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22-02-2018, 03:21 PM | #751 | ||
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or like a 5.4 boss in a GT but the 335 should have been in the first place - oooops.
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22-02-2018, 03:35 PM | #752 | |||
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At least once a week I follow someone who is going below the limit but then decided that full throttle acceleration is needed when I try to pass them. But that's NSW for you. Wonder if they considered putting multiple engines in it. Even if they offered multiple engines in the same market. A 4cyl diesel for the posers who want to look cool or people who care about fuel economy(strange priorities for a 80k ute buyer), and a bigger engine that want something with all round performance. Quote:
Ford only care about people who will pay for their product, everything else is opinion. Also turns out in some cases as soon as you drive off the showroom floor with a brand new car Ford don't care about you either. How often do they try to get out of warranty claims? Might be a dealership problem, but still it affect the overall brand. Last edited by Ben73; 22-02-2018 at 06:01 PM. |
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22-02-2018, 05:56 PM | #754 | ||
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A Sydney thing, my PVan would have a hard time racing a Vespa at the lights.
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22-02-2018, 07:29 PM | #756 | ||
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indeed. as a trim level onF150. Have a look at post #735 - badge on quarter panel
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22-02-2018, 10:47 PM | #757 | ||
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No one is buying it for prerunning either, which is what it was designed for. So if they're going to break with the design brief to incorporate an underwhelming engine because they think people want economy, why not also allow for greater towing ability? People kinda want that too, I would have thought.
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22-02-2018, 11:16 PM | #758 | ||
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I’d have thought the most these things will tow is a couple of bikes, a jet ski or two, or maybe a boat. So towing capacity wouldn’t be a great concern.
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23-02-2018, 09:15 AM | #759 | |||
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There's two engines, about 4 or 5 trim levels, 2x4 or 4x4, low and high riding, single cab, dual cab, extra cab, various tray options and a range of payloads and towing capacities. The Ranger Raptor is one vehicle being added to that range at the recreational end. The Ranger Raptor is not a stand alone model. If someone buys that instead of one of the 10 or more work utes available without checking if it meets their needs, well that's their problem? |
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23-02-2018, 12:22 PM | #760 | |||
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For mine, I assumed (I know, I know) that it would at least have the same towing/carrying strengths as the base Rangers. It ticks just about all the other boxes for me aside from potentially the towing (and yes I do have a off-road caravan that actually goes off-road) and because of that, on the surface it's seems to be excluding a good chuck of its potential market (i.e. those that want all the bells and whistles, plus the off-road performance/looks and towing capacity). I really like the look (inside and out), plus has great features for what it is, etc. The engine I think will be a ripper mated to a 10 speed. Not a direct comparison, however the 2lt Amarok completely surprised me on how well it gets up to speed and overtakes, for what is a relatively heavy vehicle. And towing the van is no issue on or off road, with it. Whilst it isn't close to being a speed demon, it's pretty torquey! The Raptor's engine/gearbox should be a step beyond and looking forward to giving it a test drive when they are available! Anywho, can't wait till it gets closer to the release, so some of the reviews go over what it actually can and can't do in more detail. If all ok, I'll have one in white!
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23-02-2018, 01:45 PM | #761 | |||
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It will be purchased by those who want to go bush for a weekend but cover ground more quickly with more comfort than other 4WD's on the market. They will have no interest in towing a large van as there are better vehicles suited to that, but may take a couple of dirt bikes or a jetski. or they just like the look of it, and like driving across curbs at pace to get to their kids basketball game like I saw some turkey do in a Wildtrack with a Raptor grill last weekend..
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23-02-2018, 02:52 PM | #762 | ||
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Off roaders, campers and recreational users. No doubt a lot of posers as well. But so far it looks like forward orders are going gangbusters so it looks like Ford actually know more about it than some of the whingers do.
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23-02-2018, 03:21 PM | #763 | ||
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I don't think its rocket science re the target audience.
IMO this is for the first time in a long time Ford is first to market with this type of long awaited offering re dual cabs 4x4 from showroom floor. Lifestyle Industry has been booming for 10-15yrs. To date any 4x4 dual cab can be modded to be a serious or not off roader and suitable for on road, look on the roads everyday everywhere full of them. Yes there are poser's isn't that in most premium end product lines incl 2wd. How many are everyday people who like doing beach holidays AND do some light dirt track AND beach/dune driving for fun ??? I'm one of those and when on the beach there are countless people out there doing it, unless you have done this you wouldn't have a clue to say otherwise. Plenty people don't care to tow a boat or van (me) or have massive loads, I have a SR5 hilux and despite its shortfalls for fam hols loaded with bikes/boards etc its brilliant....I love doing my fam beach holidays, stay in cabins at caravan parks or units and we go on the beach everyday twice 3 times, such fun. Its such a friggin hoot - a Raptor suits me spot on But I sure would like a V6 at minimum but thats another storey. I'm just saying the target is huge and most are looking at this with blinkers on regards who would buy it but clouded by the 2.0TT decision. Bevsta, add in countless terri turkeys thinking they can do as a 4x4dual cab at football carparks as well lolllllll......
