what falcon is the next collectable

[russellw]

Rarity is always a factor but it has to be mixed with a liberal dose of desirability.

The Lightburn Zeta Sports (28 built) passes the rarity criteria handsomely but despite the extreme abuse of the word sport (with all of 21 hp) they are worth roughly $2.50 based on the absence of desirability.

For whatever time the fossil fuel driven IC engine has left (and that's another debate altogether), it would seem unlikely that much being made today (or the last decade even) is ever going to attain the intrinsic status required to pass on both counts.

The T1/T2 example quoted earlier is a good example. They are rarer than the latter T3's (and from my view a better concept) but they lack the desirability that the T3 cars have in the market place - even though the build numbers were a lot higher.

The question also has to be raised about the restorability of these cars in two or three decades time. On the cars from the 60's and 70's it is possible to fabricate new external parts out of readily available materials by using the skills of a good tradesman but the same is not likely to be true for the repair of composite components that are already in short (or no) supply from the factory.

Time may well prove me wrong but it will certainly be a harder job then than it is now - and the availability of concours condition examples is one of the drivers behind the desirability factor.

Cheers
Russ

Cheers
Russ

[GTP owner]

Originally Posted by mrbaxr6t

love to know how a discussion about future collectible cars became a swipe at XR6T/F6 owners? really guys there are jerks that can be found in any make/model of car why does the XR6T/F6 owners continually have to be the brunt of so many barbs all the time, see very few owners of them taking swipes at people that own V8s at every opportunity. :

Not a swipe at xr6t owners. I have owned 3 so far and love them. But the comparison to a vl turbo is undeniable, and in no way a denigration of the owners of such. No need for you to feel slighted there mrbaxr6t. I think that the comment is that they will be popular (due to ease of modification, performance, v8 beating potential etc) but will not become collectible per se

[G6ET8U]

For me it has to be the XE ESP 5.8 in manual.

Scheel interior etc.

I liked Holdens growing up and yet I still wanted one of these cars. Kind of still do

[Mad Maxine]

Manual XE Fairmont Ghia ESP.

Had one, wished I never sold it, but I got tired of it raining inside the car and dumping water all over my feet while I was driving it sold it for almost nothing. It's the only car I actually regret selling.

Oh, and anything Tickford is worth saving by the way they sell on eBay.

MM

[TUF_302]

Hopefully my EL XR8 is the next collectable Ford lol!

[Brazen]

I honestly think cab-chassis Falcon utes will hold their value really well over the next couple of decades. Collectable, I have no idea.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I get flamed for saying this, but people can't argue it on its merrits; the simple common denominator all the early classic colectable musclecars like GT's, HO's, GTS's, XU1's etc have is Bathurst heritage.
These cars have gone uP in value well above their purchase price very quickly, in some case never fell below their new car price, by the 8-10 year mark even chargers were worth more than their new price.
This, IMO is the acid test for wider desirability or "collectability"
Apply that set of criteria to any other car since the XC cobra and A9X Torana and you have a very short list of mainly HDT commodores and maybe 351 4 spd ESP's, i cant think of another Falcon worth more than its original purchase price at the 8-10 year mark since those Falcons, infact most seem to leveled out at about 1/3 of their new price and have stayed there....

Flame away but argue on trhe basis of logic and facts, not emotive personal wishes....

Ah yes but logic and facts according to who?

Not flaming but a car does not have to have a racing pedigree to be collectible or desirable.

And there certainly isn't any golden age where they have to hit there original purchase price.

Your golden era examples are fine for what is termed collectible right now, I took the OP as being what is coming up next.

Originally Posted by ebxr8240

Maybe the "last" Aussie turbo XR6T ??

This I think is going to be very interesting. How the next falcon is formed will effect the future value of FPV without question. If it becomes a globalized boring buzz box then I can see FPV's becoming sort after; the last of an era so to speak.

