Can Holden do anything wrong - Page 3

anto · 04-06-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

Wheres the socialism?
Dont see it.
8 years of near fascism was a roaring sucess in america wasnt it. lol

you dont see it ? good lord man, then you need to start paying some more attention to whats happening around you.

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greenfoam · 04-06-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TUF_302

Hummer is chinese? this might affect sales!

The Chinese have been building a fake Hummer for a while, at least now they can make the real thing

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...ad.php?t=39499

GTENVY · 04-06-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by greenfoam

No Holden/Commodore forums are anywhere is near as one sided as the Ford forums. I'm not sure why Ford fans get so crazy and fanatical about a brand of car. I guess it just goes like that after some years of being the underdog. The difference between the two fan bases is very noticable that's for sure.Almost any Holden guy will tell you a BA/F are better than the VT/X/Y/Z Commodores and the VE and FG are about the same, want a V8 get a Holden, want a 6, get a Ford. but get on the Ford forums, All Holdens are crap, why does anyone buy a Commodore when they are :P etc etc. The truth is, if you wanted a Mazda 3, both the Falcon and the Commodore will be crap as they are so similar they end up being the same thing to most people. There would be lucky to be 5% difference between them in any area so saying one is no good and the other is Genius is a bit short sighted :P

Been on LS1.com lately???

flappist · 04-06-2009, 05:19 PM

There are some very upset bitter and twisted replies in this thread.

Can holden do anything wrong?

Well apart from starfire, sunbird, tigra, calibra and various failed commodore models such as coupe4, XUV, W427, 427 monaro, gts coupe etc etc. they are in a terrible financial position.

They have their PR machine running at full tilt assuring the true believers that all is well and their faith is not wasted.

If you are a true believer then your hero can do no wrong. Nazis love Hitler, Liberals love Howard, Laborites love Kev, Fordists love AUs, EAs and even lasers.

The true believers and their counterparts, the true disparagers are always the most vocal in any arena, sniping at each other on every occaision.

As far as quality of product, manufacturer, dealer or whatever ALL sides have good and bad tales to tell.

Mcdonalds outsells Subway by an enormous quotient. Does this make Mcdonalds a better product or does it say more about the average fast food buyer...........
And further to this, if you are a Macca fan and a Subway fan lambasts you for eating that (well technically is IS food) do you accept their word and eat Subway or do you recite "two all beef patties......." like a good little blob, cast aspersions on subway eaters on maccaforums.com and read subwayforums.com just to get outraged....

GT69 · 04-06-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

maccaforums.com and read subwayforums.com just to get outraged....

There's Subway forums......? Hang on, I've got some macca's flaming to do

jabba · 04-06-2009, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GTP290

I agree whole heartidly, the manager at my work is excited about getting a Holden Cruze as his next company car, he said he couldnt care less about GMs financial state, just aslong as he gets his new Holden car, hes happy!

Excited about a Cruze..

Your boss is a poofter...

Wally · 04-06-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EgoFG

........... I am guessing by this you are claiming that holden fans, on holden forums do not bag Fords as much as Ford fans bag holdens.

Sorry to disagree, I follow LS1 (have done for over a year), and even contribute - My observations certainly do not agree with yours.

GMI is more civil, but that is not a holden or commodore forum.

Reading that, I just had to see how LS1 forums bag Ford. Pagninating through the "Tar Pit", I couldn't readily find any derogatory threads about Ford and the members seem to be able to air their views quite freely. As a visitor it seemed they are quite comfortable in their skin ... can you link us to some?

VSSII · 04-06-2009, 06:45 PM

Holden fans have a number of websites they can visit. It appears to me most of the idiots are shunned from LS1 and sent to the likes of commodoreforums. When I visited LS1 it was refreshing to see people complementing vehicles other than those with a red lion on them. That just doesn't happen here. And whilst I haven't been to a Holden site for a very very long time they all seemed to get a lot of posts.

Ford seem to only have the one decent website that generates regular posting.. this one. For that reason you have to wade through the 17yo keyboard warriors (Holden sux etc etc, how many cars have you owned, got booked will I lose my licence? etc we all know them) to get to the meaty topics.

**buggerlugs** · 04-06-2009, 06:56 PM

http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/bl...n_or_just_con/
Apparantley they can do wrong...............an article from our friends at carsguide ....

R-Design · 04-06-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by buggerlugs

http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/bl...n_or_just_con/
Apparantley they can do wrong...............an article from our friends at carsguide ....

