2018 Ranger Raptor - Page 23

jmack · 16-02-2018, 12:34 PM

Now they are talking about an everst raptor what next a ka raptor

chrisandsharon · 16-02-2018, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jmack

Now they are talking about an everst raptor what next a ka raptor

Talking about but probably won’t happen......
https://www.goauto.com.au/news/ford/...-13/69722.html

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chrisandsharon · 16-02-2018, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kiwimark

Has anyone seen the Chev Colorado Zx2 - who needs the super cat when you can have this.

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/wwfeatures/w...k/p02ckkpx.jpg

I’d take the raptor, this is running tiny 31’’ tyres (raptor 33’’) and still leaf rear.
The diesel is 30hp less than the raptor and is still running a 6 speed Vs the Raptors 10. Torque is the same.
I have read the 31’’ tyres don’t look right on it given they’ve lifted it 2 inches.
Still a nice bit of gear though.

roKWiz · 16-02-2018, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

I’d take the raptor, this is running tiny 31’’ tyres (raptor 33’’) and still leaf rear.
The diesel is 30hp less than the raptor and is still running a 6 speed Vs the Raptors 10. Torque is the same.
I have read the 31’’ tyres don’t look right on it given they’ve lifted it 2 inches.

Should look great driving down Nortbourne Ave, Canberra.

16-02-2018, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

Just for comparison...

Gee that's a nice looking ute but that gap between the bar and the back of the cab really bugs me for some reason.

chrisandsharon · 17-02-2018, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

Should look great driving down Nortbourne Ave, Canberra.

Fishin ay rokwiz. Awww come on, surely you can do better than that

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jmack · 17-02-2018, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by leesa

Gee that's a nice looking ute but that gap between the bar and the back of the cab really bugs me for some reason.

by the looks of it is attached to the hard top and would need the clearance to back of cabin to lift up

jmack · 17-02-2018, 10:44 AM

wow the colorado has been criticised for having tiny wheels,then for having larger brakes,would like to see the two hp/trq curves overlapped and see where they are compared to each other especialy with gbox ratios

chrisandsharon · 17-02-2018, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jmack

wow the colorado has been criticised for having tiny wheels,then for having larger brakes,would like to see the two hp/trq curves overlapped and see where they are compared to each other especialy with gbox ratios

31’s in sand/mud etc, who gives about a curve

jmack · 17-02-2018, 12:55 PM

cmon the only mud these will be seeing is at a building site etc anybody who does serious 4wheeling wont have one of these.yes there will be the odd 1 but most will be toorak tractors

roKWiz · 17-02-2018, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

Fishin ay rokwiz.

I got nothing. I've grown bored with this ute already.

bretts351 · 17-02-2018, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

Really? I went in my friend’s 6.2 Raptor, and he was rallying down a dirt road that is normally a rough ride in any car. His truck made it really smooth at high speed. My F150 XLT would have been bouncing and hopping all over the place.

Yes really. The dampers and travel help a lot vs a stock F150 chassis, but there is no denying the fact that with such huge travel, your mate is continually correcting the steering whilst the rear wheels try to steer the car....

Shedloads of fun but the Ranger one will knock its socks off

**solarite_guy** · 18-02-2018, 01:04 PM

To me, this conversation has turned very interesting.

A little side note, but bare with me. Ancient history is a hobby of mine so I watch a lot of videos covering some of the explorations going on these days. Something I have noticed, most of the vehicles used by these explorers are diesel powered moderate sized SUVs and pickups. They seem to get the job done, but I don't get a sense of confidence from watching them. I tend to think there are a lot of off camera rescue missions with winches, shoves, come-alongs, jacks, etc.

I think a Ranger Rapter with the now planned 2.0 twin turbo 4 cylinder diesel would be the perfect vehicle for these missions. I know if I was on one of these journeys I would want a Ranger Rapter.

chevypower · 18-02-2018, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bretts351

Yes really. The dampers and travel help a lot vs a stock F150 chassis, but there is no denying the fact that with such huge travel, your mate is continually correcting the steering whilst the rear wheels try to steer the car....

Shedloads of fun but the Ranger one will knock its socks off

Seemed fairly predictable from where I was sitting. A little hard to compare it with a vehicle that isn’t even available yet.

Ben73 · 18-02-2018, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

And the laughable part - it’s only 88Nm more than the 2 litre diesel. Please tell me WTF would you buy one??????

How many more kw does it have? Double, yeah not bad.
But in regards to newton metres it has only 88nm extra? Pathetic. Luckily the Ranger Raptor has 70nm more than the Triton which is one of the cheapest decent utes you can buy.
At least when you see a Triton in the Mojave desert you can speed off at 170km/h.