[Elks]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I get flamed for saying this, but people can't argue it on its merrits; the simple common denominator all the early classic colectable musclecars like GT's, HO's, GTS's, XU1's etc have is Bathurst heritage.
These cars have gone uP in value well above their purchase price very quickly, in some case never fell below their new car price, by the 8-10 year mark even chargers were worth more than their new price.
This, IMO is the acid test for wider desirability or "collectability"
Apply that set of criteria to any other car since the XC cobra and A9X Torana and you have a very short list of mainly HDT commodores and maybe 351 4 spd ESP's, i cant think of another Falcon worth more than its original purchase price at the 8-10 year mark since those Falcons, infact most seem to leveled out at about 1/3 of their new price and have stayed there....

Flame away but argue on trhe basis of logic and facts, not emotive personal wishes....

It's OK 4Vman you can put down the fire extiguisher.

Whilst there will always be the hero cars early GT/GTHO XC Cobra. These cars were sold at a time of 10% inflation and whilst they didn't depreciate as rapidly the equivalent new one did rapidly increase in price.

Racing heritage helps but to me it's age which in turn, creates rarerity, is the factor, I drive my ZF Fairlane now and everywhere it get looks and thumbs up's and its value is rising. The car itself is nothing special, white, 302 mostly stock, but because you don't see them it has some appeal.

With people paying big dollars relatively for any chrome bumper car the next best thing will be the oldest car.

I wonder if one day I might look with awe on a restored EA spack. LOL

[bingoTE50]

Maybe series one cortinas and escorts. Rust plays havoc with them.They raced at bathurst,and the GT models are rare.Capris as well.Incomparison too the Ho's etc they are cheap and as fuel becomes more exxy maybe they will be more popular.

[GTP 044]

I hope that the price of FPV's with rare colour and option combinations eventually go up!! Haha.

[Kamshaaft]

^Where can I see pics fo yours?

[GTP 044]

Originally Posted by Kamshaaft

^Where can I see pics fo yours?

There is a few on page 66 of "Show us your GT" mate. Hope you like them.
Cheers,
Greg.

[bingoTE50]

Originally Posted by bingoTE50

Maybe series one cortinas and escorts. Rust plays havoc with them.They raced at bathurst,and the GT models are rare.Capris as well.Incomparison too the Ho's etc they are cheap and as fuel becomes more exxy maybe they will be more popular.

Oops Falcons.... :

[Falcman0o7]

TICKFORDS! Some have handbuilt windsor V8's thats stopped being produced 8 years ago after 40 odd years. Not to mention tickfords as well. Oh and the quad headlights. Not just cos i have one either!

[mrbaxr6t]

I hope tickfords dont become desirable just traded a Tickford series 2 AU XR6 for 8k (with vct) was a complete and very good example (nobody wanted to give me 7k for btw) too one of the best I have seen if it one day worth something I won't be happy boy

[motorcycles4eva]

rare and desirable.....

[browser351]

eb gt - excellent value - very underestimated vehicle
el gt - next best thing - still ugly and dearer
t series - good value - but does not have a gt badge

Graeme K

[Eb5litre]

What about the red EBSS race car? I read an article about them and it stated
that only six were ever made!
Are factory Eb-El falcons with a 5.0l, considered to be rare?
Not many of them were produced!!

[tranquilized]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I get flamed for saying this, but people can't argue it on its merrits; the simple common denominator all the early classic colectable musclecars like GT's, HO's, GTS's, XU1's etc have is Bathurst heritage.
These cars have gone uP in value well above their purchase price very quickly, in some case never fell below their new car price, by the 8-10 year mark even chargers were worth more than their new price.
This, IMO is the acid test for wider desirability or "collectability"
Apply that set of criteria to any other car since the XC cobra and A9X Torana and you have a very short list of mainly HDT commodores and maybe 351 4 spd ESP's, i cant think of another Falcon worth more than its original purchase price at the 8-10 year mark since those Falcons, infact most seem to leveled out at about 1/3 of their new price and have stayed there....

Flame away but argue on trhe basis of logic and facts, not emotive personal wishes....

