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Hey King Nothing,
A lot of thinking behind your post. Just to pick you up on one point, the new car is not a F150, but another car with a 2.4l engine. (thus the 26mpg economy over the F150). I looked up the 2010 F150..... and guess what. Economy of... wait for it.... 15mpg (city) and 21mpg (hwy). http://www.fordvehicles.com/trucks/f150/ Cheers, Jason |
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He has, the Knack..
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I will say though, that steelmaking is a very CO2-intensive industry. Without looking at the figures, I still feel that it would offset itself. I would be happy to be proved wrong though.
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i miss my xb's and love my el(now 3 years older then the yank effie!!),but we can either have cheap new cars, or cars that will run, efficiently and with minimal maintanence, for 30 years: both pretty much impossible for standard combustion engine technology. so pick one.. or buy 2 of every car: one to drive and one to save for pristine parts! sticking a gt in the garage for 30 years is one thing, but who can tell what model of what car is gunna be really popular in the future?? put me down for 2 hyundai exels, please!! |
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It's a complex issue, no doubt.
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But in the US, with its higher proportion of nuclear energy, it has a lower emissions factor (Australia is ~0.8 tonnes CO2/MWh, USA is ~ 0.58), so it's remelting cost is lower than processing new steel.
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Good "emissions intensity" post, King Nothing!
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I am not a conspiracy theorist (in fact I think sometimes they can be outright bloody dangerous) and I do believe that man walked on the moon, but I believe everything from climate change to cash for clunkers is a polite way for Gov to tell us that there is just not enough oil to go around anymore without actually spreading fear through the camp. If they can get us to change our habits before it is too late by cash for clunkers schemes lower speed limits and carbon trading schemes and goodness what else they can and will through at us in the future, then it will be easier for us (and Governments) to make what maybe a very necessary transition over the next 50-100 years, without the total collapse of modern society. Sorry for being too off topic. Bud Bud. |
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BUD BUD
That s right - they want us to change our habits. All these blokes writing on here that by getting rid of clunkers it will be worse for the economy as they will waste energy making new cars blah blah whinge whinge, is ill informed. What has happened that these cars are being replaced before their time, but they were none the less going to have to be replaced eventually so all that electricity would be used up anyhow - it just a matter of when. In the meantime they have cleaner vehicles and are preserving oil stocks by using less of it in the new Non Clunkers! Last edited by Carby; 17-09-2009 at 12:29 PM. Reason: spelling |
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One point though, this is already happening to a degree here although not via a advertised scheme. Looking through 4sale ads here in Adelaide and the numbers of 80's-90's used cars for sale is steeply on the decline. Took a mate looking for a 90's Falcon last week and had 2 caryards tell us any cars traded from that era still in reasonably ok cond. are being sent up to NT and sold off for twice their local value, to the indigenous. These cars very rarely last long. Drove past another yard and waiting out the back was a banged up VL with a note on the windscreen for the transport mob with delivery details to Alice springs. They made hundreds of thousands of these era cars, and a hell of a lot of Eastern states cars came over to SA during the late 90's as values were higher here, yet their numbers are in fast decline. I can see a time soon when the oldest 'daily' will be sub 10yr/250k. Conveniently this too will stimulate the manufacturing industry |
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Conveniently this too will stimulate the manufacturing industry[/QUOTE]
hence the tradies investment allowance or whatever it is called the govt currently doing on new comercials...50% price rebate on next tax return.. stimulus for economy, car industry(which really is in trouble apparently), green lobby...it is happening here, just a bit quieter.. |
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think if it happained on a large scale though.. for every australian manufacturing job you save there would be several mechanics/parts sales/auto dismantlers effectively out of a job because 'older' cars would no longer be worth fixing.
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Pity they have to go to such lengths to take an older car off the road. Don't really see the point in totally ruining it, but there we go.
One man's rubbish is another man's treasure...
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