Malaysian Airways Flight 370

[ronnyBB]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

3 signals have been found....

Ok, so are these 3 signals the same signal found by 3 different receivers or 3 separate signals by 3 separate emitters??

Would a crashed plane emit 3 signals? I thought only 1 of the 2 ornage boxes sends out the signal?

Confusing...

They are saying there are beacons that emit a very similar frequency around the 30-40Hz which makes it hard to tell the difference between a black box and a beacon

[FPVS3]

Originally Posted by ronnyBB

They are saying there are beacons that emit a very similar frequency around the 30-40Hz which makes it hard to tell the difference between a black box and a beacon

The voice recorder and flight data recorder each have their own locator beacons. with a freq somewhere 'round the 37khz band.

A beacon or ELT (Emergency Locator transmitter) is a completely separate thing that transmits after an incident solely to help locate the aircraft.

The ELT automatically transmits distress signals on 121.5 MHZ, 243 MHZ,
and 406 MHZ if a high deceleration is sensed, or if the ELT switch is
positioned to ON.

Looks like the Americans have now detected something which CNN is giving a lot more credibility than any Chinese or British detection....funny that!

Anyway, hope they have found it and get this thing sorted.


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[Romulus]

It looks like a lot of lessons have been learnt from the AF447 crash. It's yet to be confirmed MH370 has been located but it looks promising so far. If indeed it has I think the SAR effort conducted by AMSA JACC is class leading.

[EgoFG]

I love a good conspiracy theory ...

Where has The haixun 01 been for the time since the disappearance - and has anything been loaded ?

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by EgoFG

I love a good conspiracy theory ...

Where has The haixun 01 been for the time since the disappearance - and has anything been loaded ?

Well it does have enough room to pick up roughly 200 'victim's

[Spudz27]

I must admit that each day that passes, I feel more and more like everyone but the public kows what is going on. I am not in to conspiracies so I won't try and spin my thoughts on how or why. But it seems that the chinese are always 1 step ahead, but in saying that why was ocean shield not sent straight away to help confirm, instead it stayed in it's own area. The other reason I think gov co's know exactly what is happening, is because everytime a "breakthrough" is announced, the radar or sattelite data is suddenly changed to coincide with the area of the breakthrough. Just my 2c

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Spudz27

I must admit that each day that passes, I feel more and more like everyone but the public kows what is going on. I am not in to conspiracies so I won't try and spin my thoughts on how or why. But it seems that the chinese are always 1 step ahead, but in saying that why was ocean shield not sent straight away to help confirm, instead it stayed in it's own area. The other reason I think gov co's know exactly what is happening, is because everytime a "breakthrough" is announced, the radar or sattelite data is suddenly changed to coincide with the area of the breakthrough. Just my 2c

Still no debris found....

Why the hell would the Malaysian minister say that 'There is still hope for survivors'???

Minister claims 'miracles happen' over MH370

Malaysia's transport minister says he believes "miracles do happen" and claims he cannot rule out that some of the passengers on board missing flight MH370 are still alive.

Hishammudin Hussein's statement came as it was revealed underwater sounds detected by a ship in the search for the missing Malaysian Airlines flight were consistent with aircraft black box pings.

"I have always said to the families miracles do happen," he told reporters in Kuala Lumpur overnight.

While the minister said satellite information did not offer any signs of life, "we continue to hope and pray for survivors ... we are just hoping against hope".

"We have been through a real rollercoaster ride on some of the leads we have received. I am more optimistic about this one," he added.

The news of underwater sounds has brought fresh hope after a month of fruitless searches.

But Angus Houston, the head of a joint agency co-ordinating the search mission, said it could be days before they can confirm if the signals picked up by the Australian navy ship are from the black boxes belonging to the Malaysian Airlines flight.

"Clearly this is a most promising lead, and probably in the search so far, it's probably the best information that we have had," Mr Houston said.

"We've got a visual indication on a screen and we've also got an audible signal — and the audible signal sounds to me just like an emergency locator beacon."

The beacons' batteries last about a month and today marks one month since the plane disappeared on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

No wonder the Chinese are saying what they are saying... they have been fed so much BS it's not funny.

[iCat]

Why was the chinese vessel searching in an area so far away from the official search area?

And yes Yellow Festiva, why would the Malaysians suggest there may still be survivors? At the bottom of the ocean?

[Franco Cozzo]

Because some of them might have had gills.

[iCat]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Because some of them might have had gills.

silly me, i didn't think of that.....

[Pepscobra]

Malaysia's Ministers are just such tools... why doesn't he just keep his mouth shut now and let the Search coordinators do their jobs.
He has no justification for saying what he is saying, unless its just his way to stay in the spotlight?

[Road_Warrior]

Media are reporting that the location the Ocean Shield picked up what could be the transponder is the same location the last satellite "handshake" was sent by the aircraft.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Pepscobra

Malaysia's Ministers are just such tools... why doesn't he just keep his mouth shut now and let the Search coordinators do their jobs.
He has no justification for saying what he is saying, unless its just his way to stay in the spotlight?

Bit like the 'Blessing in disguise' comment he apparently said a few days ago...

[alan3103]

Im of the opinionthat the reason they have found no wreckage in the ocean is that it hasnt crashed in it !!!! 300 lifejackets on a plane and none have surfaced ?? Surely something would have been found ? If i was a relative i would still be praying for a miracle untill someone actually finds a body ?

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Media are reporting that the location the Ocean Shield picked up what could be the transponder is the same location the last satellite "handshake" was sent by the aircraft.

Seriously? Wouldn't the last reported position be the first to be searched?