The article raises a fair point. Too bad it's buried on the site, home page article is "GM Bankruptcy No Threat to Holden".

mik · 04-06-2009, 07:20 PM

good post, Flappist for pm

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GregXR6T · 04-06-2009, 07:21 PM

Yeah Holden can do wrong same as Ford.
Sounds like i can not post here because me personal choice is that all Earlie Holden models from the 48-215 to the VZ are better then anything what Ford had to offer.
But i think the FG is way better then a VE!!!
So what forum do i belong to?

schnoods · 04-06-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

There are some very upset bitter and twisted replies in this thread.

Can holden do anything wrong?

Well apart from starfire, sunbird, tigra, calibra and various failed commodore models such as coupe4, XUV, W427, 427 monaro, gts coupe etc etc. they are in a terrible financial position.

They have their PR machine running at full tilt assuring the true believers that all is well and their faith is not wasted.

If you are a true believer then your hero can do no wrong. Nazis love Hitler, Liberals love Howard, Laborites love Kev, Fordists love AUs, EAs and even lasers.

The true believers and their counterparts, the true disparagers are always the most vocal in any arena, sniping at each other on every occaision.

As far as quality of product, manufacturer, dealer or whatever ALL sides have good and bad tales to tell.

Mcdonalds outsells Subway by an enormous quotient. Does this make Mcdonalds a better product or does it say more about the average fast food buyer...........
And further to this, if you are a Macca fan and a Subway fan lambasts you for eating that (well technically is IS food) do you accept their word and eat Subway or do you recite "two all beef patties......." like a good little blob, cast aspersions on subway eaters on maccaforums.com and read subwayforums.com just to get outraged....

All you needed to mention was the Camira and you woulda had the Grand slam!

Also im particularly hungry, i might go and get a Big Mac filled footlong.

ea90gl · 04-06-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by buggerlugs

http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/bl...n_or_just_con/
Apparantley they can do wrong...............an article from our friends at carsguide ....

did I just feel hell freeze over?? If only people realised all that was in the article

TERMINATOR X · 04-06-2009, 08:43 PM

I love this topic. So entertaining! No one's happy with anyone's post!

geckoGT · 04-06-2009, 08:44 PM

What do you want Holden PR to do?

"Hey I am really sorry, our cars are crap, our parent company is going bust and we don't want to build cars anymore so don't buy them"

That would be a good way to rescue a company that employs thousands of aussies.

Personally, good luck to them, I hope they make it through this with GM as well. We all know the one thing the world does not need is the increase in unemployment the loss of a corporation as large as GM would cause. We would all feel it.

stockel · 04-06-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TERMINATOR X

I love this topic. So entertaining! No one's happy with anyone's post!

I'm sorry but you are wrong....

I am happy with yours....

Thought I was going to validate your statement didn't you

Windsor220 · 04-06-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GTENVY

Been on LS1.com lately???

Thats what I was thinking. Im a regular but only post in neutral threads. There is some serious one-eyed people over there. And a lot more is allowed there too.

I actually find this forum reasonable apart from the odd fanboy.

TERMINATOR X · 04-06-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by stockel

I'm sorry but you are wrong....

I am happy with yours....

Thought I was going to validate your statement didn't you

yep! :hihi:

Joshvee · 04-06-2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ltd

Yes, Holden is owned by GM.
But, as an asset of GM it will be liquidated to help pay its parents debts to secured creditors.
It is not its own entity, it still has to be sold off.

This is an excerpt from an article titled GM bankruptcy no threat to Holden....
"GM has clearly stated that all of its businesses in the Asia Pacific region, and that includes Holden, continue normal operations and are not directly impacted by this process in the US. No operations outside the US are included in the court filing or court supervised process.

"Holden is a subsidiary of GM but we are a corporate entity in our own right, an independent company under Australian law."

Heres the link: http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/ne...eat_to_holden/

Jeddak · 04-06-2009, 10:07 PM

Ask any cabbi which car they would have ,and why, (given that an increasing number seem to be buying Toyota though not all are happy either especially with Prius( no power))

In conversations with cabbies in Sydney,Brisbane and Hobart,all have said that they would rather holden (more power,more economy,this is mainly vz mind you) however they buy ford because the Falcon is and has always been more reliable Even the much lamented EA and AU got the nod over the equivalent Holden

Its all a case of down time ,a professional car cannot have excess downtime except for servicing and routine things like tyres,the commodore just does not cop cab work the same as the Falcon,
In the private market however this is not so much a concern so power and economy wins the day, ( We though had owned an EA,for 10 years and now the car listed below,so I suppose i am biased too ???)

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chief · 04-06-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tapeworm

Some squid on here has a quote 'Perception is harder to break than an atom' Albert Eintein.

