Right or wrong

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by XR

I hate scumbags who jump on opportunities to take advantage at someone elses expense.

just so they can flip it on ebay

[ebxr8240]

It's only a Holden...
Karma is a great thing...

[BENT_8]

I've followed this thread and thought about it over the last couple of days and to be quite honest, the majority of you guys are spot on.
The announcer did exactly what he should have done, he upheld the integrity of his show and employer, whilst showing compassion and understanding to a fellow human being under trying circumstances who would obviously be struggling to come to terms with the loss of his sibling.

Sure, he may have upset a handful of so called enthusiasts who recognised a steal and were keen to jump on it and proberbly a few genuine buyers too, im sure he can live with that.
He also earned a whealth of respect throughout the car community as evident by the sentiments in this thread, not to mention his weekly listeners.

Well done!

[TheGTCoupe]

Offcourse he did the right thing. We all like a good price or a bargain but when you KNOW you're taking advantage of someone innocent, that's just wrong!

To those who disagree - how did you like it last time you were taken advantage of?

[b0son]

Originally Posted by TheGTCoupe

To those who disagree - how did you like it last time you were taken advantage of?

You are shopping for a new TV. For whatever reason, the marked price is incorrect and you know its a mistake. Do you point it out to a salesperson to find out the correct price, or do you keep quiet and try and nab a bargain?

I'm willing to bet the overwhelming majority of you would try and score a bargain. The only difference is, ones a little old lady, and the other is a business... even though at the end of the day, its still coming out of someone's pocket.

[auxr]

The majority of the posters have nailed it - the announcer did the right thing and saved the caller a lot of anguish.

BUT

If I turned up at an address with $20k to puchase a classic sight unseen, I would be expecting to purchase a rusty mess for a nut and bolt restoration.

As some others have already posted, if I was there at the time and the car was in good condition - I wouldn't think twice as to buying on the spot.

Very hard for someone tapping away on a key board and saying otherwise.

When confronted with an unexpected oppurtunity, now let's be honest here guys, a seller is placing something on the market to sell, a buyer attends to purchase - pays the price that is offered and then takes the goods, no question's asked.

[iCat]

i've heard darren james do that before - a woman rang offering a full size (6x12) slate and timber pool table in perfect condition with all accessories, for free. he asked her was she sure, that she could get quite a bit of money for it and she said that yes she was aware but she just wanted it out of the house, no further use for it.

i think most who call in are offering bargains, and the darren keeps an eye on the fairness of it all. and good on him. it adds to the reputation of the segment and the radio station.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by b0son

You are shopping for a new TV. For whatever reason, the marked price is incorrect and you know its a mistake. Do you point it out to a salesperson to find out the correct price, or do you keep quiet and try and nab a bargain?

I'm willing to bet the overwhelming majority of you would try and score a bargain. The only difference is, ones a little old lady, and the other is a business... even though at the end of the day, its still coming out of someone's pocket.

Lol, im not sure i've ever seen a TV undervalued by $80k...

Apples and oranges, you cant compare a few dollars, even a few hundred off a TV against a massive $80k undervaluation of a desirable musclecar.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by auxr

The majority of the posters have nailed it - the announcer did the right thing and saved the caller a lot of anguish.

BUT

If I turned up at an address with $20k to puchase a classic sight unseen, I would be expecting to purchase a rusty mess for a nut and bolt restoration.

As some others have already posted, if I was there at the time and the car was in good condition - I wouldn't think twice as to buying on the spot.

Very hard for someone tapping away on a key board and saying otherwise.

When confronted with an unexpected oppurtunity, now let's be honest here guys, a seller is placing something on the market to sell, a buyer attends to purchase - pays the price that is offered and then takes the goods, no question's asked.

