Hydrogen .... Believe it or not.

[Franco Cozzo]

United has E85 on the princess highway, its really good for cars running boost, N/A not so much I think, nothing to really take advantage of its high octane rating.

[GASWAGON]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

United has E85 on the princess highway, its really good for cars running boost, N/A not so much I think, nothing to really take advantage of its high octane rating.

Well that would be the first E85 pump I have EVER seen in Melbourne.....Its still false economy if its only a few cents cheaper than petrol.....

At least LPG is still around the 60-70% mark even with the xmas price hikes.

[ryeman]

Originally Posted by EF_6

?.........servos basically dumped the whole Ethanol idea because they couldn't see the benefits of it.

Shell removed all there E85 pumps too!

And LPG in time too!

[GASWAGON]

Originally Posted by ryeman

And LPG in time too!

Don't give up yet Ryeman, wait till it warms up in Europe and we'll see if prices come back down......But ye the real nail will be the finish of the LPG rebate in June.

[ryeman]

Autogas is going to simply become an 'inconvenience' leading to total loss in time.
It's the vehicle which will see to that.

[GASWAGON]

Such a shame for Oz and the EcoLPi and the LPG/Gas industry.......Europe, Asia and even the U.S are starting to use gaseous fuels for buses, trucks, taxis, and heating etc etc and yet here in Oz the government are blind to see all the benefits of such a cheap, clean fuel that we have literally hundreds of years of supply.

I seriously DONT get it???

[ryeman]

Hyundai made/make an LPG hybrid, pity they didn't import it.
I suspect market research would show women are scared of autogas.
They think the tanks can explode.
Melbourne taxi industry started it, now they're deserting it gradually.
The end is nigh.

[GASWAGON]

Thers still light at the end of the tunnel Ryeman.....Toyota are already onto it which is why they are the worlds biggest car manufacturer!

You REALLY need to join the 'Gas Energy Australia' Facebook site!

http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...80418_20131126

[ryeman]

So give us the 'gos' on what Toyota are doing with LPG, haven't heard or seen anything.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by EF_6

Such a shame for Oz and the EcoLPi and the LPG/Gas industry.......Europe, Asia and even the U.S are starting to use gaseous fuels for buses, trucks, taxis, and heating etc etc and yet here in Oz the government are blind to see all the benefits of such a cheap, clean fuel that we have literally hundreds of years of supply.

I seriously DONT get it???

i think it's natural gas that we have mega supplies of, not LPG?

[ryeman]

Originally Posted by zilo

i think it's natural gas that we have mega supplies of, not LPG?

We have mega supplies of the natural gas 'waste' .....it's LPG.
A sad fact.

[ryeman]

Hyundai have announced their 'fuel cell' Tucson to be released later this year and Toyota theirs in 2015.
This commences in California.
The refueling issue is to be addressed starting soon, a gradual start but seems a revolution is afoot.
(Appologies about link, it's in current EarthTechling edition.....Toyota fuel cell fm 2015.

[ryeman]

globalenergydevice.com advertise an adaptor kit fm $US249 .....seems it can boost power etc....who would have thunk it?.

[ryeman]

A US investment newsletter refers to a breakthrough in the use of solar energy to creat a 'new fuel' from water using the sun's energy.
It seems, to avoid scarring the horses, the fuel will be marketed as SUN GAS (HYDROGEN) and the rollout of infrastructure to start immediately.

[cheap]

This is the future

[blk6t]

The biggest problem for a change in vehicle energy is infrastructure. Oil / Gas infrastructure is heavily in place, at least in Australia. Nothing around for electric and can guarantee no solid plans for hydrogen.

It's like Australia is happy enough to hum along on the reliance of oil being shipped in everyday.

Surely there has to be other ways to propel or move vehicles. I haven't even Googled anything but what about magnets in the road base with same polarity magnets on the base of the vehicle to move the vehicle, probably won't work but surely something can be done.

[Franco Cozzo]

There is research and development happening just not everyone is 100% involved, when the **** hits the fan eventually they will have something ready so there wont be such a big deal.

Except the Ford Mondeo of the year 2250 will probably sound like a metro train.

Anyway who cares, by the time we have oil problems everyone who is posting on this forum or reading this post will either be buried or in an aged care facility.

[ryeman]

The Australian Petroleum Institute (API) will certainly do its utmost to delay hydrogen infrastructure unless they have their fingers in the pie, be certain about that.
Maybe an alignment of retailers and the API like that of hotels and beer brands....interesting times ahead.
It,certainly won't happen here quickly IMO.