I really think Holden's 'Ozzy meat pie thing - all aussie battler' image is behind it's run of luck with the OZ public..No other car maker could sell the Sth Korean gear against superior comp. with such success I reckon. The media treat them real well.. other brands would be absolutely deep fried under the same circumstances I reckon, I kinda wonder why though.

That would be my signature. Albert is one of my idols.

I do agree with you about Holden selling an inferior product with better success than its competition, ie Ford ho do have a better product on the market.

Windsor220 · 04-06-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeddak

so power and economy wins the day

You have seen power and economy figures over the last 10 years havent you?.......

GT69 · 04-06-2009, 10:45 PM

LOL @ 6.2Litre 317kw versus 5.4Litre @ 315kw

Joe5619 · 04-06-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshvee

This is an excerpt from an article titled GM bankruptcy no threat to Holden....
"GM has clearly stated that all of its businesses in the Asia Pacific region, and that includes Holden, continue normal operations and are not directly impacted by this process in the US. No operations outside the US are included in the court filing or court supervised process.

"Holden is a subsidiary of GM but we are a corporate entity in our own right, an independent company under Australian law."

Heres the link: http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/ne...eat_to_holden/

I cant remember where I read, but that comment has already been proven to be a COMPLETE LIE!! There is somewhere listing all the companies that are part of Ch11 & there are Asia companies involved.. No mention of Holden.

zoomie · 04-06-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshvee

wow i stand corrected. And this has to be true coz it was written buy "Drive" who obviously (as do your relatives who work at Holden) have access to Holdens Profits and losses Ledger before it has to hand over bucketloads of its profits to GM.

Ok enough fun. My point is, stop reacting like this is kindy. Neea neea holden suck. etc. because all were doing is making Ford "fans" look childish.

And god knows, thats Holden fans specialty

My relative is one of the company accountants, so yes he gets to see the balance sheets, they dont talk figures (due to confidentality clause) but have said that there has been no "profit" made since 2004 and that yes 2008 FY was close to a break even year.

Also to answer another question, i was actually looking at buying a new VE SSV earlier this year but decided to go with the G6ET instead as i liked the turbo 6 and ZF box more than the chev V8 but after the issues ive had with my G6ET maybe i shouldve bought the commodore instead.... Im not a complete one sided ford fan, hell i had a MPS3 mazda (and a SP23 mazda) before i bought the falcon and also a VRX magna and before that a twin turbo subaru and 2 lasers.

tapeworm · 04-06-2009, 11:19 PM

lol @ the taxi post

jphanna · 04-06-2009, 11:32 PM

tapeworm i was gonna put my 2 cents worth but your avatar put me off, so i lost it...how can anyone concentrate when you have that gorrilla face looking at you?

ltd · 05-06-2009, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshvee

This is an excerpt from an article titled GM bankruptcy no threat to Holden....
"GM has clearly stated that all of its businesses in the Asia Pacific region, and that includes Holden, continue normal operations and are not directly impacted by this process in the US. No operations outside the US are included in the court filing or court supervised process.

"Holden is a subsidiary of GM but we are a corporate entity in our own right, an independent company under Australian law."

Heres the link: http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/ne...eat_to_holden/

Again you are right, but I think it may be a little posturing on Holdens part. Just like GM Europe, Hummer, Saturn etc Holden is an asset of GM. GM has just filed for bankruptcy. Under corporations law when a firm files for bankruptcy and is liquidated all assets are liquidated to pay secured creditors. What this means is, that GM will have to sell Holden to someone and use the proceeds of that sale to pay some of their debts. I just don't know how a company whose parents are bankrupted can continue on as though nothing has happened and remain in GM ownership whilst those owed money by GM will be paid by a liquidation. Basically, all the assets of GM have to be sold off, and maybe re-acquired later. Now, to become insolvent GM's debts have to be higher than their net worth (including all assets/liabilities). Holden will have to be sold to someone; anyone in order for the liquidation to be finalised before they can regroup and commence trading as the new GM.

ltd · 05-06-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by zoomie

My relative is one of the company accountants, so yes he gets to see the balance sheets, they dont talk figures (due to confidentality clause) but have said that there has been no "profit" made since 2004 and that yes 2008 FY was close to a break even year.

Also to answer another question, i was actually looking at buying a new VE SSV earlier this year but decided to go with the G6ET instead as i liked the turbo 6 and ZF box more than the chev V8 but after the issues ive had with my G6ET maybe i shouldve bought the commodore instead.... Im not a complete one sided ford fan, hell i had a MPS3 mazda (and a SP23 mazda) before i bought the falcon and also a VRX magna and before that a twin turbo subaru and 2 lasers.

What problems have you had with your G6E-T?