At least with the HSV SportsCat they aren't pretending to have a performance engine. They basically said, "the standard engine is good enough, but look at this cool stuff we added"

I wonder what Ford could have achieved if they re-worked the 3.2L 5cyl and added another turbo. Probably more than 10kws and 30nm. Not sure if it was even possible, but a whole new engine for such a small improvement seams like a lot of effort.
Before someone says "10 speed" imagine a 10 speed on a slightly bigger engine.

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Originally Posted by jmack

cmon the only mud these will be seeing is at a building site etc anybody who does serious 4wheeling wont have one of these.yes there will be the odd 1 but most will be toorak tractors

They would be lucky to see mud on a building site. Most will see the owners wet grass as they wash it on a Saturday morning.
When you go orffroading most vehicles are the base spec model of whatever 10 year old 4x4 the owner prefers.
I went off roading yesterday. The newest car I saw was near new shiny red LR Defender which had some serious off road orientated mods on it.
Everything else was a base spec 7+ year old 4x4.

Top_Ghia · 18-02-2018, 06:38 PM

It’s not an entirely new engine. They stole it from the Transit.

CyberWasp · 18-02-2018, 08:11 PM

Does that mean that this will be on the way shortly also?

Windsor220 · 18-02-2018, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

At least with the HSV SportsCat they aren't pretending to have a performance engine. They basically said, "the standard engine is good enough, but look at this cool stuff we added"
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Ford aren't pretending to have a performance engine. They've openly come out and said the car isn't about the engine.

18-02-2018, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jmack

by the looks of it is attached to the hard top and would need the clearance to back of cabin to lift up

Wow, just to make the tub even MORE useless.
Those hardtops really cripple the car's functionality in terms of what you can chuck in the back. But now this one you can't even take the hard top off and tie anything to the bars?

malazn mafia · 18-02-2018, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Does that mean that this will be on the way shortly also?

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That's next level cool. Ford have done the impossible and made a rectangle box look fast and cool.

bretts351 · 18-02-2018, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

Seemed fairly predictable from where I was sitting.

I guess the terrain was fairly consistent then. Like I said, the multilink rear in the ranger will blow the f150 leaf springs away... the head of ford performance in the usa said so himself.... not something the yanks do lightly!

chevypower · 19-02-2018, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bretts351

I guess the terrain was fairly consistent then. Like I said, the multilink rear in the ranger will blow the f150 leaf springs away... the head of ford performance in the usa said so himself.... not something the yanks do lightly!

Well, then I would say it says how great the suspension is in the Ranger Raptor. Looking forward to seeing some reviews, and also what power plant the US version gets. Maybe a future version of the F150 Raptor will get coilover shocks? I know there are some big changes coming to the North American trucks starting late next year.

chrisandsharon · 19-02-2018, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

Well, then I would say it says how great the suspension is in the Ranger Raptor. Looking forward to seeing some reviews, and also what power plant the US version gets. Maybe a future version of the F150 Raptor will get coilover shocks? I know there are some big changes coming to the North American trucks starting late next year.

Yes the 150 Raptor is getting coils at the end of the year.

Vesper Martini · 19-02-2018, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

It’s not an entirely new engine. They stole it from the Transit.

Its only just been introduced to the Transit, but has twin turbo. and a very different spec.

Id say its a new engine.

simon varley · 19-02-2018, 12:50 PM

it's based on the mondeo engine

**Polyal** · 19-02-2018, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Windsor220

Ford aren't pretending to have a performance engine. They've openly come out and said the car isn't about the engine.

Sounds familiar, FTe and AU1 and 2 T Series, oh oh but its all about the package.

In comes a 5.4 with 290kw....power/numbers are king again

Vesper Martini · 19-02-2018, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by simon varley

it's based on the mondeo engine

The way I read it, the new engine is an Ecoblue, Mondeo uses the older Duratorq.
The Transit range in Europe will be the first models to employ the new EcoBlue engines

http://www.caradvice.com.au/438106/f...ines-revealed/

Bossxr8 · 19-02-2018, 04:11 PM

Ecoblue will replace the old Duratorq's in Mondeo, Focus etc. It's an all new engine. Transit uses the low power single turbo version.

Ben73 · 19-02-2018, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Windsor220

Ford aren't pretending to have a performance engine. They've openly come out and said the car isn't about the engine.

I guess so, but they still throw the P word around all the time including in their official reveal.
Whether it's the Mondeo or the Transit 2L that has been reworked it still seams strange that they chose a pretty modest engine to tune up. Out of all of the 'One Ford' engines that exist they chose a pretty average one for the 'performance truck' which is going to be one of the most expensive Ford products outside the proper performance cars.

GTLEGEND · 19-02-2018, 06:01 PM

https://www.4x4australia.com.au/revi...opment-program

https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/feature...he-engineering