Your spot on, and had he have advertised it in the local paper or online chances are he would have lost out bigtime as the scenario you have painted would have most likely played out, however, in this case it was advertised via a talkback type show with actual input prior to the viewing and the mistake in value was flagged and i expect rectified.
If any of those buyers are serious about owning a rare, sought after vehicle they can still buy it but at its true value.
Now, considering you just cant buy these things in any old caryard i'd say a true enthusiast wanting to add it to their collection wouldnt have a problem paying its true value as they can relate to it being worth that and know how hard they are to come by, hence its value.
Anyone else is just a wannabe or whinging cos they cant make a quick buck!

[TheGTCoupe]

Originally Posted by TheGTCoupe

To those who disagree - how did you like it last time you were taken advantage of?

Originally Posted by b0son

You are shopping for a new TV. For whatever reason, the marked price is incorrect and you know its a mistake. Do you point it out to a salesperson to find out the correct price, or do you keep quiet and try and nab a bargain?

I'm willing to bet the overwhelming majority of you would try and score a bargain. The only difference is, ones a little old lady, and the other is a business... even though at the end of the day, its still coming out of someone's pocket.

No comparison

[b0son]

Originally Posted by TheGTCoupe

No comparison

Why? Because of the sums involved? Or because of the people involved?

Its easy to paint yourself the hero sitting behind a keyboard. The only truly honest responses I reckon I've seen are from those who say they probably would take advantage. $80k is a lot of money. Its easy to say you wouldnt be tempted by it when its not sitting right under your nose.

[2011G6E]

Most people say it's terrible to take advantage of someone who doesn't know the value of something...

...but I bet they'd jump at the opportunity if given the chance to buy it themselves...

I've snaffled a few bargains over the years...a pair of Gearsack motorcycle saddlebags for $10 the pair when they're worth well over a hundred bucks second hand, a Holden HP red motor in great condition with cast iron two-piece headers and twin single throat Stromberg carbs for $50 (the guy only said it was "the old motor from his HR and used too much fuel" so he put in a standard single carb 186 he had sitting around), stuff like that.
My nephew went to a deceased estate auction and before the auction picked up an unregistered bright yellow XD S-Pack with alloy Volante wheels, four wheel discs, 351, top loader, and nine inch, and only 90,000km on the clock for only $4000. Too bad, they agreed to sell any items before auction if someone made a suitable offer.

If I saw a genuine 350 Monaro up for sale by someone for only $20,000 I'd leave a substantial deposit, get him to remove the for sale sign and put it out of sight, and land break speed records getting to the bank to arrange finance and keep my mouth shut...

[302 XC]

To many comparisons that are just not relevant to the issue
Comparing a TV price ???
So for the arguement,
Your in a store a new sales person advertises the lastest and greatest telly for $50 (bit green on the subject , just example)
So someone in the store looking at a lounge spots this ,says
"Buddy i think that price is a little low are you sure"
So thats wrong to do that ???
Or should he snaffle it up , wack it on evilbay and score big time ???

At the end of the day , seriously whos got 20 large anyway ???
How quick could ya get it ???
12-24 hours
Too late gone

Theres plenty of dreamers out there,whom put deposits on stuff knowing full well they cant raise the cash
How many have taken deposits for stuff thats sat around for ages ???
Id be surprised how many of the people who complained really had excess to the $$$
You certainly wouldnt have droves of people within the first 5 mins
30 mins later maybe
IF it was a score of the century and its what im after for sure, id find a way to get the $$$$ quick,
But if it doesnt interest me ,would i mention its a tad under priced
You betcha

[b0son]

Originally Posted by 302 XC

But if it doesnt interest me ,would i mention its a tad under priced
You betcha

As would I. Its easy to do when you have no vested interest.

OTOH, if you were a serious buyer with the funds to pay market price, would you tell the seller it was too cheap?

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by b0son

As would I. Its easy to do when you have no vested interest.

OTOH, if you were a serious buyer with the funds to pay market price, would you tell the seller it was too cheap?

Anyone who says yes they would is lying. Flat out, "look at me Im super duper honest injun." Only someone who couldnt buy it, will make the the seller aware.


Lets rephrase the question.

