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Hi guys just reading the thread, I drive steel trains for pasific national . Now in nsw we have predictor crossings on most main crossings ,that are set around 100meters from the crossing and are set to pedict the speed of the on coming train. Its ment to judge the speed that the locos will reach the crossing the drop the gates to stop traffic in a safe amount of time , so if the train is strugging it will not block traffic for ever. We have one at isilington that is a 15k turn out over crossing that feels like you are nearly into trafic before gates start ( prediction). Most pass trains can not proceed over a crossing if the gates are not droped completly ,giving them a proced signal just before a crossing or a low speed indication from a distance . The lights still flashing when booms are up may mean it is getting ready for a train movement. The cameras are there to help with acidents aswell involving trains and cars, people (in court who at fault ). All that crap i slept through in safe working class acualy may be useful.lol. I have had a lot of close calls with traffic at crossings with no gates mainly with people stopping haveing a think then going across rather than people ziping through when the lights start. I have been on both sides ,they can be a pain aswell. Well i have dribbled on long enough , i hope every one is still awake!!!!
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We install predictors. Here in Victoria they are set to 25 seconds warning. The crossing is closed for 7 seconds before the train arrives. Here in Australia there are issues with excessive warning time and the road authorities kick up when it takes longer than 50 seconds for the first train to arrive.Thats why predictors are good because an 80km freight train gets the same warning as a 160kmh passenger train. Idiots start to drive around the barriers after about 90 seconds. I have seen some pretty horrific videos of cars and trucks driving arround and nearly connecting with the QR tilt train because they had just had to wait 15 mins for a coal train to pass by ![]() ![]() Also had to just modify a crossing in Melbourne because people kicked up, it was opening 5 seconds after the train had passed. ![]() ![]() My view is the Police don't pay enough attention to level crossings. |
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Yea i got lost in the moment trieng to get to the point and got lost . It was for every main line through sydney to newcastle ,bathurst, junee so used once in a while . I tried to explain the flashing lights,while gates up hit by train, cameras ? Sorry guys just tried to add a few things and got carried away. Thanks jg66 ...
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I always wait until the lights stop.
It's not that hard - or long.... Those who can't wait can cop the fine IMO. |
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I've lost count on the amount of times I've seen people drive off after the train has gone passed but the boom gate still going up and the lights are still flashing. People just don't care.
I always wait till the lights go out and then proceed across. It's the LAW! I've had people behind me beep their horns or go around me but I don't care. If the lights haven't gone out.. You don't move! The same thing applies for stopping at stop signs. You're required to stop, not roll through. but that's a topic for another thread. ![]()
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i dont normally see the other crossing with the exception of parramatta rd.
in 28 yrs of going along that road i'v only see the crossing used twice. warwick farm was used more in the old day when tha race day was on, (horse/cars raceing) now removed.
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JG66ME do you know the reason why there is not the same delay for the pedestrians crossings our ones turn green instantly and the pedestrians are crossings on a green light while the boom gates are still flashing and opening.
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Once the train has passed the control function starts to open the crossing. That is providing there is not another train in the outer approach. If they are flashing lights only the will stop at that instant, as will the ped crossing. If they are booms, the road lights detect the booms vertical before they stop flashing. The ped crossing is not connected to the booms and stops flashing as soon as the control function says there is no approaching train. Thats why I said above that technically once the booms start to go up the crossing is safe to cross. However the law is written in a simplistic manner, lights flash and you don't cross. Thats because if there are no booms you just obey the lights. It would be confusing if you then said if there where booms you ignore the lights. At the end of the day, what a few seconds? Ped crossing controls are not quite the same as the road controls. People can react a lot faster than say a semi trailer fully laden. They do take into account things like the walking speed of old people though. Hope this helps. Last edited by JG66ME; 05-07-2009 at 11:11 PM. |
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I don't know if I buy the theory that it should be treated like any red light. So when they start going and your just about to cross the tracks, you should slam on your brakes to avoid going through a "red light?"
It also happens to be a flashing red light, which means under some laws, that you have to stop and yield, but may proceed when safe to do so. If the boom gates are up, and it's flashing, under that law, you may proceed if it is safe to do so. (The same thing as a stop sign - you don't have to wait until someone removes the Stop sign). In that case, the first car could claim that they stopped and it was safe to cross, but I doubt the other 3 cars could claim that, unless they stopped at the line before proceeding to cross the tracks. |
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I don't know if I buy the theory that it should be treated like any red light. So when they start going and your just about to cross the tracks, you should slam on your brakes to avoid going through a "red light?"
It also happens to be a flashing red light, which means under some laws, that you have to stop and yield, but may proceed when safe to do so. If the boom gates are up, and it's flashing, under that law, you may proceed if it is safe to do so. (The same thing as a stop sign - you don't have to wait until someone removes the Stop sign). In that case, the first car could claim that they stopped and it was safe to cross, but I doubt the other 3 cars could claim that, unless they stopped at the line before proceeding to cross the tracks. |
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I don't know if I buy the theory that it should be treated like any red light. So when they start going and your just about to cross the tracks, you should slam on your brakes to avoid going through a "red light?"
It also happens to be a flashing red light, which means under some laws, that you have to stop and yield, but may proceed when safe to do so. If the boom gates are up, and it's flashing, under that law, you may proceed if it is safe to do so. (The same thing as a stop sign - you don't have to wait until someone removes the Stop sign). In that case, the first car could claim that they stopped and it was safe to cross, but I doubt the other 3 cars could claim that, unless they stopped at the line before proceeding to cross the tracks. |
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Just make sure when the cop uses his judgement and writes you a ticket, you accept it graciously, he is just doing his job. Also make sure when the guy in front of you choses not to use judgement and prefers to follow the law, keep your hand a away from the horn. He has every right to follow the law. I do not agree with your "use my judgement" idea, it doesn't always work but you are unlikely to change ideas anyway so no point discussing. The plain and simple fact is driving through on the flashing light is illegal, regardless of the reasons. Quote:
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![]() chevypower and dom_105, you should both have your lisences canceled and your cars confiscated. Again. (for the really slow) The reason you should wait and do what the government tells yo to do, and obay the road laws, is that it is NOT your god given right to drive. You are allowed to drive as a privilege given to you buy society on the condition that you obay the law that society (government) dictates. If you choose not to obay societies laws because you think you know better (or your stupid enough to think your eye never lies) then hand in your licence, because a licence is basically an agreement that you know the road laws and agree to abide by the laws of the road and in return you are given permission to drive on the governments roads that society pays for. If you dont like it, dont live in society and dont drive on our roads.
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On Various Crossings around Vic Suburbs they have started to put traffic lights at the railway crossing lights as dumb ***'s still dont know the road rules and your not supposed to cross over railway lines until the lights stop flashing
Now what you see is the dumb ***'s run the red light on the traffic signal and run the flashing railway crossing lights because they think its go as soon as you can get past the raised boom gates - love to see some one pulled over and get done twice ![]()
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Unless the train is sitting at a platform for 3 minutes (or possibly more) after activating the boom gates. |
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I wonder how many people who don't wait would if it were an actual set of traffic lights.
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Always have and always will stop at rail crossings when the lights flash. Our main set (am in regional W.A) just had booms installed to stop idiots just cruising accross as they please even when the lights flash. Sure the train is going slow as it is coming into about 5 different sets of tracks, but DON'T assume it is safe. I must admit the other day was annoying but. I was at the set up the road with no booms, the train was moving normal so I stayed (as I always do), then as he was going past he was slowing, came to a complete stop in front of me blocking the crossing because the track had not been switched, which he got out and did. Wished I had gone through that day lol.
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