Just because its there at the station doesn't mean you are forced to use it.

I didn't say anything about replacing 91 with E85, I said bring it to every station.

E10 probably isn't worth it over normal 91, but anyway cars these days and in the last 5 or so years don't like 91 either, so whats the point, replace 91 with 95.

Anyone here with WS Fiestas like myself and anyone with a Japanese car from the 90s to now will also know how crap they run on 91 compared to 95/98.

[nstg8a]

Other than uniteds high octane e10, isn't every other e10 equivalent to 95, not 91?

[dragons90]

94-95 depending on brand

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

I'd love to see the source and/or rationale behind those numbers.

rational/logic!

so how many had U/L cars in 86 do you think?

petrol powered cars same question, how many can take E10?

lawnmower/line trimmers is a different question as 90% of them use alloy carbs.

[Jack91]

Theres a difference between a car running on E10, and a car running properly on E10 without rusting out the steel tank, fuel lines, and breaking down rubber fuel hoses and gaskets.

[burnz]

personally I can't see what the who hares about.

NSW had E10 mandated since Moses started popping tablets,
don't buy it if you don't like it simple. everybody "does" have a choice.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by DAVO_XR

Theres a difference between a car running on E10, and a car running properly on E10 without rusting out the steel tank, fuel lines, and breaking down rubber fuel hoses and gaskets.

How many cars still run steel tanks?

[Jack91]

One of mine does. And thats enough reason for me to be massively ****ed.

I think my gripe is being misunderstood. I dont care what you yuppies do, all I want is to continue to pay $1.75 a litre for 98 octane that doesnt have ethanol in it.

[NAK302]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

General public financial hit? If you don't want to use E85, then don't use it? Just because its there at the station doesn't mean you are forced to use it.

I didn't say anything about replacing 91 with E85, I said bring it to every station.

E10 probably isn't worth it over normal 91, but anyway cars these days and in the last 5 or so years don't like 91 either, so whats the point, replace 91 with 95.

Anyone here with WS Fiestas like myself and anyone with a Japanese car from the 90s to now will also know how crap they run on 91 compared to 95/98.

your reply doesn't make sense. mandatory means there is no choice.

[turboclown]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

How many cars still run steel tanks?

I wonder if he realises ethanol is about as corrosive as regular petrol?

[burnz]

Originally Posted by GT-0733

your reply doesn't make sense. mandatory means there is no choice.

but you will have a choice, just like NSW all garages have at least one bowser selling E10.

you can buy regular or premium with/without it. your choice.

[NAK302]

Originally Posted by burnz

but you will have a choice, just like NSW all garages have at least one bowser selling E10.

you can buy regular or premium with/without it. your choice.

and in 5 years time?

[burnz]

Originally Posted by GT-0733

and in 5 years time?

we have had it for?? well when was howard in office, that long now and nothing has changed.

they arnt removing the other pumps, if that's what your asking.

[Jack91]

Originally Posted by turboclown

I wonder if he realises ethanol is about as corrosive as regular petrol?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=is+ethanol+more...ve+than+petrol

[NAK302]

Originally Posted by burnz

we have had it for?? well when was howard in office, that long now and nothing has changed.

they arnt removing the other pumps, if that's what your asking.

mate, i've been in central qld for the last 10 years and never seen a e10 bowser in my town. it took them 5 years to get 98.

[Lotte]

Originally Posted by ebzery

ethanol fuel you need to get a bigger tank to get the same distance.
v8 supercars went to ethanol they talked about components failing in the fuel system and 40% increases in fuel usages.
you wont see many pre 86 cars on the road because they got rid of leaded fuel which they were designed to run on

orly?

Sure that's not got more to do with cars going to the scrap heap and being written off at all? I don't have enough fingers and toes to count how many pre 86 cars I know running on unleaded, or even *SHOCK* LPG.

Also... comparing racing vehicles to everyday cars is redundant. The duress those vehicles deal with on a track day alone vs what an everyday car endures over a lifetime is a significant difference. It's a bit like comparing the amount of characters killed off in Game of Thrones, with the amount of characters killed off in Harry Potter and attempting to draw similarities between the two.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by DAVO_XR

Theres a difference between a car running on E10, and a car running properly on E10 without rusting out the steel tank, fuel lines, and breaking down rubber fuel hoses and gaskets.

old tanks get rusty anyways

http://www.clrbrands.com.au/

[Jack91]

Originally Posted by burnz

we have had it for?? well when was howard in office, that long now and nothing has changed.

they arnt removing the other pumps, if that's what your asking.

Maybe not. But will they too be ethanol blends? Of course they will, because people are predictable. In the same way that this will come in in QLD, its also obvious that it will come in in Victoria, and its obvious that 95 and 98 will be topped up with ethanol

[Lotte]

Originally Posted by DAVO_XR

Maybe not. But will they too be ethanol blends? Of course they will, because people are predictable. In the same way that this will come in in QLD, its also obvious that it will come in in Victoria, and its obvious that 95 and 98 will be topped up with ethanol

Making the other pumps contain ethanol without indication of the change and displaying the different fuel goes against consumer law. So if you're worried that they'll be slipping ethanol into our premium then you're probably wrong.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by GT-0733

mate, i've been in central qld for the last 10 years and never seen a e10 bowser in my town. it took them 5 years to get 98.

used for years before being mandated in 2007.

7 years later same old same old, both pumps are still their your choice to use or not to use.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by GT-0733

your reply doesn't make sense. mandatory means there is no choice.

My reply made plenty of sense, I said every servo should have to have E85.

Not that every servo has to replace LPG, Diesel, 91, 95 and 98 with E85.

Just make it mandatory to have at least 1 E85 pump.

Plenty of Commodores getting around which will happily run on E85.

[wookie836]

water from the hygroscopic effect of ethanol in fuel, which comes from the air inside your fuel tank as it empties turns into formic acid when burnt inside your cylinders. but hey wed have a lot more car buyers if you had to replace your engines every few years from ****** fuel at bowsers and from the idle times your car sits or drives around without a full tank.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by wookie836

water from the hygroscopic effect of ethanol in fuel, which comes from the air inside your fuel tank as it empties turns into formic acid when burnt inside your cylinders. but hey wed have a lot more car buyers if you had to replace your engines every few years from ****** fuel at bowsers and from the idle times your car sits or drives around without a full tank.

well keep burning petrol and have sulphuric acid in your combustion chamber.

[NAK302]

Originally Posted by burnz

well keep burning petrol and have sulphuric acid in your combustion chamber.

true, but my BA GT will be the 3rd car i will have to modify from new due to mandatory changes in fuel type. i guess the gment will have more than their fair share out of me before i kick the bucket. yet there are those that insist i must change for the sake of change....

[burnz]

Originally Posted by GT-0733

true, but my BA GT will be the 3rd car i will have to modify from new due to mandatory changes in fuel type. i guess the gment will have more than their fair share out of me before i kick the bucket. yet there are those that insist i must change for the sake of change....

that's the thing I think they will go like us in NSW you will have an option.

you'll find it mandatory to sell E10 but not all pumps will be E10.

you have boats and other pleasure craft up their as well as lawn maintenance devices.

[turboclown]

Originally Posted by GT-0733

true, but my BA GT will be the 3rd car i will have to modify from new due to mandatory changes in fuel type. i guess the gment will have more than their fair share out of me before i kick the bucket. yet there are those that insist i must change for the sake of change....

What do you have to change?