Someone (not a relative or good mate) is selling their Genuine GTS 350 Monaro for $20k. Youre the first one there and they offer it to you. How much money are you going to give them? If it helps, its a genuine GT, insert whatever model you like.

Yes, its legit, genuine, and in good nic.

If you say a bit more, then youre no better than the guy snavelling it up at $20k. If you say market value because thats its value, youre a liar.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by loftie

Firstly - I believe that Darren did the right thing...

But I think you're all forgetting the big picture here...

Darren (who is also a bit of a petrolhead) did the right thing by the caller... but mostly he did the right thing by 3AW....

What happens to 3AW's integrity & reputation, and also Darren's personal integrity and reputation, if they are then known as that radio station who sold 'that dead guys monaro' for $20k...

Bad news spreads way quicker than good... and it doesn't take long to muddy lots of great work...

I’ve only just come in from work and found this thread.

Loftie, you’ve made a great point. Darren and all of the staff at 3AW must abide by what is known as a radio and advertisers code of conduct.

I won’t go into too much detail here but I will say that Darren James is one of the most decent and honest people that you will ever come across, therefore, the thought of not telling this bloke the true value of the car would have never entered his mind.

Also, if Darren did not tell the bloke about the true value of the car, under the guidelines set out by ACMA, he would also be breaking the law.

[TheGTCoupe]

Originally Posted by b0son

Why? Because of the sums involved? Or because of the people involved?

Its easy to paint yourself the hero sitting behind a keyboard. The only truly honest responses I reckon I've seen are from those who say they probably would take advantage. $80k is a lot of money. Its easy to say you wouldnt be tempted by it when its not sitting right under your nose.

The question was "right or wrong" remember??.. but to answer your question BOTH

Let's say you have a sister that has an XU1 torana and she was getting sick of it because it always broke down and she wanted to get rid of it, and she didn't know what it was worth. She figured she paid $3000 for it 15 years ago so now maybe it's worth $1500 or so. So she sells it easily at that price in todays market. You find out a later she sold it and for how much.

What would you say to her?.. and more importantly what would you think of the buyer?

If you think the buyer scored a good deal and good on him then you're a fool!

There are enough people in this world ripping off the innocent. If you want to be one of them fine - i don't!

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by TheGTCoupe

The question was "right or wrong" remember??.. but to answer your question BOTH

Let's say you have a sister that has an XU1 torana and she was getting sick of it because it always broke down and she wanted to get rid of it, and she didn't know what it was worth. She figured she paid $3000 for it 15 years ago so now maybe it's worth $1500 or so. So she sells it easily at that price in todays market. You find out a later she sold it and for how much.

What would you say to her?.. and more importantly what would you think of the buyer?

If you think the buyer scored a good deal and good on him then you're a fool!

There are enough people in this world ripping off the innocent. If you want to be one of them fine - i don't!

That’s a great post.

There’s a big difference between a bargain and ripping someone off.

[gtxb67]

since everyone saying they would not take advantage is a liar, i must be one - then again, not everyone would. nor would everyone would buy the "don't ask questions cheap dvd player from the pub" either

if i bought that car for $20,000, i would be embarrased to tell my friends the price i paid. my friends would be secretly ashamed of me - and for good reason. $80,000 may be a lot of money, but my soul is worth s#!tloads more than that

i cannot change the world, but the world will never change me

[mick10010]

Course he did the right thing, majority of people would...but we all thought about how nice a deal like that would be!

[b0son]

Originally Posted by TheGTCoupe

What would you say to her?.. and more importantly what would you think of the buyer?

I wouldnt say anything, I wouldnt want her to feel like an ****.

As for the buyer, I wouldnt think anything. The seller has been ripped off by their own actions. The buyer has paid what was asked.

[iCat]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

There’s a big difference between a bargain and ripping someone off.

and that is the point.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

How can it be seen as stealing if the seller wants 20K and gets 20K??

Seriously unless you are a complete moron you would have some idea what the car is worth, and if you don't how about do some research before selling it!