This all makes sense and I agree - Bathurst heritage saw those older cars rise in value very quickly. Bathurst has little relevance to road cars these days, as they just arn't raced any more in factory form. As a result no later models have surpassed their new purchase price within that 8-10 year period. The newest Falcon worth more than its new RRP would be the XE ESP 351 4sp, but it took a while - and its only the 351's. I'm pretty sure they dropped in value and its only been in recent times they've become as valuable as they are now. I think nearly any car will eventually surpass its new purchase price given enough time - certain models will get there quicker than others.

It used to be all about racing heritage, now its more about the Halo car - the performance model. The desirability of the Phase 3 has trickled down to the entire XY range. I think that effect will see the ESP help XD/XE's, the GT's and sprint help the EB/D/F/L's, and the T series help the AU's. Whereas the XF's and EA's will struggle as they never had a proper performance variant.

[Pinkbits]

My thoughts are.
ZF/G Fairlanes try and find a complete one that has'nt been raped & pillaged for their running gear, especially K code ones. Especially now that half decent XA/B sedans are few & far between.
NL Fairlane by Tickford, a whole lot of car & great to drive. Very under rated.
Any T series. After recently buying a T3 i am so impressed with them i bought a T2 as well. Great cars to own & drive, and if they increase in value over time then that is just an added bonus.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Pinkbits

My thoughts are.
ZF/G Fairlanes try and find a complete one that has'nt been raped & pillaged for their running gear, especially K code ones. Especially now that half decent XA/B sedans are few & far between.
NL Fairlane by Tickford, a whole lot of car & great to drive. Very under rated.
Any T series. After recently buying a T3 i am so impressed with them i bought a T2 as well. Great cars to own & drive, and if they increase in value over time then that is just an added bonus.

Thats exactly how i feel

[FPV+fteT3]

Looking back most sought after cars are the high performance variant of each model made and in some cases the standout hero car within that model.
Examples that spring to mind besides old school GT's, cobras,esp, mini cooper S, SS camero , 69-70 Boss mustang,the best of the bunch but there are lesser models of all these cars that are worth quite a bit of coin so to use that model with more current cars your XR range should be worth something in the future but the T series or GT badged cars will command the premium. Special models or hero cars within that group will be the ones to have.

Not too many showroom cars race nowdays or in the last 20 years so I personally think race heritage will not be so important as street cred is to the next generation when choosing a hero car. All it takes for a car to become valuable is more people wanting them than cars available prices go up dragging along the values of the lesser makes easy eaxamples are XYGS, fairmont and K codes riding on the coat tails of the GT and HO.

[imugli]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

ED XR8 Sprint is what I'm betting on.

Me too. Or the original Tickford Fairlane.

[ebxr8240]

Seems well done copies, Foose type are getting good prices at U.S auctions also..
not necessary copies just well put together muscle cars...
Retrofitted with latter or stronger blocks,trans, brakes etc..

[4117kev]

If ford stop making the falcon and replace it with the Taurus any GT will be worth money.

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Being "rare" or having a low build number doesn't automatically mean it will broadly appeal to people as a "collectible"...

unless it's on ebay :togo:

[BIGJB]

Originally Posted by glavas

and if i am wrong the xr6t will become the new vl turbo!!!!!!

What do ya mean will..... they already are.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by FPV+fteT3

Not too many showroom cars race nowdays or in the last 20 years so I personally think race heritage will not be so important as street cred is to the next generation when choosing a hero car. All it takes for a car to become valuable is more people wanting them than cars available prices go up dragging along the values of the lesser makes easy eaxamples are XYGS, fairmont and K codes riding on the coat tails of the GT and HO.

Yes I agree..
Funnily enough though nothing in the past 20 years has appreciated in market value either.. just a co-incidence? or because of a lack of historic/homologation significance?
The early indicators that they were going to be popular for collectors were there for the early GT's and HO's, those indicators just aren't there for the post GT era performance vehicles..

[Is Vic there]

Force 6 and the Force 8 with the 302 (I think) in it.
Saying that I know nothing..................!

[bingoTE50]

Sundowner manual v8 panel vans..I would have one.