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To contrast that, when I was on the tools in the north west. I would often take a road train on road test for diagnosis or final check after major work was carried, out on a near daily basis. Ideally up around the speed limit. Only problem in the cooler months was being stuck behind the above mentioned **** scared traveller in their over loaded Thai special hooking along at 80kmh. ![]() |
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A lot of the Thai utes are just not a good fit for the Australian market. Diesel engines too gutless with crappy towing economy and mediocre long distance comfort and handling
I think there’s a place half way between the Thai utes and US pickups. A nice size wth a decent V8 petrol and V6 diesel, 4 wheel disc brakes and a non-tinfoil chassis/body but not as big as the US pickups |
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I think the Triton has a small window that opens in the back as an option? With a canopy, you have the practicality, almost, of a wagon. Or, you could just get a RAM and the tray is of sufficient size while all the seating is ample, while it is powerful and comfortable, while it tows well. Here's my pet theory: to win the auto market in Australia, you don't need to win Bathurst, you need to win the bush. Landcruiser did this. The only thing out there that could give the Cruisers a run for their money in the bush, is these things. But it will need long term dedication to servicing and reliability as well. Win the bush, win the country.
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Another pet theory:
The wagon became the SUV (and got the clearance of an FB/EK Holden wagon again). The sedan became the... dual cab ute. It's a 3 box shape with bonnet, 4 door cabin, and boot. So, the Aussie V8 sedan buyers, the model everyone aspires to, will become V8 dual cab ute buyers.
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A good Oz review of the Ram 2500.
Love the trick Ramboxes. https://magazine.rvdaily.com.au/en_U..._-_part_1.html |
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Unless this whole US pickup thing kicks off properly then ford will be forced to give Australia what it wants. As for people saying coils reduce carrying and towing capacity, that’s fine by me. A Ute would be handy for me but I don’t need to carry heavy weight or tow big loads. I look at the number of utes in my work car park. I know half these people don’t throw 1000kgs in the tray or tow 3500kgs. I’m surprised that the Navara is the only Ute sold in Australia with coils in the rear. Especially since utes seem to be the new default family car. I actually drove a Ute for the first time today in several months. I forgot how rough the leaf suspension is with no weight on the back. Last edited by Ben73; 31-12-2019 at 01:43 PM. |
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For those who just want a ute, they can get a ute, those who need 4x4 can get one in 4x4, those who don't can get a 4x2 hi rise for clearance and for those who need all of that plus tow a big float or van, a RAM. Aren't we blessed. |
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My guess is the 1500 mid year figure is not total sales but 2019 ytd sales. This would also suggest that contrary to popular belief, demand isn't suddenly sky rocketing. Second half of the year has matched the first with close to 3000 sales for the year. A good effort but less than a tenth of the sales of ranger or hilux etc. While tall poppy syndrome fuels people to rubbish the market leaders, RAM will never be more than a niche vehicle. If you need to tow something heavy without modifying the vehicle or driving a behemoth your best option (which pains me to say) is probably the 79 series cruiser. 2.3t rear axle load limit. 600kg higher than ram1500. Otherwise spend up and get a merc G wagon. Also, 6000+ people a month (hilux + ranger) prove that engine size isn't the concern many make it out to be on here. It's just a non issue. Amorok offered a bigger option and how's that working out for them?
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And?
So do heavy vehicles...
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They aren't saying they've built 5000 this year, its the 5000th RAM built in Australia since they began in 2015 with the 2500 and 3500, the 1500 by mid year is 1500 RAM 1500's built by Walkinshaw.
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Amarok are selling all they can get and are doing quite well considering that buy in is 42k and how to 75k. They only offer a dual cab and they don’t offer a factory cab chassis On the amarok point in the last 2 years through company cars I have had 3 rangers, a Colorado, a dmax, a amarok 4cl and now a July built hilux. The only one I would buy is the amarok. Second place is the ranger then the rest can fight it out for me catching the bus to work with arm full of tools |
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Except Euro prime movers like Scania, Iveco, Volvo etc.
Even the newer trailers have discs You know why the passenger vehicle market moved away from drums decades ago? Because they suck compared to discs. They're only used on micro segment cars to save costs and on Thailand specials because they're cheap junk. By your methodology I look forward to seeing the new GT500 Mustang with a Holley 750 XP and a C4. Maybe even place a pre-order with your Nokia phone. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 31-12-2019 at 03:47 PM. |
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I don’t know whether to describe the situation as confirmation bias or Stockholm Syndrome. I’m leaning to the latter given the garbage offered by the vehicle companies in Australia. There’s no good reason why the consumer isn’t able to walk into a Ford dealership in Oz and purchase a F Truck with all the bells and whistles available. Instead, we’re sold this Taiwanese plastic junk designed in Oz, built overseas in 3rd world countries and pay 1st world rates for it. No wonder companies like Ford and Government Motors is on the nose.
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It would be good if Ford US just shut down Ford Oz and engaged an importing agent to import Ford US vehicles here. Engage another company to do the RHD conversions. Consumers can then buy pretty much what ever Ford US has on offer rather than the current crop of garbage.
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Never been there, but the Thai tourists I have met at work have been the most beautiful, gentle people to talk to. Perhaps a reason to thank the Portugese for providing cannons to the King of Siam when faced with the spread of Islam all those centuries ago. I get into the Buddhist aspect of it all as well. Siamese cats are cool too ![]()
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Also makes you appreciate how advanced the Aussie utes were before the industry got canned. I was always peeved that if you manufacture here it has to be 5 star safety, but if you import it can be 3 star. So the Aussie stuff got the full safety, the big disks, better suspensions (Falcon had leaves to the end), monocoque bodies. The RTV was a step in the right direction.
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Yanks are flat chat with f series production just supplying north america. They don’t give 2 ****s about selling a couple thousand a year in australia. Complete woftam for them. |
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I'm sure FOA could partner up with someone like Premcar to do the conversion locally to an OE standard.
Problem is it's counter productive for Ford Australia to have F series within reasonable price range of the highly profitable Ranger - they'd end up cannibalising Ranger sales shooting themselves in the foot. If you want F series then you'd have to buy it through VDC realistically, they don't have economy of scale like HSV do to offer the lower pricing structure. |
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