Perhaps with the recent death of his brother and large expenses that can entail, he has other issues to worry about at a time that he has more important things on his mind. I don't blame him and perhaps his call was in an indirect way market research and he was hoping the presented could help him out, which he did.

I absolutely think the presenter did the right thing.

As for those that complained, get over it. Even if they gave him $80k, they are still getting a bargain without totally ripping the poor guy off. I would go as far to say buying a car at 80% of its value is a bargain, 20% is plain unethical.

[XR6_661]

The presenter did the right thing...

In saying that, I would have been dropping whatever I was doing and going to the bank to get the money to buy it. No flies on me.

[TheGTCoupe]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

There’s a big difference between a bargain and ripping someone off.

Originally Posted by iCat

and that is the point.

Yes!
.

[stang65]

i can`t believe this is even a question, to all you out there that think it`s wrong what the announcer did, let say your mum say she`s 70+ decides she wants to sell her house.

Not being very good in real estate and not being in the loop she goes to put her house on the market for $300,000.00 the going rate is say $800,000.00 in that area, you walk in and find out just about to list it.

Do you A) rip off your own mother or B)let her know she is making a mistake and help her adjust the price accordingly.

To me it sounds like we have a few vultures here, people should not pounce on the ignorant to get a head. it will always be someones mother ,father ,sister, brother or friend and as a decent human being the radio announcer did the right thing. Not to mention the person was in mourning.

[2011G6E]

I'd feel like an ****...and **** who also had a 350 Monaro in the shed.

It used to happen a lot with cars and bikes, but now even old grannies and grandpas get online and check stuff out, so it's rare to stumble across some old person with a "hidden classic" for a low price.
The last time I saw it happen was with a pinkish colored six cylinder XB coupe...steel wheels, really good nic, which a wrecking yard had bought off an old lady for $3000 and was selling for $9000. This was back in about 1990.
It still is a standard thing for swap meets...everyone wants to stumble across some treasure that the owner has no idea of the value.

A couple of years back I tried to get myself a bargain, as I knew a farm on a remote road where you could see a VH Valiant Pacer sedan sitting in a shed. It'd been there for at least ten years, and I thought "to hell with it...I'll ask", and rode my bike to the farmhouse. I started out by introducing myself and asking if the guy had any old motorbikes on the property that he might want to sell, and he took me to the shed beside the one where the Pacer sat. He had some old Ag bikes and also an old Triumph which needed a full resto, and as we chatted, I broached the subject of the Pacer. I had a bit of a look as we stood there talking bikes...it looked great, very straight, and only had faded white paint with the original striping in good condition, and said "How much for the old Valiant?". He said, without a blink of hesitation, "The 265 Pacer isn't for sale, but if it was, it'd be $30,000..."
Oh well...

[Cadge]

I guess it also comes down the person who is buying it as well

If they were a genuine enthusiast of that car, i wouldnt see it as so bad, becuase 9 out of 10 times, that sort of person is going to buy the car if its 20k or 80k, if they are truely dinky di interested in it. In this case, i could understand why someone would be upset if they thought they were going to get their dream car cheaper

If, on the other hand, the person buying the car was purley buying it to flip it and make a profit straight away, screw em, they didnt deserve the car in the first place and the presenter did the right thing.

[302 XC]

So is it the same as me
I bought my XC Fairmont Rallypack original V8 2 owner for under 1K
Yep still regoed
If i didnt want it and i told the owner "nah im not interested in it" ,
That i told him it was worth more ???
Is it any different ???

What IF it was a monaro as such , and i didnt want it ???
OR a EH Premier low K jobie ???
As i mention its all good and well to bang on about "Yeah id buy it"
But seriously whos got the money or access to it
Seriously hardly anyone

[Jack91]

If I was in the position, Id buy the car for that.
Its completely the sellers fault.
If he's happy with $20k and Im happy with the car, whats the problem?
If I didnt buy it, someone else would be seconds behind me.