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by alan3103

Im of the opinionthat the reason they have found no wreckage in the ocean is that it hasnt crashed in it !!!! 300 lifejackets on a plane and none have surfaced ?? Surely something would have been found ? If i was a relative i would still be praying for a miracle untill someone actually finds a body ?

Finding a body would be slim after all this time. The critters of the sea would have been nibbling away and by now I doubt there would be much left.

The life jackets would be the inflatable ones I assume. Do those things sink or float when deflated? They would have also been locked away..

So much other stuff that should be floating around. Drink containers, sealed packs of snacks, insulation, cushions, those inflatable pillows people use, near empty carry on bags, duty free stuff, shoes, medicine containers, etc etc etc etc etc.

I'm still stumped that no debris has turned up. What, did the plane go down whole???

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

What, did the plane go down whole???

That`s one possibility. Soft landing on its belly. Fills up with water then sinks (including the empty tanks), has happened on a number of occasions. Wont implode because water is incompressible, hence why there wasnt any debris floating to the surface. But to sink to that depth and not break up is remote at best.

They have pulled planes and helicopters completely intact from deeper parts of the ocean, but they were much smaller. Point is that it`s possible.

Two tropical cyclones passed in that area over the past 4 weeks. Any debris that didnt sink, is almost certain to have sunk or be semi submerged, or 700km in any direction.

[Trump]

Could the foilers be right? Could the plane have landed in Diego Garcia? Could decoy beacons and black boxes been tossed into the ocean to keep the cluey folk in the search teams off the real trail?

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

Could the foilers be right? Could the plane have landed in Diego Garcia? Could decoy beacons and black boxes been tossed into the ocean to keep the cluey folk in the search teams off the real trail?

If you're going to have a conspiracy or do something top secret, the less people that know about the easier it will be.

How many people are on that Island?

[Trump]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

If you're going to have a conspiracy or do something top secret, the less people that know about the easier it will be.

How many people are on that Island?

Not many at all besides miliary personnel.

[XR6_661]

Found it lads.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/sc...-1226878204278

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

Not many at all besides miliary personnel.

I meant ALL people, including military, any idea?

[Trump]

Anywhere from 1000 to 5000 people:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

Anywhere from 1000 to 5000 people:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

Yep, British and US personnel, but I can't see 4,000 people from (at least) 2 countries keeping it secret.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Yep, British and US personnel, but I can't see 4,000 people from (at least) 2 countries keeping it secret.

Considering that they are almost all military, it isn't beyond the realm of possibility. It wouldn't have taken much of an effort to furlough most of the personnel before any MH370 related shenanigans went down, leaving the bare essential ground crew to "sort" it out.

Drawing a very long bow, hell yes, but considering that what we have been given so far is essentially the following:

This is it guys... Oh, Look! A satellite spotted debris! It's right here in the South China Sea. No, no, wait, wait, that was just trash. Oh look, French satellite found it!..Oh, no, no...that's was just a whale. Oh, oh, look, a patrol boat found a life vest...Nah, nope....But, but...over hear....This is it! It's in the Gulf of Thailand! Really, this time is it. See, P-8 got a photo of some debris!! Wow, they must have found it. No, no....wait, wait. It's in the Strait of Malacca. Oh, look! A chinese Y-8 found a wing! Must be! Oh, no, no....oh. But hey, yeah...Aussie P-3..ahaha...found it! A mere 5,000 miles south. This time they found it!. It's in the far, super-south Indian Ocean. Oh, no, no... Oh, wait...just jump 400 nautical miles to the west. Oh look, coast guard cutter hears a ping, it's ever on 37.5 kHz!! Must be it!!.....Oh, oh....no, no....but, but... Oh, wait, wait.....Oh, oh look over there! This time we really found it! Oh, but wait, wait...This time we know exactly where it is!

anything is possible.

[bungarra]

Considering Australian and NZ flights are still transiting through Diego Garcia to ur FOB's in the Middle East, plus not only US and UK personnel on that base, at least 50 Aussies work there.

The hangars on the island are not capable of hiding a B1 Lancer fully let alone a 777. The hangars are open door whiich allow you to see inside as they are used for maintenance. Any personnel transiting through, which regularly happens, would see a 777.

Diego Garcia is under constant surveillance by the Chinese and North Koreans due to the potential for first strike by B1 and B52 aircraft from there. You can guarantee if they could get one up on Good Ol' Uncle Sam, they would.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

anything is possible.

Possible: yes. Plausible: no!!!!

Craig H

[Silver Ghia]

One thing they should take away from this whole schmozzle is that some countries should never be allowed to take charge or be involved with airliner hunts or investigations. Far too much time was lost with incompetence.

There should be a list of designated authorities which are deemed reliable so that depending on location, circumstance etc, the most suitable is assigned to lead operations in future similar incidents.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

One thing they should take away from this whole schmozzle is that some countries should never be allowed to take charge or be involved with airliner hunts or investigations. Far too much time was lost with incompetence.

There should be a list of designated authorities which are deemed reliable so that depending on location, circumstance etc, the most suitable is assigned to lead operations in future similar incidents.

Problem is this type of event is so rare, of the 36 Million commercial passenger flights in the last 12 months globaly 1 goes missing. Very hard to make rules, set up organisations or mandate regulations to deal with all eventualities.
Plus soverign borders prevent international organisational leads in some cases, getting all governments to agree to a central investigator for such very rare cases would prove epic.

JP

[Trump]

Originally Posted by psychobimbo

Possible: yes. Plausible: no!!!!

Craig H

With the amount of at best, overt incompetence displayed, such scenarios become plausible...