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23-02-2018, 03:53 PM | #764 | |||
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Given they’ve thankfully broken the F150R brief to bring us a better chassis/suspension set up, we get to enjoy seeing more of this country in comfort. I think the motor/gearbox is spot on. I’m happy with what they’ve done. |
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23-02-2018, 04:18 PM | #765 | ||
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Couldnt campers and recreational users get by with the Wildtrack too though?
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23-02-2018, 04:26 PM | #766 | ||
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Yes, Australia is massive, but havent all those places and many more already been conquered prior to us having one of the worlds best factory production Baja prerunners?
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23-02-2018, 05:02 PM | #767 | |||
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24-02-2018, 07:12 AM | #768 | ||
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Yes, and originally by man on foot, horse back and camel, then automobiles. It’s these automobiles that are getting better and better that I’m interested in to take me to all those places again, and more in comfort. No other vehicle will take corrugations abuse or soak up the 1000s of km of dirt roads in Oz like the raptor. Definitely don’t want to do the CSR on camels
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24-02-2018, 09:26 AM | #769 | |||
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24-02-2018, 10:37 AM | #770 | ||
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Ranger sells into something like 180 markets, so it's highly likely that all sales combined
across those markets will give Ford the volume it needs to justify development and then some.. That certain people feel that they have missed out in Australia is unfortunate but seriously, this project will actually justify Ford doing more Ranger projects in the future. A 2.3 EB would be a relatively easy add but perhaps in FX4 or Wildtrak as a point of differentiation. I think those buyers may appreciate the value of a petrol engine, for now at least. Last edited by jpd80; 24-02-2018 at 11:00 AM. |
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24-02-2018, 11:46 AM | #771 | |||
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There are many enthusiasts running FOX systems on their 4x4's and ARB brought out B-51 coil over a number of years ago https://www.arb.com.au/products/old-...pension/bp-51/ and can't enough of them due to market demand and that started at least 4yrs ago and variants prior. This is not to dis hearten Raptor but confirm Aftermarket has been into this style for yonks just long long overdue an OE finally came to market as such.
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24-02-2018, 02:59 PM | #772 | |||
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They are free to buy whatever they want. It's a much more comfortable vehicle with better seats and a nice sports steering wheel similar to the FPV's used to have. Means they can go further off the beaten track than any stock Ranger could. I'm sure a lot of Ferrari owners probably never even go WOT. Maybe you should go tell them they shouldn't buy one and would be better off in a Camry instead Last edited by Bossxr8; 24-02-2018 at 03:22 PM. |
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24-02-2018, 03:52 PM | #773 | ||
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Dead set mate - what’s its to you whether I’ve ordered one or not. What difference would it make? It’s a discussion on the Raptor.
I’ve done a full lap of Oz in a modified 84’ BJ42 shorty running 400ci V8 intercooled TD which included the Canning Stock Route. As a poser vehicle, a Raptor wouldnt have rated against this, especially when it ran a 1 metre long side pipe off the turbo . Prob one of the best shorties ever set up for long distance touring on the road and was a labour of love. Had a separate shorty I did another half lap in which included Cape York. Had a Kakadu V8 which we did the top half of Oz in with our two yr old - our two yr old also did the west coast with us in the V8 shorty. Been all over the Pilbara in a Suzuki and a 78’ shorty (BJ40 running 39’’ swampers). The Pilbara and Kimberlys would have to be the most beautiful places on the planet. We lived in NW WA for 5.5 yrs and was always out and about. Had a DMAX ute which was a fantastic vehicle too. My family loves our off-roading and camping - and yes I am very interested in one given the places we want to go and more again with our kids. Have I ordered one as yet - No. Have I worded the Mrs up - yep. 80G is a lot of money obviously, but for our lifestyle it would be more than justified and it would be used. It’s an awesome chassis/suspension platform built and designed around stock 33’s with an awesome motor/gearbox - and a ute to boot, absolute gold. |
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24-02-2018, 04:09 PM | #776 | ||
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24-02-2018, 04:11 PM | #777 | ||
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For the ones disappointed in the RR output -
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...-ar180028.html Would be a fair way off but it’s being discussed. |
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24-02-2018, 04:17 PM | #778 | ||
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24-02-2018, 04:29 PM | #779 | ||
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Raptor had better look out......
In all seriousness more competition can only be a good thing. One way to look at it, is that it is a 1st Generation Ranger Raptor. Where will it all evolve to in subsequent generations if other manufacturers start to compete?
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24-02-2018, 04:43 PM | #780 | ||
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Agreed regarding competition. The consumer will be the winner here with some great offerings from all sides over the next few years.
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