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fire up young son! like i tried to explain before, who in their right mind buys an aurion for out and out performance?? you know, quoting numbers that come from the factory(not from you and your mate at WSID or heefcut) doesnt "prove" any argument you may have to make. if you go down to a drag strip, flog an aurion and flog a VE 3.6, any number of factors could make the aurion a faster car, or the VE, or the whatever else is there racing at the time. as for the 3.6 being the best n/a 6 around at present? defend yourself boy! this is a ford forum where the ford 6 is pretty much a God, and has already proven itself agaisnt its competitors. please don't for the love of god quote wheels or motor or anything, to prove a 3.6 "beats" it. having a few kw(paper kw) more than the falcon and some qtr mile times 2/10ths of a second faster don't make me want to jump into an SV6 and go hunting falcons.
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But falls behind abit on claimed 'ADR figures', you would be lucky to see the difference in the real world anyway. I'm sorry, but in most aspects, when talking about performance the SV6 leaves the SX6 for dead. And as i said before, this is with a downtuned motor, 230kw, and close to 380nm of torque is what the camaro 3.6l is pushing. Give me an FG over both of them though. |
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I agree with what your saying otherwise, but factory figures is all I have at the moment, true that alot of aspects can influence a 1/4 mile time, you get freaks and lemons from every car brand. |
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Kezzer, look up lexus is350 and then get back to me if you want to argue about performance figures of the DI alloytec vs the DI 3.5V6 ;).
and Kez to be OT, the OP has an ATX not a SX6 so to compare apples with apples, omega vs ATX. 200kw > 190kw 336nm > 290nm end result, one understeers into the first tree and the other one as as much forward momentum as a pullback and release car from a 90's toy collection.
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The omega competes more with the camry 4 pots, as they are both fleet orientated, the 3.0l wasn't made as a performance 6, and by all reports its a piece of ********, so not really concerned with that motor. EDIT: looked it up, it has the same specs basically as the DI alloytec in the camaro's. Just more expensive I would say. Last edited by kezzer; 16-02-2010 at 07:53 PM. |
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Wheels new car guide Feb 2010 Aurion- 0-100 = 6.8, 400m = 14.8 Commodore Omega- 0-100 = 8.7, 400m = 16.4 Commodore SV6 not listed Falcon XT-0-100 = 7.3, 400m = 15.3 Falcon XR6- 0-100 = 7.5, 400m = 15.4 Top Gear Australia January 2010 Aurion- 0-100 = 7.4 Commodore Omega- not listed Commodore SV6 not listed Falcon XT-not listed Falcon XR6- not listed Motor Feb 2010 Aurion- 0-100 = 6.8, 400m = 14.8 Commodore Omega- not listed Commodore SV6- 0-100 = 6.4, 400m = 14.6 Falcon XT- not listed Falcon XR6- 0-100 = 6.8, 400m = 14.9 These were all auto as this is the most common trans in this market, they all have that option and it allows good comparison. The Aurion was the base spec, which is why I included base spec of the others, the volume sellers of this market. Seems to me you should be checking your sources. All you have proved is magazines are crap for comparison figures. I would go with a timed result from the 1/4 over magazine figures. As a good comparison, UNR8D got a 14.6 @ Willowbank in a Aurion, my BA XR8 auto stock with 40,000km on it got 14.5 at the same track. That Aurion is no slouch. It seems to me that the aurion, despite being FWD, is not slow in acceleration and easily competitive with the others.
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$39,990 RRP omega $35,990 RRP ATX ERRR NO.
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anyway, my comparison was the 3.6l against the 3.5l, you said no way in hell the commodore would have the better engine, in which case, you are wrong, the VE wieghs more, but from what ive seen, beats the aurion. The alloytec in the aurion with rwd would be a weapon, or the VE wieghing 100-200kg less would also be a weapon. |
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err yes your wrong?...
do you just pick and choose your argument's? and change them half way through so you can try and confuse who ever it is into just giving up?. ATX competes with XT and Omega, RRP is cheaper on the ATX than the omega, so your WRONG in saying it competes with the 4 pot Camry's. OP has an ATX, and compared the omega the ATX owns it in every way but ADR claimed fuel consumption... do you just like digging holes kezzer? or do you just like arguing for the sake of it no matter how wrong you are?
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And im not comparing it to the calais anyway, but if I was, give me the V8 anyday. |
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so basically the same motor. The lexus would be more refined, and probably put the power down alot better. Quote:
Anyway, ill leave it there, before I get banned lol, I dont mind the aurion, I just would never buy one. Sorry if I wasn't clear in some of my posts. |
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I'm not baiting, I'm stating a fact, of which Ive stated alot of here in comparison to your ..... i dont even know what your trying to argue anymore... stock vs stock atx vs omega which is what the OP HAS the aurion has the better drivetrain package. and the world is still round so im right ![]()
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The 3.0l is meant to be good on fuel and thats it. I don't like it at all, but can understand why some people might buy it. Even if I think its a pos. |
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^^ what he said.
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Sorry did not realize sx6 was sportivo, however they do run different chips & wheel sizes, can make quite a difference. Last edited by cosmo20btt; 16-02-2010 at 08:33 PM. |
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Edit: should have read ahead.
I'm going to hold my toungue on this subject from now on, as it's too big a can of worms for me to join in.
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EDIT: fair enough iggy
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The mrs has one as her company car.
I like it for its easy nature. It ain't gonna win a slalom, but it's pretty impressive as a daily. Fwiw, they lifted the donk and auto from their cousins at Lexus. It's a smooooth package. |
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What a tiring read...
I would love to try the new Lotus Evora with the Aurion V6 + manual tranny + RWD.
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I have had a few Aurion's as hire car's, one of them was the sport version,
I found them all to be very nice vehicles to drive, the engine is nice and torqey for what it is, steering direct and sharp, the only thing I didn't like was the front wheel drive but apart from that all round not a bad drive. |
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most confusing thread ever what the hell are you guys comparing to what again? I lost track somewhere
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LOL i tried and failed to bring it back OT in the last couple of threads but yea... sorry for the OT rants earlier, wasn't intended...
wait, I lie.. I don't like loosing arguments ;)
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On comparing the SX6 and SV6, you'd still make a good argument for the SX6. That being the only problem is it's a front wheel drive.
Advantages: $3300 cheaper on RRP Tare mass is a little lighter 9.9l/100km (versus 10.1 - though I bet the Aurion does a better job of achieving its quoted figure than the GM) 6 stack CD player standard Full size spare Climate control aircon iPod/USB jacks Reverse camera $130/3yr/60,000km capped servicing... And not to mention, I will sell you one well under 40k too :P
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