[Lotte]

Originally Posted by ryeman

A US investment newsletter refers to a breakthrough in the use of solar energy to creat a 'new fuel' from water using the sun's energy.
It seems, to avoid scarring the horses, the fuel will be marketed as SUN GAS (HYDROGEN) and the rollout of infrastructure to start immediately.

Link?

[ryeman]

Originally Posted by Lotte

Link?

I subscribe to Uncommon Wisdom Daily (free)
Brad Hoppman wrote it but it won't come up when you google it maybe because it involves US investment tips.

Can't seem to give links on iPad.

[ryeman]

EarthTechling has an item from the US Dept of Energy 'Answers to some Fuel Cell Questions'......for those REALY interested.

[JG34JA]

Originally Posted by blk6t

The biggest problem for a change in vehicle energy is infrastructure. Oil / Gas infrastructure is heavily in place, at least in Australia. Nothing around for electric and can guarantee no solid plans for hydrogen.

It's like Australia is happy enough to hum along on the reliance of oil being shipped in everyday.

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Maybe we should start using our farming land to make ethanol based fuels, since majority of the **** you buy in the supermarket tastes like crap and comes from overseas.

I believe some of the VE Commodores can run on E85 from factory?

With Aussie infrastructure set up for liquid fuels, there would be no loss in providing local, distributed methods to make liquid fuel ethanol throughout the countryside. Especially in light of our refineries being shut down and converted into import terminals that are dependent on other nations to supply product. In terms of converting current petrol cars to run on it, it is not impossible. Good posts.

VW produces ethanol only versions of their small 4's for the Brazilian market, as do other automakers. The amount of sunlight we get in Australia is ridiculous and research has shown you do not need to use prime farming land to produce algae - some of which produce oils (diesel), others being worked on for starch (ethanol). No need to convert current ICE technology. For the land, much more sensible than fracking it.

[ryeman]

As far as I'm concerned, anything, including battery CNG hydrogen etc, that reduces the demand for oil is desirable and should keep a dampener on prices.

[ryeman]

An article gives some insight into how advanced the US is in endurance testing FCVs.
Once again, my apologies for 'link incompetence', hoping someone can post it.....

EarthTechling

Fuel Cell Vehicles Holding Up Well In Cold Weather

(5 Feb 2014)

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by JG34JA

VW produces ethanol only versions of their small 4's for the Brazilian market, as do other automakers. The amount of sunlight we get in Australia is ridiculous and research has shown you do not need to use prime farming land to produce algae - some of which produce oils (diesel), others being worked on for starch (ethanol). No need to convert current ICE technology. For the land, much more sensible than fracking it.

Holden was also doing this in Port Melbourne a few years back, one of my workmates was the line manager on the engine plant. They were sending the engines to Brazil, I can ask him on Monday what was different about those particular engines.

[Franco Cozzo]

Last year we were talking to a high up in Australia Post about environmental issues, and they're trying to make a change, they mentioned they're commissioning their first CNG vehicle, but mentioned there is only one or two places in Victoria they can fill up their vehicle from.

[Windsor220]

Electric or Hybrid is going to be the new major thing. Toyota is already doing it. Mitsubishi is converting their range over this year. Nissan have dabbled. Emissions are going to be difficult to achieve in a few years time.

[aussiblue]

There is this on its way: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/15/wo...les/index.html

[XR6Runner]

Originally Posted by aussiblue

There is this on its way: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/15/wo...les/index.html

Would be good if the only driving you did was in the city. But it's going to be hard for them to sell with a top speed of 96kph. I'm assuming at that top speed, everything is working hard and making a lot of noise, so you wouldn't want to be there for long.

[scoupedy]

[QUOTE=thefargo;4975485]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Hydrogen? No thanks.

the 'explosion and fire' was aluminium oxide, the silver covering(paint) not the hydrogen.
if you can find it check the colour images, the flames are blue/green, which is aluminium burning, not hydrogen, which burns with a clear flame.
interestingly enough, the aluminium oxide paint, is very similar to the solid fuel used in shuttle launches.

Im sure the hydrogen would be burning as well. The leaking hydrogen started the fire from what i read.

Originally Posted by danthefordman

I contacted customs a few years ago and my understanding is all items imported in to the country may attract duties and taxes depending on what they are. I think you might find that the 1000 limit is a myth. It just happens that customs focuses on larger or more lucrative tax opportunities as it costs money to chase these duties and items have to be stored whilst awaiting duties etc. For car parts I was quoted 10% import duty & 10% gst but it depends on whether or not your item gets pulled up. I have ordered parts from Jeggs and Summit but have not been pulled up so far. I have mates who get chewing tobacco from the US regularly. Sometimes it gets through sometimes not but tobacco products get hammered as they are taxed by weight so even an order valued at a couple hundred will get pulled up.